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NoobNurse · June 2016

@plusten rather defend vertigo than defend duppers/hackers and dillbuyer as you doing.

Those ppl shouldnt even be unbanned at first place, they are permanently banned (i suppose you know what that means)

They already admited they was unbanned by an error and vertigo need to ban them all for obviously reasons.

Also rather see a game dying with legit ppl than being alive with full of cheaters

dravike · June 2016

@NoobNurse

LashingOut · June 2016

If you think you got banned for waiting for your non-tradable Papaya Crystal that Vertigo sends everyone in the mail for 10min of activity you are in some serious denial. I have no idea why you got banned, but I can almost guarantee than anyone claiming they got banned for multi-clienting or claiming activity rewards is full of bologna. If you transferred an account you darn well know was banned please do not cry about it getting re-banned. You are foolish for trying to play/sell/ or buy anything on a previously banned account. If one of your new non-banned account was banned and you TRULY have ZERO idea what you did to deserve it than send in a ticket like everybody else because proclaiming your innocence to a forum full of people who have been playing this game since Acclaim days is not going to get you ANYWHERE.

Xenora · June 2016

All I have to say is... THANK YOU for banning the previously banned.

NoobNurse · June 2016

@dravike shii and bb cheater

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Also agree with LashingOut, dont think anyone got banned for waiting the 10 min papaya cristal

suxfetops · June 2016

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dravike · June 2016

@NoobNurse Lel, you don't even know who i'm and you calling me cheater?
Don't hide urself saying you're a (FAIR) player dude ;)

motavia · June 2016

Wait for an official announcement? Even now after the rebans, there is no official announcement stating what the situation with these bans is.

But anyways.. apart from the refund.. another thing you might not think about is that for these old accounts banned before the transfer, there will now be no way to remove them or appeal. What about that? If youre going to keep the bans in place but not be able to do that, that sucks. And let me just say this isnt industry standard. Nexon's obsession with banning people is not industry standard. I have played other games and seen it. And just a note to anyone else playing, if you expect papaya play to be different than nexon it won't be. Because it's the same people. And honestly it's because it's the same people that this happened. If it was new people they probably wouldn't give two shits about old bans.

But like I said I just want a refund. I know Gismo has read this. So tell me. Like you said, I won't waste time submitting a ticket. But I want an answer for my question. Is there no recourse for me? You take my money, and that's it? If you wont unban fine. I just want to know if there is anything you can do for me.

Lastly, this causes other injustices too, because now some people who caught wind of the ban were able to transfer items/etc, and due to the scale of this, they will get off free. Honestly, this is just a big mess now.

NoobNurse · June 2016

@motovia gizmo said in this thread.

im not saying vertigo is 100% right, they made mistake when they let that unban error run for to long, and even though i said it' was your fault doing a recharge so fast doesn't mean i said you dont deserve a refund or anyone that wasted money in this last week.

But i still think banned account on nexon times shouldn't stay unbanned, they broke rules, many of them broke many rules (Im not talking specially about you, i dont even know why your acc was banned so it's not personal)

Anyway if you did paypal you can just recharge back if they dont refund you

ShadowAlokenLV · June 2016

Looks like [GM]s finally started to catch those unbaned sh1t players who abused account transfer option.

h2obrr · June 2016

QQ is music to my ears!!!

Thansk vertigo, you made a great shot, you let those hackers/cheaters/dupers get a taste of the new dekaron and then kick their a55e5, hahahahahah

It couldnt be better +1

PS: (to banned ppl)Learn how to handle the consequences of your acts, accept your ban, and you are welcome to start a new account and play legit!

motavia · June 2016

Making a new account and playing legit won't give me back that DKC that I purchased. And unlike Nexon, I can't even use that DKC on another game offered by papaya play.

And honestly people like Shadowaloken etc, you really need to grow up. The name calling and community in this game was always not its strong point though. Very immature community overall.

khobra2 · June 2016

@motavia maybe stfu alrdy ... Why would u charge on banned acc? Because ur none brain
Stop qq

motavia · June 2016

It wasnt a banned account when I charged to it, khobra2.

By the way, initiating a charge back is probably the worst thing I can do in the situation, either on Paypal or through bank. So even if Papaya doesn't do anything, I can't get anything. Charge back is actually what banned one of my accounts, so advising me to chargeback this charge isn't a good idea. I can't even transfer that account though, because it won't let me log in on Nexon's website. Even Nexon gave option to unban account if I paid the chargeback amount, but I never did it.

ShadowAlokenLV · June 2016

Maybe motavia grow up yourself and face the consequences. You call me an immature just because i called select few players as sh1t players and for good reason based on their action. If you where clean, you wouldn't get offended at my argumet and instead trying to defend yourself on forum you would have sent ticket.

Honestly players who haven't learned the simple basic skills to reading with understanding TOS and respect the community by playing clean are the ones who are immature. Cheating, stat manipulating to get an advantage against other players only speed up to destroy game and any purpose to compete.

And if you spent cash on previous acc, where maybe you abused transfer option, well that's highest level stupidity. And there is always a good reason why players get banned.

motavia · June 2016

Fact is Shadow, you don't know why accounts were banned. There were thousands of accounts banned for various reasons, and while I won't dispute whether the bans were deserved, that is not what I'm talking about. And you are wrong, because I know for a fact some people were banned for wrong reasons in Nexon. Most of them eventually were unbanned, but there is not always 100% correct bans. Calling people sh1t players just because they broke the TOS of a company that doesn't even own the game anymore is still kinda immature in my opinion, you seem like you have a super hatred for anyone you don't think is clean that goes far beyond normal. You just don't like it when they kill you in PVP?

I did face consequences, I am not asking for unban. Not getting my coins back is just BS, how would you like it if I took 50$ from you? If you send me 50$, I will shut up and take my business elsewhere.

I did read the TOS, I agreed to it, and after I agreed to it I was able to log into my account. The consumer should never be at fault when they spending money on your services, it is always the provider's fault if something goes wrong. No one has said yet that it's not unfair, only that I am stupid for doing it. That's fine and dandy, but what about my money? I did not abuse transfer option, nowhere on the transfer does it say if you are banned you cannot transfer. Stop saying that. Papaya has right to enforce bans however they please, but saying I abuse transfer option is not true.

Gismo said the accounts being unbanned was a mistake, so they should pay me for their mistake.

bagwiz13 · June 2016

playing dekaron in 2016 lol .wake up guys

ShadowAlokenLV · June 2016

Funny how you try to make point while defending yourself. I don't need to know the fact why account are banned. If person think his clean and didn't deserve it, then there is ticket section where people solve the issue. Coming here in forum and saying i got ban for no reason is just pathetic and dumb, since there is always a reason why player gets ban, might be for good or wrong reasons that different topic and again surely forum isn't the place to find solution. And now you gonna take the card that im mad cuz some one beat me in PVP, where you came up with that idea :D?? I love PK/PVP even if i lose i don't get mad for that.

"Gismo said the accounts being unbanned was a mistake, so they should pay me for their mistake." Haha, i would say people like you tried to outsmart and abuse the transfer system. Explain why player should transfer banned account from NEXON to Vertigo?? I would say you paid well for your own mistake and in this case [GM] only mistake was that didn't react fast enough to ban faster those account and incase their other chars if those items where moved.

kenzzo1512 · June 2016

Shandow vacation :p

motavia · June 2016

It was still a mistake, however much you like to think I was abusing. And no, not only am I the one suffering from this mistake. As I said earlier, and I know this will set you in fire since you say you hate cheater/hacker/abusers so much, that some people were able to transfer items from their banned accounts to an unbanned account, and they will be among the ones competing against legit players now. Everyone pays for this mistake, not just me. And every time Nexon does something, they find a way to screw it up somehow.

You would transfer a banned account if it was worth as much as mine was, too. Don't you understand human nature? Even if I had no chance at being unbanned, it's still a good idea to transfer just in case.

It's beating a dead horse now, so if a GM doesn't give me an answer I guess that's all I have to say now.

chumouch · June 2016

Motivate yourself to eat the right cat!

0rionsbane · June 2016

Meh Well i guess im banned on my ak agian. played him only 7 years with no hacks no dil buying etc and got banned for trading on the auction system for the hellion ring i think, still not sure gms never did clarify why i was banned and the answers i got were always different each time i asked.

I mena how much intelligence dose it take to realise a 7 year old account thats not max level or anywhere near max gear/dil is not hacking. if its been 7 years and i dont have one +9 and not even 150 you'd think it would be obvious the account is legit.

The only other thing i can think of for the ban was accepting some gear from another 7 year old account that was a frend of mine. but either way it didnt even get me a +9 and shouldent get me a ban as he was not banned at the time, he ended up selling his account and then it did recieve a ban i know this as he shared login with me for a while.

Anyway why should i be banned becasue at one point i got items or sold items to a guy who later probably after ditching his account on ebay was accused of hacking. or if he is a "known hacker" why should i be banned when nexon didnt ban the hacker before he traded with people on the auction house. i had a policy for the last 3 years to only trade on auction house or with my guild/frends of 3+ years. so i dont see how i even got this ban in the first place survived 3 companies that way very few did and many were not given any review after thier bans.

Cynnister · June 2016

If people are being banned for duped items they should look into where the items came from. Meaning, if the player bought said items from the Auction House they should NOT be banned. But, all in all, this would start to get very hard to prove or disprove because of all the ways to look at it.

If you got something from the AH how do you prove you didn't know it was a duped after you get banned?.

(If) a person wanted a duped item, one just has to put it in the AH for a set price that the other looks for.

I.E - Player1 puts item in for $9,876,543 Dil

Player2 buys it

Player2 gets banned

Player2 can state he/she knew nothing of it being a duped item but how does one prove it?.

What needs to be done is a fresh start by taking all the duped items out of the game and NOT ban anyone as of yet.

1. Eliminate all duped items

2. Set up a system check during maintenance to scan for duped items.

3. First sign of a duped item, check what account it started from, ban account.

Very crude draft here, and I could have gone into a ton more detail and i'm sure there are plenty of loop holes already with what I wrote but, you get the point.

As far as multi client, no ban hammer for that. I have one to two in shops selling while playing with my main account. I have logged in my time for Crystals, I have had them fishing overnight and blah, blah, blah all with no issues.

Now, in the past YES, Acclaim, GameHi, and Nexon have banned people for no reason. But, they were later taken care of and unbanned. I was one of these people back in the day. Does it suck, yes, yes it does. But blowing up forum pages and not taking the time to send in a ticket because people want to play the blame game isn't right either. If you don't take the necessary steps to try and correct the issue than you shouldn't QQ about it all over the forums. ( Just my opinion NOT trying to start a flame thread here)

As for the people that were banned from Nexon I don't get why they would UN-ban the account now. That just wouldn't make sense lol. And, if they did, just to turn around and RE-ban them....I say.. GOOD JOB! hahaha.

NZX005 · June 2016

These banned accounts and duped items wouldn't be here in the first place if the previous ban record was implemented starting the time of papaya service. Instead these banned people got a window of opportunity to transfer and circulate those duped items. This will definitely shake up the market good luck to us.

julezz512tx · June 2016

Well so much for being able to say that we were able to start with Vertigo/Papaya on the right foot. When in fact its looking like we started having 2 left feet and I agree with @NZX005 if many of these previous banned players got wind of what was coming and were able to unload their items and dill to other accts. or friends well that just makes for a really messed up community now and NO ONE IS SAFE. There will now always be a danger that you may be buying a compromised item or that you are being paid with compromised dill and therefore run the risk of being banned because of being an accessory after the fact.Here i thought things would be different and we meaning me and Vertigo/Papaya would ride off in to the sunset.

Although I will say this for all those that jumped on here right way stating "oh idk why i got banned" "I got banned because i had several shops open all day" "I was waitng for my 1 (ONE) free crystal all day" first of all i would never admit i was doing that ROFLMAO but anyways those were some good ones, forgot one "I got banned for fishing all day" wait can that really get you banned........??

flocky55 · June 2016

Multi clienting has ALWAYS been allowed. There is nothing to be gained from disallowing it. If I want to play one char while another does fishing or afk shop thats up to me. The caveat on that is I have seen a few people logging in multiple noobs in ardeca all in the same area with junk names, while I cant fathom it perhaps they're abusing some sort of crap I haven't thought of.

Blindd · June 2016

@flocky55

The shit cannot be unseen

trokneterg6 · June 2016

Why are so many people banned and in the section
http://forum.papayaplay.com/index.php?p=/categories/dk-ban-lists
is nothing?

FlyzaPls · June 2016

Why do people charge DKC on a previously banned account? I can't even believe it to be honest, or did you really think Papaya would let all the previously banned players parade through the game again?

Cynnister · June 2016

@NZX005 I agree with you 100%, that's why I wrote that, seems like someone from Vertigo Games didn't have their thinking hat on that morning.

@flocky55 Right there with ya, been involved with this back when Acclaim was kickin around lol. I suffered though all the hackers, all the server hacks and I'm still here lol. Just lucky I guess. Back in the day my account was hacked BUT, Acclaim got all my gear and items back. You don't see that kind of thing anymore. Of course that was in the beginning of 2Moons before Acclaim started to give up on the community.

@trokneterg6 I think, again, just my head trying to wrap thoughts around this. I think, Papaya may need some help in the forum moderation area to update the forum and keep the community up to date as far as the ban waves ect. From what I have seen so far, this forum is definitely in need of some moderators.

@FlyzaPls You know how hackers are. They QQ about everything. So if one of them is banned and this loophole allowed them to still transfer an account i'm sure one of them out there figured, HEY, I know...if I just buy some DKC they will think i'm a legit player. LMAO! Man, I wish all of the hackers thought that way lol.

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