GM'S WHY AM I IN THIS PLACE? EXPLAIN

NoobNurse · July 2016

not a break rule? shall i upload video of your summy N0rmand afk farming on deadland?

[DK]Elanin · July 2016

"The games are designed for play only as offered through our Services at the Website. You agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which the game may be played by others, such as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or give you an advantage in the use of the Services which is not authorized by VERTIGO, including but not limited to the use of "bots" and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input."

That means, you are NOT allowed to AFK level. If your summoner is there its probably because it is banned for a certain amount of time or in the proccess of being banned. For your other characters to be moved out of there, please contact Veronica or Gismo through a forum PM as right now I do not have the powers yet to teleport you ^_^ (might after tomorrow's maint)

Regards

Purson37 · July 2016

agree 100%

MateaB1 · July 2016

@[DK]Elanin

When talking about AFK leveling, you must be precise! It was always allowed for a VS or CS to be AFK on a map and it was not considered AFK leveling as long as they were alone there. If there was another AFK char in the party that would profit from it without any human input (pet collecting drops from mobs killed by other chars' minion), then that behavior was considered abuse of game mechanics and it was bannable. All other cases should not be considered AFK leveling, because the chars are played as they were intended by the game publishers...

P.S. All this was explained to me clearly 2 years ago when I got a 5-days ban for similar situation and got into deeper discussion about it with GMs (went for a lunch, didn't bother to log-off 2 chars and some snitch SS-ed me)

[DK]Elanin · July 2016

I will quote this again and for the last time:

"including but not limited to the use of "bots" and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input".

It's on our terms of service, please stick to those and nothing will happen. AFK has been always a bannable offense since this game started having competition upon farming event materials. If we catch you or anybody else AFK farming we will ban you till the event ends, this has been already discussed in between the Vertigo team as well.

Regards

kerra666 · July 2016

Very well, still I want to see a post from a GM due to the fact that I saw no message upon getting removed from the normal game.

@NoobNurse Normand is not my character if you were talking to me.

I was never having another character in party, standing next to my summy. But an advantage could also be the free crystals etc so It's okay now. I understand.

The thing is... I couldn't give less shit about the character. I just want GM's to interact with their players properly.

Cheers

MateaB1 · July 2016

@[DK]Elanin

Nice... so now you will ban any VS/CS afk-ing on farmable map if it has minion on auto-attack and if he/she does not respond to a test question, poke or something?

Let me remind you that sitting in a shop also qualifies for "playing automatically without human input". Or sitting is not "playing". But on the other hand, so is not afk-ing, it's simply "standing". Well, you always had it your way, I don't see a point in discussing this matter any further, we need examples and situations shown to us, not quotes which are read by players whose English is not so good.

kerra666 · July 2016

I agree with @MeteaB1 + what about fishing? it gives afk xp aswell? perhaps even better xp than the xp I was getting when afking with summoner.

PappyPlay · July 2016

@MateaB1 & @Kerra666 - You make good points. I can't see a problem with being AFK so long as your character is not being unfairly used to level or gather kill rewards while doing so. I wonder if it would be any different if a Summoner pet was in "Stay" mode (thus not allowed to kill), especially if the player is sitting? Any other player class can "sit" anywhere in the game.

Fishing is a known function of the game, they even sell auto-rods, so that should not be a problem...obviously.

NZX005 · July 2016

Well peeps let's simply put it this way, If we allow AFK farming/leveling then you'll see a batallion of summys/Cs in every map and every direction. A gaming rig can multi-client 15-20 dekaron (not counting multiple computers you own) so just imagine how many AFK farmers that is per player.

The disadvantage will come to those who are incapable of multi-clienting and those who can't keep their system running 24/7. Also the market will crash, the prices of so many items will become so cheap but items like (seasonal/rare) red DK wings/ GD weps will remain 50-100b+ and will be way much harder to obtain.

Another thing, this will be the last nail to the coffin. We'll be inviting more zombies into the game, less and less people to interact with since most are AFKs.

PappyPlay · July 2016

@NZX005 I totally agree. AFK farming should definitely not be allowed. But AFK "doing nothing" should be fine. Sometimes I'll sit AFK if I'm playing a map that's hard to get to (without using perks) if I'm taking a break.

Cynnister · July 2016

AFK leveling is one thing with a summy. BUT, if a person is using any kind of macro/bot program to then pick up and or attack mobs it is now against the rules. In this situation he needs to get a ticket answered as to why if he wasn't doing anything wrong. So I see his point of wanting some clarification on the matter.

People are always going to think the other person did wrong but remember....back in the day, Acclaim and Nexon went on a ban wave that even i had an account banned. The funny thing was! I haven't used the account since it was created because all i did with it was hold Argates lol. So after proving this and being a pain they released my account.

So, once he gets a word from a GM to tell him whats going on if he is innocent he will report back letting us know.

[DK]Elanin · July 2016

@MateaB1

We actually follow a protocol for this, we will whisper you a certain thing that has to be replied to us in between a certain amount of time, unless you are botting or using a macro. It has been that way since 2013 and everybody knows AFK farming is just not right, specially during an event which content has to be farmed by actually playing the game.

What you are suggesting is next time or any time we have any kind of farming event whether its competitive or not (most of the cases it ends up being so) it is okay for you to leave a summoner or Concerra with a summoned creature killing things while you are either outside or sleeping and not sitting on the PC actually playing the game. That also implies, that we should all create summoners and concerras so we can all get profit and have a chance to be 'relevant' on an event. That is totally the opposite of what the terms of service saw on the part I quoted for you guys in here, I think its pretty clear.

Regards

MateaB1 · July 2016

@[DK]Elanin

Aha, now you cleared it finally. Ty. Just always follow the protocol, I have no problem with that. We all agree that botting should be eradicated and protocol assures that an innocent player will not be unjustly prosecuted.

zestia · July 2016

they don't tell anyone on any type of bans. that's how it works.

Only vicious summoners are there so it's pretty obvious afk farming is against the TOS

PappyPlay · July 2016

But just a curious question, if a CS or VS is on a map with his Summoner in non-attack mode, is that acceptable? I'm guessing the obvious, but want to be sure.

flocky55 · July 2016

A loooong time ago (maybe acclaim or just after gamehi take over around the time when there used to be a gold farming seg in python ALL THE TIME with a lure party whom she told to go afk) I was in a party with friends and obviously i looked like i was afk as i wasn't doing anything and got a whisper from a GM whispered right back and there was no issues. I believe the time to reply is quite long like an hour or something before they think you're afk leveling or whatever.

Common sense surely makes this rule clear? Summys and C/s have a pet other classes dont using those to AFK level or farm would be seen as an unfair advantage and so should be and is against the rules, before they put the non pk server back I was leveling my seg in crespo and found four down on the ice all in the same guild, I didnt s/s just killed them since it was a pk server but these guys make luring on the non pk server on lots of maps difficult or impossible, at that stage you're ruining others game play too - another bannable offence.

As for AFK fishing and shop this is open to EVERYONE so no one gains an unfair advantage if they choose to do it, it also does not riun other peoples game play.

jegosnicu · July 2016

This game hate u.

kerra666 · July 2016

I appreciate your understanding @Cynnister. Still I can't believe that nobody from Papaya staff have engaged. No worries, I got time.

And the interesting thing about this map is that It is impossible to use return scrolls to get out of it. I teleported to the banned character with another of my chars to give it some scrolls, did not get out. At this point I panicked as I had just teleported another character to the place. However It is possible to get out by teleporting to character that is still outside this map, the only requirement is the "Holy Water". So I managed to get out of the map with my second char. I am not sure if it would work for my Summy to get out of the map If I bought the holy water. So @sLYKZIG I did not really manage to get out, but there is an absurd way :D.

Now If we take a look at the Holy water situation again, it is possible to bribe them and get out quicker which tells something about them, doesn't it? Well I can't say for sure, maybe they just have not thought about securing the map fully.

This keeps getting interesting...

kerra666 · July 2016

Well , it seems to me that forums is meant just for us players to chat about shit that's going on. Obviously no GM's will interact.

I understand that you guys have just bought the game... But showing your players that you care would be appreciated, cheers.

It is just me, still waiting for that clarification.

NoobNurse · July 2016

@kerra666 gms arent doing anything besides checking their bank

Jamdarius · July 2016

@kerra666

By playing this game you agreed to their ToA

read point 7 of it

https://www.papayaplay.com/portal.do?tp=terms

You are wrong, they can ban you without giving explanation for it.

kerra666 · July 2016

@Jamdarius I never said that they can't do so. I am just saying that it is absurd to do so, as in this case I had no freaking clue what has happened.

trokneterg6 · July 2016

@[DK]Elanin
I have one Question to the Point of bann reasons.
What is when i party lvl myself.
I like to do quests.
Is this a Bann reason?
thx

GM'S WHY AM I IN THIS PLACE? EXPLAIN

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