Is this game P2W

dvalisti · September 2016

Hello guys. I just was thinking about starting to play this game and I really like this style of mmorpg. but firstly I want to know if its worth start playing. because u know... nowadays a lot of mmorpgs are p2w and I am not willing to pay a single cent in game.(bcs of my own reasons) so dear community. could you please explain this topic a little better to me? ^_^

Thanks, Kind Regards

Finnian · September 2016

It's not pay to win...but it's certainly pay to have a more enjoyable playing experience in some ways. There are a few shop items that are permanent that are needed - and very useful.

- All the perm storage items (backpack/stash/personal shop)

- The 30 day Holy Water of the Almighty each month (not necessary, but it offers some time and convenience features that are well worth it).

Those things are the 'good' to buy. The rest in the shop...meh. Until the give us a Ocarina of Eternity for pets of course.

Zonble · September 2016

This game is definitely pay to win. You won't be able to compete with someone that spends more money than you. For example there is currently a costume in the dshop that is only obtainable with cash and is better than pretty much every other costume.

However this game is still enjoyable without spending money.

But yes it is pay to win.

NZX005 · September 2016

THIS GAME IS PAY-2-WIN WE JUST PRETEND IT'S NOT. Best items can be acquired by spending lots of cash in dshop and some are dshop exclusive. Papaya also said they'll make it less pay-2-win then they binded the fishing rods so only those who have cash can afk fish while poor people like make grinds my self to death LOL.

h2obrr · September 2016

OFC its P2W, and you need to pay alot to win

ShadowAlokenLV · September 2016

Love how those people make bs about pay to win. Since 2007 in avarage monthly i have spent on 2 acc 7.5 euros(that less than monthly subscription for WOW, even less comparing to people who spend more money for smoking). Most of that investment went to Aloken. So i can't really say it's pay to win.

Personally mostly purchasing solid items not the random box bulsh1t. Costume and Wing pack deals, sometimes 5 rune pack and for sure personal shop upgrade, stash upgrade and inventory upgrade. Altough most fo the stuff can obtain for free during events, except wing/costume pack. Mostly idiots whining about pay to win since they get hooked on random boxes, Platinum boxes from cash shop, hoping to get easy rare items, then from their wiew point for sure it seems pay to win.

For the long term game it's really all about daily active playing 1-2h a day is pretty much enough. Also since costume/wing pack deals are being released at the fastest rate 6-10 month for pernament option and in between they do release timed costumes or exception event to farm costume or wings.

For new players have to understand that at first everything will seem to be too much and most likely will try to catch up with old core players by spending cash. I suggest strongly not to do so since that race will never end. In longer term really play every day a little bit instead sitting in Ardeca and chatting behind other backs or watching bored players trash talking each other :P For special events sometimes it's worth to push your limits to get good items and grind more :)

heildestru · September 2016

Well this game is more of a Pay 4 Convinience.. Most items are farmable but it takes damn long time..

Only items you kinda need from the D-shop are the Wing/costume pack and that is mostly just Pure pvp Oriented*

And you may want to gamble on some Platinum boxes for the dragon emblem. Those 2 items are the only items you need from the dshop to reatch end game.

But its also quite class dependent, Asian costume provides more dmg then wukong that is in dshop and certain tank classes can manage just as well with asian.

If you take it easy, dont have way to high expectations and give it afew years then you will reatch end game and be just like all the veterans.

h2obrr · September 2016

@ShadowAlokenLV

Did you read "Pay to win" or "Pay to play"?

You can play without spending money, you just going anywhere starting from zero.

Show me how to gear up with best things available in game without spending a single cent in 3-4 months? You cant.. also pvp costume and emblems are a must for the "WIN" part.

NZX005 · September 2016

It's pay to win and I don't know why some of you insist it's not. I've been playing here in global for more than 2 years now and still I'm nowhere near decent, my average playing time everyday is 10+ hours. I am also a hardcore farmer, I don't have the cash for dshop and I suck really bad in argating so I have to farm tons of mitera and sell them to buy +9/+10 equips. 3 days ago my ass got whooped in colo by someone who just showed up 2 months ago. That same person also got perp and dragon emblem from spamming plat boxes and equipped with dshop costume. That player raped me with 30k+ crit while having 30-35% pk/pvp resist, 20% ddr, 30% crit ress plus 8-10 candies. My jaw just dropped and stopped colo for the mean time because of disgust. I ain't complaining of being defeated in colo but being defeated by someone who just showed up 2 months ago was indeed a butt-hurt.

olbie1 · September 2016

Bro in every game youll have Random boxes and in every game you end up buying atleast a few of them. Ofcurse you can get items fast by Paying thats a definitive yes. but you dont have to pay you can also grind and with a bit luck you can get geared in lest say 1 month? if your not geared after 2 years then thats just lazy.

im playing this Game 10 years had 5 chars geared 190+ nowadays its damn esay to make diil and items not like in the old times for example a6-a9
so please guys stop crying about the pay to win.

p.s if you find any grammar fails Its my keyboard ! its new :c

ShadowAlokenLV · September 2016

@olbie1

It always will be hard for some one to plan his routine and focus on certain things to achieve goal. If player within 2 years can't gear up single char, then seriously lazy or just stupid. Friend of mine came back 3 month ago after he did quit Dekaron 7 years ago and his reaction was like, Dekaron became private server, easier to farm stuff. The hardest thing might be to farm Master Wedding ring since Wedding Ring droprate is low, other than that it's much harder to find something decent to do, besides helping lowbies with dgs or spam IB2.

Making dills is really easy, it's much harder to find something decent to buy since for many buying and reselling for higher is kinda the idea how to get on top.

@h2obrr

Why should i explain how to get best items in game, after all it's sort of competive game. If you can't come up with idea how to make dills and buy ingredients or already premade stuff then guess what, bad for you. If you really so desperate to be on top then learn to save timed items from event when it's most needed and use it when the right time is.

Just because time by time they add on cash shop wing/costume box, doesn't mean game is pay to win, don't tell me you can't afford to buy 40 euro woth pack at least once a year (3.3 euros in avarage for month),(wich is cheaper than fuking burger) and compensate rest in brands, options, wich by the way you can farm nowdays. Don't expect game to be 100% free, where every one has eaqual chance, there are none like that, eather game is being sponsored and used for E sports ( those games tend to be more visuals based but still premium users get better offers even for that) or monthly fee, or simply play for free with cash shops.

Show me a game, where you can be on top old core base within 3-4 month. Older the game gets, more time is needed to reach high end players. Don't expect to be one of the best in a game wich in english version is running for almost 10 years just in couple months, even by spending crapload cash that's almost impossible.

h2obrr · September 2016

@ShadowAlokenLV

Great answer, you shoot your own foot.

Exactly, I easily geared a alt with my main, I can solo any dg and do anything, but the point is starting from zero.

I'll give you an example, I'm playing Blade and Soul, in 1.5 months, without buying cash I'm not a top tier player, but I'm able do do ANY Dungeon and farm anything to get there.

Here with 4 months I doubt you will have gear to do Mitera dg, neither be able to farm like I do with my main, unless some1 carry you or you buy alot of cash.

If you are up to wait 2 years to be on top tier newcomers are not. When they have average gears and get riped with half a meister skill from the top tier they just gave up or go to DShops.

Your vision is from 2000 korean games, where you needed to play years and years to get anywhere, today the end game is the mainstream.

ShadowAlokenLV · September 2016

@h2obrr

I haven't shot my own foot at all.But man your arguments just got no background at all and with no sense what so ever.

Blade and souls is one of worst examples you could have gaved, when that game launched for english version? It was released 2016. 19th Jan and English version Dekaron 2007 June. Ofc you won't feel any difference to that game since it's new game for us, How stupid must be a person to compare end game content with nearly 10 years old game to the game wich haven't yet celebrated 1 year anniversary for english release. Same thing was with Dekaron(2 moons) when i started to play, no stats for costume, no stat for pets etc, but more or less when games get older they need to find way to get income and with just cosmetics for MMO it's really dificult. But clearly you didn't get that part where i clearly wrote, older the game gets, more time required to reach end game content same level,strenght as old core players. You really expect to do Mitera dg within 4 months by litterally no effort at all, comparing to players who played game for 5 years or more and built their chars up there with different accessories. I would say your expectations for lazy player is just too high.

So basically through your logic, within 4 month you expect to farm Mitera Neclase, Perpetuus, 2x master wedding ring or master dragon neclase, 2x Dragon earing for PVP or Spell Kracion for PVE fully gear your char to +9/+10 wepon, have one of best stats for armmor/wepon and got high expectation to be one of best chars in your class? Don't you think thats spit to old core players who played this game for years if player like you dreams to be in their league :D

Besides don't try to predict my vision. Your example, where you reach end game content within couple months and it's mainstream is just bulsh1t. To be honest there is only temporary end game, wich over years go higher and higher with new update and content releases. Dekaron used to have end game pretty much at 140/150/180 and we are going to enter at 190 most likely with new action release.

But yea now i see what kind person you are, basically looking for easy way to reach end game as fast as possible and if fail probably move to new game or complain how P2W this game is. Maybe better play or rent console games, one time play off and move to new game, online multiplayer games for most part have no end game and it's never ending competation, event by event to get best items with best stats and as soon you done with that in few weeks or month again something to farm, or from cash shop to buy.

Better lower your expectations and compete in low level groups, it is ok to dream to be in big boys league but with 4 months it's not enough to do that.

Zonble · October 2016

This thread has gotten off topic in my opinion. This person just wanted to know if the game is worth playing and if it's pay 2 win.

First off this game is pay 2 win by definition. Just because you choose not to purchase things from the dshop doesn't change the fact that it is.

This is the urban dictionary definition for pay 2 win:

"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."

No Urban Dictionary isn't the best source but given that pay 2 win doesn't have a actual definition I think it's pretty good.

Someone in this game who buys an exp amulet vs someone who dose not will get more exp than the other person in given amount of time, given that they both train in the same way.

Another example is the new costume in the dshop. If two players with a similar level and similar gear fight the person with the costume is going to have the advantage. Does it guarantee that they will win? No, but it does give them a large advantage.

A game being pay 2 win has nothing to do with whether or not individual players buy into it or not. It has to do with whether or not players CAN use real cash to give them an advantage. And in Dekaron and many other MMO's this is the case.

There are plenty of great game out there that don't follow this Pay2Win model. On great example is path of exile. Path of exile makes it's money through micro transactions just like Dekaron. However there is a key difference. The Micro transactions in Path of Exile are purely cosmetic and quality of life items such as bank organizers. They don't give you an advantage over other players. And I am sure that Path of Exile has a much larger player base than Dekaron.

Also this "wanting everything handed to you" mentality is created by this pay2win model. Of course people are going to wine about how long something takes when they could just purchase it in a matter of minutes. Anyway i'm ranting way to much lets move on to this persons other question.

Second this person wants to know if this game is worth playing or not. I absolutely think this game is still worth playing. I have played many different mmo's but the combat and pvp in this one is my favorite. It's going to be a challenge to compete with end game players if you don't spend money i'm not going to lie. Especially with dshop exclusive items. Like ShadowAlokenLV Mentioned above I have also never spent more than you would on a monthly subscription to another game. I want to support this game and help it grow. However I know that if I never spent money on this game I wouldn't be anywhere near gear wise where I am today.

h2obrr · October 2016

@ShadowAlokenLV

You really dumb, got nothing to say and then started to say about me, which you dont know me neither know my character.

First I play this game since beta, I spent alot of time gearing if you want to know, like I said I can solo mitera/farm as much as I want with no problem. -> You saying BS

Second we are talking of pay to win, a player who doesnt spent much will take what 2-3 years to gear up and then "try out pvping"? -> You saying BS again

While some1 with a big wallet go there and in 2 months make a fully geared char. Thats is what p2w means. You get anywhere being a free player, or maybe you wait 3 years to be able to pvp? -> You saying BS again

You say about 10 years of game, you dont play any content from those 10 years, you just lvl to 190 in a month in ib/ib2 and the 3 nexts years you farm to gear up. -> So again you telling BS.

Now fk off, stop saying bs about me. If I'm playing BnS now is not because I want easy things, is because papaya fked the game, we got nothing new only bugs and bugs.

I'm done with you, tired of explaining the same thing and you distorting it as it fits better for you.

If you have anything unfinished with me go ingame and we kill each other(if you are able to), because atleast it may be fun, for sure better than reading you BS, from anno 2000.

pescasefuz · October 2016

Nowadays all the mmo's are p2w!
Now depends on your expectation, if you wanna be top player at pvp you need to spend some money.(this is the thing where companies make money)
In midle to top for pvp you can do it without any cent spend.
Leveling is very easy and you can farm certain items that can bring good money.
Try the game and see it for yourself!

MondiVG · October 2016

I did not ready what every one saying but here is what I think about the game this game is never p2w.

Reasons:
(1) you can lvl fast with out paying.....
(2) you can get nice drops and sell them to the players make money...
(3) you can farm all the rings the game have and you can be same like the old players...
(4) I know lots people here never pay 10 euro because where they live 10 euro is all day work..
(5) If you want to kill to fight on pvp 1-1 then is not big deal pay 5 euro take some bufs here you go...there is nothing p2w here but like always some some people will always comment bad

1 more thing every 5 months or so they bring on D shop costume wings like 40 euro well save money and spend for the game you love simple or piss off no one works for free.....

Some old people saying YOUR MAMA DOS NOT GAVE IT FOR FREE TO YOUR PAPA xD

Things you need.....

You need time
You need friends make friends
Try enjoy the game if you are NEW don't just do (DG's) play all the skills find out everything about the game..

1 ak is 190+ telling me how to make SS not only him but omg lots of people so what i am trying to say is whatever you 190+ and you die you have not learn the game yet its not the d shop bufs kill you its your self you have not learn your char.....

I am out good morning to make SS PRESS F12 on your keyboard.

akada22 · October 2016

@dvalisti

I must agree with Mondi on this. The game is not P2W, you just need to play it or no-life it to get fast good stuff. Participate to events, be active.

Like MondiVG said:

"1 more thing every 5 months or so they bring on D shop costume wings like 40 euro well save money and spend for the game you love simple or piss off no one works for free.....

Things you need.....

You need time .... "

drandadek · October 2016

There is a non PK server where you are not forced to play or PvP anybody ... so in short your answer is NO def not a Pay to Win game. Now if what you really mean is do cash players get an advantage over other players who dont contribute $$$ then the answer is simply YES ... as it should be !!

fhyegunu · October 2016

If it's anything like it was 2-3 years ago... Yes, it's EXTREMELY pay to win.

A6 was IMO the last action where the game wasn't as p2w. Why? Well because of better argating rates and, of course, gear differences.

After A7, the difference in gears from +8 to +9 became STUPIDLY BIG! Basically, a +7/+8 guy most of the time stood NO CHANCE against a +9 guy, after A7.
In other words, skill was all but taken away from the game. What did this accomplish? Well without a good set, you can't compete. That means you need a good set. Now you can turn to dillbuying, which is illegal, or you can make your own set. And there you go, p2w.

+10 weapons and costumes that give stats only reinforce this conclusion.

Is this game P2W

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