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Strongest Meister (feel free to debate)

abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
General
I've been looking through A18 skill tree and calculating every Meister skill for each class and I have come to a conclusion that the Vicious Summoners Skill "Dig Boar" is the strongest Meister in game maybe even the strongest skill in general in game.

Here are all the strongest meisters for each class so you can share your opinion.(Total damage of a maxed Meister but with just base skill dmg)

1. Vicious Summoner
Dig Boar: 144,734 attack

2. Aloken
Magnorine: 129,288 attack

3. Half Bagi
Madness Rage: 129,150 attack

4. Hunter
Duporne: 121,362 attack

5. Dark Wizard
Dark dragon: 121,181 atttack

6. Bagi
Delakar: 118,762 attack

7. Segnale
Fu Velos: 111,972 attack

8. Seguriper
Cotona: 105,330 attack

9. Concerra Summoner
Narsconderr: 96,845 attack

10. Azure Knight
Ashuwin: 95,070 attack

11. Mage
Fire Mass: 86,625 attack

12. Dragon knight
Rira Cume: 83,870 attack

Let me know what you guys think...

Comments

  • AizenxAizenx Posts: 49Approved Member Beginner
    try explode from segu that would be step1
  • h2obrrh2obrr Posts: 290Approved Member Intermediate
    Even if by "strong" you mean purely dmg, you should consider every hit of the skill is sum with the character damge, which includes base dmg, atk modifiers and gems in wep.

    SO I would redo all calculations with that in mind, since every class has different atk.
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  • abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
    edited October 2016
    @h2obrr

    I mentioned base skill damage in parenthesis, if I did mention all the things you said then it would take me years to make this discussion because there is endless armor and things u can put on this game.
  • abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
    @Aizenx

    lol i thought the same, it does slightly less at 104,999 attack made of 7 attacks doing 14,957 each. But remember I'm not saying cotona is the better Meister
  • h2obrrh2obrr Posts: 290Approved Member Intermediate
    edited October 2016
    @abraham2000

    Sorry but then it's a useless comparison, you can have 30k dmg per hit and still not have high dmg as other meisters....

    Edit:

    Making a point: This kind of comparison may lead new comers to believe summy have the highest dmg. While we know that segus and mages are the highest dmg in game atm.

    So in the end, this comparison as it is now,does not serves as "good information" to new players taking decisions.
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  • abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
    edited October 2016
    @h2obrr

    Maybe you say that because you don't believe me but it is not pointless reason why I showed the base attack is because if you put any gear on then it becomes unstable information because not everyone has the same gear, but everyone CAN have the same Meister and CAN have it maxed out.
    It's a discussion curiosity

    Here is part of the information...
    http://146.185.253.112/dekaron/summoner.htm

    Change classes by clicking on the emblems on the left bottom corner. :) sorry if I prob offended your class but it's facts
  • abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
    edited October 2016
    @h2obrr

    You know lol I'm dang tired of getting into a argument and people saying oh no the newcomers they will get so confused, don't say this or you shouldn't do that, well I speak facts so even if segu and mage are the "hardest hitters" which I don't agree with because it all comes down to gear and the only difference in damage they can possibly have is the weapon and in these days weapons only make about 1/4 of the damage maybe less so most classes achieve their damage with other pieces of gear I'm going to be vague about gear because there is so many different things you can equip.

    Another thing, how strong your Meister is pretty much determines how well you will do in pvp against other high end players since meisters are op as shet.

    Although I respect you opinion aswell but you gotta at least agree with some of what I'm saying lol.
  • heildestruheildestru Posts: 167Approved Member Trainee
    Seguriper Step 1 *Explode* is the highest damage skill in the game. But it only hits 7-8 times and often the last 2 atacks misses, that being said dig boar is really strong, it hitts 10 times but same as explode, some of the hits do tend to miss.
    The highest burst meister is probebly Anami ( Step 1 2h azure ) cause it hitts 11 times and super fast, but the 2h ak skill tree is quite low on actualy base dmg,

    Overall its mostly about what gear/build you weald also if you are lucky to actualy get in all the hits from ya meister abilities.
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  • abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
    @heildestru

    http://146.185.253.112/dekaron/segureaper.htm

    Look for yourself and also the amami does butcheeks damage compared to dig boar
  • antton44antton44 Posts: 9Member Beginner
    Well, I don't know how you calculated. For once base dmg of amami is 160 599.. 

    13209 + 14461 x 5 + 15017 x 5 = 160 599.

    1st: 13209
    2nd: 14461 x (0,9/0,18) -> 14461 x 5
    3rd: 15017 x (1,3/0,26) ->15017 x 5 



    Segu explode is 134 613 + hidden dmg, it got like 50% more dmg or something. 


  • heildestruheildestru Posts: 167Approved Member Trainee
    The skill calculator is not showing damage properly. it states that Lotona deals higher damage then explode yet that is invalid.
    It does not count the elemental damage bonus from abilities, every skill got a extra elemental damage bonus.
    Since Gametribe opened dekaron i have allways loved to make dekaron videos,
    Hit me up for video suggestions/ideas and requests and maby il make it a reality.
    Check out my Yt channel For entertaning videos all from
    Montage parodys'
    Serious montages'
    Trolling'
    PvP/pk/pve videos'
    and lots and lots more <3

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  • h2obrrh2obrr Posts: 290Approved Member Intermediate
    @abraham2000

    "Change classes by clicking on the emblems on the left bottom corner. :) "


    I guess every old player already knows and uses this site...

    "sorry if I prob offended your class but it's facts"

    No offense taken, you making it personal while I'm not, and the fact you taking alone does means nothing. Just take the example that a dual ak can use 6x9% while a summoner can use 3x9% and your best calculation means nothing.

    "You know lol I'm dang tired of getting into a argument and people saying
    oh no the newcomers they will get so confused, don't say this or you
    shouldn't do that, well I speak facts so even if segu and mage are the
    "hardest hitters" which I don't agree with because it all comes down to
    gear and the only difference in damage they can possibly have is the
    weapon and in these days weapons only make about 1/4 of the damage maybe
    less so most classes achieve their damage with other pieces of gear I'm
    going to be vague about gear because there is so many different things
    you can equip.

    Another thing, how strong your Meister is pretty
    much determines how well you will do in pvp against other high end
    players since meisters are op as shet.

    Although I respect you opinion aswell but you gotta at least agree with some of what I'm saying lol. "

    Clearly you havent come to *end game* yet, You can just go to crespo ask the top geared players of every class, they have about the same gear, but their damage and how much they can tank is completely different.

    You will *NEVER EVER* see a summoner or an aloken hit 650k in the DK square stones, while  a seguriper can do it with no problem.

    Anyway, you think whatever you want, it wont change the facts and when you reach end game with good gears you will laugh at yourself for thinking that "all classes with same gear could deal the same damage".
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  • MateaB1MateaB1 Posts: 351Approved Member Intermediate
    Let me give you a hint or two, since I made those tables...
    a) you should take into account damage rate, which is not 60% for all Meister skills (some are nerfed)
    b) some proxy skills are nerfed: attack duration/attack rate is less than is shown (fewer hits) - it changed few times in last 3 actions, so I left original projections as reference, current state is easily checked
    c) for some skills which debuff at the same time, you can't compare raw numbers, they might hit more
    My suggestion would be to try out all the skills on live person and compare that way...
  • abraham2000abraham2000 Posts: 50Member Beginner
    @MateaB1
    Very good ideas, thank you. Btw you make the best charts and skill trees I've seen so far, keep up the grind, lol I'm kinda thinking you have more of a right to make this discussion, but do you agree with what the others said you it's half and half, let me know?
  • MateaB1MateaB1 Posts: 351Approved Member Intermediate
    Forgot to mention that type of damage is also relevant: physical (melee or range), magical (pure or elemental) or some combination of those. For skills dealing magical damage, output will be always higher due to less magical resistance classes have. Atm damage output is balanced with resistances and buffs/debuffs, also taking into account all the rings/wings/costumes we have in game. I am not saying that the balance is perfect (AKs are still too fast), but it's close for most of the chars (balance is not made for 1vs1 fights, but rather to valuability in pty vs pty matches.
    So, use those tables as a guide, to get an idea what is the possibility of each skill, so you can combine. Nothing beats testing...
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