Latale Power creep?

Raichu21 · June 2017

Is less more or is it the more power the better?

Would Latale (mid - late game) be good with less strengthening options but maybe the bosses and things are a little weaker?

Or is it best with as much upgrading power as possible?

(I have not played to the end but heard that the end game was very tough and tedious, or something like that)

cube4wizards · June 2017

Uh, lets put it like this. The game was very straightforward until you got Darkness weapons and armor. It looks like the developers for all intents and purposes intended Degos to be the final dungeon, and the darkness set to be the end all be all armor and weapon set. Then, they decided the game was still going, and they needed to add more endgame content. They did two different things, and they both had their ups and downs.

First, they started adding new dungeons like Njord and Nightmare Village that gave new equips that were meant to go into new equipment slots. This had the effect of making Degos armor and weapons useful for a LONG time (until 4th jobs and Imir) but left a lot of players confused about what, exactly, they should be tackling next since the dungeons were all over the place.

Then, they finally decided to expand the level cap and give players new dungeons they could cleanly and clearly progress into. The problem is that they made one good place to level up and get armor intended for level 200+ gameplay- Sky Coli. Sky coli was long, hard to run, needed to be run a lot, and ended up being very boring. In my personal experiences I could duo it with a friend, but doing all of a day's runs took up to two hours. Leveling up once could take anywhere from a few days to a week, and since most of the new content was locked at level 205-207 at the time, we decided it would be far too hard to get there through Sky.

In my personal opinion, they could have made endgame better by sticking with their ideas behind Sky Coli and level 200+ dungeons, since having a clear upgrade path made figuring out what you needed to do really easy, but they needed to make Sky Coli less of a grind than it was, because some players just never got to level 205.

And, uh, sorry for the textwall. I tend to just... do that.

PoFolks · June 2017

Man right on the money! Got to lvl 203 and kinda burnt out. I could solo around 15 mins a run but time wasnt on my side. I could get a leech from a Guildie but also very boring. I could try to find a party but the search time was endless and I don't have all day like back in the day. At first at lvl 199 I was find with that. Had a great ymir set with darkness weapon, I was cruising. But then i hit 200, and I had to try for the better equips, that's when all hell broke loose. But nonetheless I want to try the new dungeons, hope a few hrs a day could get me to my final destination.

AugustineVii · June 2017

The issue I've noticed. Is people don't take the time and effort to do what they NEED to if they actually want to get and stay strong. Cards and Codexing are a very important part of the game and people tend to neglect them. Even having them half way complete makes a huge difference that you will eventually not even notice since its becomes core strength. So if you get tired of grinding levels. I suggest you take a week and work on your monster cards and your item codexes. It can be tedious but its a necessary evil in my opinion. Don't get lazy and just remember to have fun with it! Before you know it. You'll be able to handle any dungeon even at a low level. Armour will only take you so far. Remember that.

marioale123 · June 2017

You are right august, i almost had all cards n codex in ogp, i was very powerful i had 2 alts +lv 205 , i took my time to farm about 500-600 cards and 300-400 codexes, but as i seen magical classes have more advantage on damage then physicals > i decided to main demigod in this server cuz actually you will need alot of damage to survive here, and the alot of stuff that i know to lvl up quick will help me alot :P . in OGP i had Lv17 998 str top / 1054 str bottom / 159 cdmg gloves, i hope i can make such op stuff here :D. i wont give up on being poweful xd. The point atm(at this moment) in this server is grow up quick to enjoy the +Lv210 equips dunges , also help your friends. Also i hope this server will give exp artifacts/ dmg boosts / etc in the 1st´s day. Honestly i have high experience on lvling up quick, if some1 wanna join my journey tell me :)

OGP IGN: Marioale12-Highlander Lv220

Aegelweard · June 2017

Power creep is a thing in LaTale.

Each new big update places new challenges before the players but then 1 or 2 updates after that they buff the players thus making previously difficult dungeons and maps somewhat easier. It was true with Degos, Ymir, Odin, Dream roads and, eventually, Sky.

You should keep in mind that we are starting in a completely new environment Goddess update is! Skills were re-balanced, new passive level-locked abilities were added, stat growth was re-balanced too. So this game will feel different to what it was on OGP.

And, @AugustineVii, I would object that farming cards and codex items is a necessity. Only a handful of cards are the must (crit rate, basic stat%, max, min and crit damage ones). Other cards are auxiliary. Having 500 more stats is always good but is not critical to game progression. One piece of well-enchanted Tzar/Kaiser armor will give more stat growth than your entire "auxiliary" card collection.

Many end-game KLT players have their cards and item codex only 1/3 complete. And this does not prevent them dealing 20m+ crits in Manastone Lab.

AugustineVii · June 2017

@Aegelweard Every little bit counts. I, on OGP only had a little over half way on both, combined they provided more than 2k basic stats and 5k max hp. That makes tons difference than a fresh account. I could do a lot more than a fresh spawn would be able to at low levels simply because of cards and codex. So i personally do think they hold more importance than just nit picking which ones you want. I'm not saying what you said is a bad thing. It just, especially early game always makes a big difference. I would say you're right about it not being that big of a deal endgame. But it is always good to stress building a foundation to play on. Hope you can see where i am coming from, my friend!

cube4wizards · June 2017

Trust me, I did my cards and codexes in the days before they were account wide. That was not a fun time. It did make a difference, but not the level of difference I'd have needed to make Sky less of a miserable slog. We'll see what things look like this time around though.

Aegelweard · June 2017

@AugustineVii

Yes, I see where you are coming from and I admit you do have a valid point. I just hope we will have our lovely prime IDR artifacts or nostrums to help us get the cards done. Farming those on 100 or 200 IDR would be quite unpleasant.

AugustineVii · June 2017

@Aegelweard haha. Just get a nice glass of water. Some relaxing music. Maybe even a fruit and just farm away! You will be surprised how quick it goes when you are mindlessly going about little task in the game. Or better yet, join a guild and see if they have a discord. Chatting with people also makes the time fly. I wish you the best nonetheless in your farming my friend haha.

marioale123 · June 2017

@Aegelweard

If koreans hits 20m without mayority of cards n codex, why dont try to hit 25-30m with most of them? :P

lol i honestly cant wait until new latale comes ... :V

Aegelweard · June 2017

@marioale123

"i honestly cant wait until new latale comes" - me too

GaleWeaver · June 2017

Wow, forum Aug is so different from guild chat Aug. :^)

Aegelweard · June 2017

@GaleWeaver

See what clean and fresh start does to people.

AugustineVii · June 2017

@GaleWeaver. I am still the same goofball i always have been. I just know "time and place."

Sorry if i'm a bit disappointing. But here, is not the "time" or "place" for goofing really.

Rubatin · June 2017

Power creep is pretty much inevitable in the game.

I think the problem is most earlier players don't know what they should be doing. Early-mid game players see the content that veterans do -Palace, Dynasty, Lab, Sky coliseum, etc- and want to be able to participate. There's nothing wrong with this, but a large amount of them haven't done the gearing they need in order to be a useful member in these dungeons. Speeding up the leveling curve has made the game quicker to reach the cap, but it's made players focus almost entirely on leveling instead of gearing. That's why so many people in the current server are at vastly different levels of damage in the 205~220 area.

Another issue that players have is skipping. I've seen too many players opt for skipping odin for +0 dynasty, or skipping dynasty for +0 lab. These players buy a base and enchant it, and aren't capable of running the dungeons the weapons are in. Of course, the enchants on these aren't very good. Many players opt for moving into the red/black sets at +0 right away despite not having a means to run the dungeons. Yet making +20 sky coliseum is an easier option and very viable. Even a few select people in my guild had plans to skip mutation because they learned a new set of accessories was releasing. Making the game easier at early game is a bad idea, it encourages skipping and puts newer players at higher level dungeons at an even quicker pace than they should be.

Lastly, many early players ignore pets, gems, card/codex, special accessories. and ely skills. Some people saw these as "extra" and "min-maxing." These things can be as important, if not more than weapons and armor.

Maybe the game needs more guides in relation to this? One of the best I've seen is the Comprehensive Guide to Gear Progression. It's slightly outdated but it has a great deal of information on gear in the game that most players should utilize. Especially now that the game is starting over, if players are committed to putting in the work, it should be easier for players to gear.

AugustineVii · June 2017

@Rubatin YES! I agree with you mate. BUT, i DID skip +20 sky coli, i saw it as unnecessary and a waste of ely. Instead i opted out for +10 sky (yes half way) and doing palace with friends daily until we were all strong enough and able bodied enough to make it through the dungeon easily. Sometimes you just need a small group (which everyone does not have) to power through some of these things. Now for players who are more solo based. Your statement is pretty spot on. I love it, but skipping is sometimes very possible and successful if you know how big the gap is and are reasonable about it, and have a good group of friends to power through things with!

GaleWeaver · June 2017

@AugustineVii

I know fam, I was just poking some fun at you hehe. I'm actually looking forward to returning to LT when this move happens. It seems like this new host might be making some changes for the better which I look forward to (less p2w and better balancing would be a nice starting point). Would love to rejoin you and Danz when the time comes :)

owillyd · June 2017

@GaleWeaver Danz is most likely not coming back lol.

Aegelweard · June 2017

I have mixed fillings in regards to skipping content. While some items can be skipped completely (like Wind necklace or Phonix badge) some are not.

I remember doing my first Sky runs using +4 Twilight set with 4x stamina/luck. I could only do stage 1 and only the first two bosses. But they dropped enough loot to get going. In doing so I completely avoided doing Roads and Odin but then again, I had nobody to run them with.

So in the end it all comes down to who your friends are.

owillyd · June 2017

@Aegelweard That's why its up to us to reshape the community and do things together as a community would just to keep things from becoming the way they did on OGP.

Kaonashi · July 2017

Just about every MMO has power creep. There are ways to slow it down but it really is inevitable. I doubt the community will do a full 180 just because of a host/publisher change but I have more faith in Papaya than I did OG Planet to be active and handle things properly on their side of things. I am looking forward to how they manage the game. Just don't expect power creep to not be a thing, it almost always is. Nature of how these games work. I can't even name an Anime MMO or an MMO in general off the top of my head that didn't or doesn't have power creep at the moment.

Kaonashi · July 2017

[Double Post Since I Didn't See The Need For Approval After The First Comment - IMHO, Odd Way To Do It]

Latale Power creep?

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