My (Energetic) last 170-185 DKSQ match - Farewell 185

Energetics · June 2017

I would explain in details why 170-185 is the top of unbalance ever existed in game, and I would also explain why dksq higher brackets should be revamped asap from 170-185/186+ into 170-9/180-9/190+. But as people use to say, 1 picture worth like a thousand words. Then I guess 1 video worth even more.

Have fun kids:

Razeeer · June 2017

Well, welcome to 186+, I guess. However, what you said about the brackets, and how they should be revamped, I believe, that, they are good the way they are now. The reason why I'm saying this, is because, if they transformed the 170~185/186+ into 170~179/180~189/190+ they would divide the player base for dksq way too much, in a game where, let's be honest, there aren't many active players. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that some players play only dksq, and they could stop at 179, or 189 and just play in those respective brackets, but most of the players just want to get all steps, the 185 weapon,the 190 buff, and generally just to get as strong as possible. The 190+ would have active players, however the 170~179/180~189 brackets would be pretty empty, since getting level 190+ now is significantly easier after they added the 185 dungeon.

h2obrr · June 2017

I have no idea why people talk about brackets with lvl.

LEVEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BALANCE

you simple have TOP geared players, GOOD gearead players, and people who dont have pk/pvp gear.

If you are 180, 185, 190 or 195 means nothing.

We have good examples of players 185, fully geared who can tank and kill an entire pt of 190/195 geared people.

Razeeer · June 2017

@h2obrr well, saying that level has nothing to do with balance, then comparing lvl 185 fully geared players with 190+ undergeared players, it's the same as comparing apples with bananas. Yes, its true, that there are 18x players who are stronger than some 19x players, but that doesn't mean that level has nothing to do with balance, as you just proudly mentioned, or should I say shouted, using both capslock and the highest available font size.

If you were to compare apples with apples, say two players, same class, identical gears, and then you take the level into consideration, the one who has the highest level, will always have the upper hand.

Not to mention that there are some key levels, which can make a huge difference between players (185 gives you access to the best weapon, 190 gives you access to, probably, the best passive skill, etc)

Toxiiikz · June 2017

Seggy you are so stupid lol, but i know for sure theres no point arguing with you because you will probably always be this delusional about "lvls doesnt matter"

YerOldmanisHere · June 2017

@h2obrr - yep YOU ARE STUPID

although at some point, I think we all understand where you coming from..... as it is true that a "player levels" doesn't really matter these day - HOWEVER you FAILED to consider @Razeeer great explanation whereas GEARS, WEAPONS and the amount of all players that are active now in game.

Good one for @Energetics for pointing out that the current bracket is indefinitely unbalance - Unfortunately, yes at the current flow and status of the game - I think it should remain as it is...we don't have much players these days so it is obvious that it's really hard to compete with veteran players who has multiple old accounts. - you want to win? want to enjoy it? Then stop at 185bracket and have a fully gear, go get yourself a +10185 or UltiWeap.

I remembered a question from an old friend of mine as he asked me: "Can someone catch up with you guys if say for example he start to play the game now?".......ask yourself fellow players as to what's the answer.

1. You can hit 190+ in a month - there is no dispute in that. With all the runes and the new DG as well.

2. However, you need to spend a ridiculous amount of real money if you wish to compete and ultimately enjoy the game. (you can't enjoy the game just killing mobs and completing quest - ITS BORING. PK, PVP, war, DKSQ etc. - these things make the game enjoyable - period.)

Most if not all players these days obviously want the last/recent Top Gears and Top Weapons...so that's around 190+ brackets.

Anyway, congrats @Energetics for hitting 186 now Good luck trash talking at 186bracket.. We won't be seeing each other for a long time. It was fun dancing after killing you in-game. It was fun with all the trashtalking from you after I or we kill you in DKSQ. Hahaha ^_^)

Energetics · June 2017

@YerOldmanisHere

Yeah you indeed got my point bro. +1 for you.

And I'm gonna lvl more this days to hit 190+, and as well I'm ready for some fun pvps with you anytime you wish, just send me pm/pt/mail/etc anytime when you see me on ^-^

Energetics · June 2017

Seems for me like some people got my point instantly, and some still need to figure it out. So I will just help the second part by simply explaining my point.

At the moment in game, it is enough to be only lvl 185 in order to have, own and use 99.99% of all items, gears, accessories and skills in game.

What you can't use if you are ~only~ lvl 185:

1) 186 gloves (not even a matter if you have 172 gloves with strong enough options, defense and crit rate get easily capped with ll the buffs this days).

2) 187 armor (not even a matter again if you have illipia armor or 170 dk armor with good options).

3) 188 helmet (not even compared to mc2 which is lvl 170+).

4) lvl 190 passive buff.

Beside this, you can have all earrings, rings, weps, sets, belts, armlets, wings, pets, customes, max meister skills on both trees, and anything else I might have missed in that list.

What you can't use if you are only lvl 170:

1) 175+ rings (perp, mwr, mdn).

2) step 3.

3) 175+ weps and sets.

4) And more things I didn't mention in that list.

As well, don't forget that as @YerOldmanisHere said, lvls grow up easier than ever this days, and are being achieved way easier faster than gears, which makes the huge difference between lvl 17x gearless players, lvl 18x low-middle geared players, and lvl 19x middle-elite geared players.

TLDR:

In my eyes, the higher DKSQ brackets in game (170-185/186+) should be revamped into 3 different brackets: 170-9/180-9/190+.

179/180 is a difference due to learning and maxing step 3.

189/190 is a difference due to the passive buff (190 vit, which is 12.5% crit dmg).

h2obrr · June 2017

@Toxiiikz

I'm not seggy, idk where you get that but who knows crazy people say crazy things...

@Razeeer Level with current top gears has no impact, be you 185 or 195. That 190 passive is great for undergeared people, for geared? pf thats a joke you can cap 300% crit dmg easily with 2x trieste armlet, and proper gear.

@YerOldmanisHere no idea what you talking, maybe you understood everything wrong, but who cares.

Like @Energetics said, you can have everything at lvl 185, but a passive that if you have all gears wouldn't make difference, if we take into account buffs, then every1 cap every status easily.

Go ahead, make 10 brackets. it will be the same thing. Geared people taking advantage of under-geared people in those brackets, like all of you are doing. Making brackets wont gear up those guys you kill easy, and won't stop them of leveling and hitting the top brackets, it will just split the player base even more.

Now try to change the mind of the players which are fully geared and stick in lower brackets to "feel the strongest of" and make them level and join the top brackets, maybe we will see some balance.

Razeeer · June 2017

@h2obrr Obviously gear has more impact, compared to the level, however I said that when you compare two players, same class, same gear, the one with the higher level will have the upper hand.

Ok, just to sum it up for you, since you only mentioned the critical damage and apparently you lack knowledge on what each level gives you, here is what you obtain for each level: stat points, skill points, defense, all res, critical rate, guard rate, magic resistance and vitality.

Here would be the difference between a 185 and a 195, assuming same class and identical gear: the 195 would have extra 50 stats, 10 skill points, 1446 defense, 382 all resistance, 451 critical rate, 345 guard, 1085 magic resistance and 275 vitality.

So before saying "Level with current top gears has no impact, be you 185 or 195" be sure to check your facts, otherwise you will look like a twat.

olvag01 · June 2017

@Razeeer @Energetics +1 Bros

h2obrr · June 2017

@Razeeer

I know those status from passives, and to say the truth, the only that really makes difference is the magic resistance which you cannot obtain easily.

You missing what I'm trying to explain. but lets go.

50 pts stats: in heal would be 2k hp for me, nice but for someone with 60k hp, to one with 62k?

or 50 pts : in str would be 500 atk for me, from 39k atk to 39.5k.

10 skill pts: at 185 you for sure have lvled all pvp skills, maybe missing Pve ones?

1446 def: for someone with 40k def 41.5k would be what 1% in physical resistance?(as you know def is not linear).

451 crit: capped

354 guard: capped

1085: magic resistance, usefull

275 vit: capped

I would bet more in the random chance of status of skills, lucky criticals, and player skill in pvp than those status.

I lost the count of how many times I saw 185 winning best of 3 pvps from 190+, both geared.

PS: Not even talking about buffed people, which would bring this to 0 diff.

But hey, feel free to keep those theories based on numbers and no real PvPs...

Razeeer · June 2017

,@h2obrr yea, although I agree with you on "I lost the count of how many times I saw 185 winning best of 3 pvps from 190+, both geared." , I said both equally geared, and same class. Same class.

The reason why I'm saying this, is because a class can be at an advantage against some classes, and also at a disadvantage against other classes.

Now, you didn't defined what you meant when you said "both geared",so you need to be a little more specific, but if you're gonna say you saw a 185 winning best out of 3 pvps against 190+, same CLASS, and similar (close to identical) gears,not just "both geared", there's one of 3 possibilities: 1st. The 190+ didn't tried, 2nd. The player owning the 190+ character didn't actually made that character, he probably bought it, therefore he lacks experience (and as a side note, I hope they catch and ban everyone who does that) or 3rd. You lie.

You also said "I would bet more in the random chance of status of skills, lucky criticals, and player skill in pvp than those status", while I said "when you compare two players, same class, same gear, the one with the higher level will have the upper hand." Let's analyze those two sentences: same class/same gear means they will both have the same random chance of status of skills and criticals, so statistically speaking, the one having the higher level will have the upper hand,because of those extra stats, therefore I'm right when I say that level counts, up to this point. Also on your note on "player skill in pvp" a 190+ should have at least the same skill, if not more, than a 185 in pvp, so I'm right again, when I say that higher level means having the upper hand. Now, if you wanna counter this last sentence by saying, that there are 185 players who play for years and just staid at that level for dksq, while others didn't cared about dksq, and reached 190+ although they started later, please take note of the fact that dekaron isn't a F-16 fighter plane, you don't need years to master this game, a few months, 3-6 months at most is enough to master and fully understand this game, from pvp to pve to game mechanics to game market, everything.

*Note: "both geared" can mean, that they have similar, almost identical gear, but it can also mean that both of them have very good gears, while one of them still has an advantage over the other, gear-wise.

For example, 2 players, who have identical gear in every aspect, except the wings, one has flag of war, and the other has mechanic, but in rest they got perfect gear, they can still be referred as being "both geared" , however the one owning the flag of war has a pretty huge advantage over the other.

h2obrr · June 2017

Both geared means: Everything of the best one can have, besides brands, because no one have identical brands, but atleast 2 good status each piece.

Assuming that people will have identical brands and same player skills to make those balance statements is at least dumb, because this is something that will never ever happen. You just make my point stronger, level is totally ofuscated by the minimum diferrence in gear, which you cannot control.

Razeeer · June 2017

@h2obrr ok, it seems I went into details for nothing, you keep deviating from the subject, and you keep saying that level doesn't matter, without having proper arguments. I'm assuming that's because one of two reasons: 1: What I said so far is tl;dr or 2: you're stupid beyond belief.

Now, this is my last attempt to show you that level counts, and I'll be as briefly as possible, because I don't wanna jump to conclusions and say you're 2*.

Idk who you are (ign/level/class) nor do I care, but just for example sake, I'll name you Timmy, you're 2h ak, level 185, and you have perfect set. Now if you do 10 pvp against Jimmy, another 2h ak, but level 195, also with perfect set (identical set as you) the only difference being the brands, you will lose 8, maybe 9 out of 10.

The same can be said if you're the one with the higher level, 195 in this case, and you're pvping the 185, only this time you will be the one winning 8, maybe 9 out of 10 pvps.

Now, I can't be any more briefly than this, hopefully you will see that you were wrong. However if you keep insisting with your "level doesn't count" non-sense (it's non-sense, because, up to this point you haven't had a single strong argument to backup your affirmations),and you deny the example I just gave, you definitely belong to 2*, so I'll stop trying.

h2obrr · June 2017

I'm talking based what I see INGAME. You are making a theory based on numbers and scenarios which never will happen.

Anyway lets just end this, it's getting nowhere just wasting my time and your time.

To not say that level doesnt matter let put in those words 99.9% gear 0.01% level.

Have fun and be happy.

Razeeer · June 2017

Well, I think that level counts a bit more than 0.01%, but hey fair enough, if I made you understand that level does count, even a bit, that's good enough for me.

khobra2 · June 2017

@Toxiiikz allways the fails like u and energetic will find an excuse for why they cant win pvp . so the reason is because u are unskilled players . the facts is lvl dosent make any difrents that can affect u on losing or winning in pvp since in this days helion buf dosent add u anything u cant get before lvl 190 . now evry1 who dosent agree can lvl up and come lose pvp to me bye.

patrialegion · June 2017

@khobra2 wow!!! you must be crazy or something.

proxiedgms · June 2017

congrats!

My (Energetic) last 170-185 DKSQ match - Farewell 185

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