Prime EXP Potions..

AugustineVii · June 2017

Okay, I think we all know it and I really don't like saying this but, the Prime EXP Potions are going to ruin us. Papaya, this is the same issue we had with ogplanet. But this time it's much worse. You guys put a very ESSENTIAL item behind a massive paywall, and unless we are willing to shell out money to POSSIBLY GET 1. A lot of people are pretty much out of luck. The supply and demand are too tilted already and I can see it getting worse as more and more people reach the 200 mark. This should not be acceptable. I really hope you guys consider either just putting them in the fashion shop or making them a package of x5 in these boxes. This to me and I feel a lot of other players, is a pretty big issue. Please, if you guys are reading this. Really reconsider! Thank you.

wujekkromek · June 2017

They told us they'd follow KLT version more closely but you can already see the massive f-up on launch. Limiting items that are basically a necessity behind RNG boxes is a really bad decision.

Also here's a 2xe blog post that explains this situation really well.

I hope they change it up or we'll have another OGP-like server on our hands and players will quit again.

bone16 · June 2017

so your just crying? and there is no paywall to get lvl up lol.. let them fucking get some time to make everything work u idiot.. they litterly have been online for 1 day and u already complain more then a fucked up kid.

its Very easy to get Ely in the game. u grind, do dungeons, etc.

getting endgame is ment to take time. not 1 day. u idiot oh and prime potions are not essential, nor is IDR or any of it.

oh and again prime is not essential. nor is it going to ruin anything.. it was Ogpal who fucked up and did not get new servers, nor made the game any better..

Rubatin · June 2017

Agreed, I was actually going to make a thread like this today until I saw this.

It seems most people are busy enjoying the game and have yet to reach the levels where this is a problem, but I've been seeing it far too much already. The way primes are in the game now no cash player is going to give them out because they need them just as much as us. When they do manage to sell us the primes they will probably be overpriced and most of the players will end up suffering.

Another complaint I have is IDR. I understand that there isn't much in KLT but, is this really all we get? Me and group of friends did odin last night, and it was fun. Yet it was pretty disappointing hitting the chest and finding like 5-6 items for our 8 person party, most of it not even being useful to us. Is this all we get? Is attaining dungeon and farming materials now going to take roughly 6x longer? I've had fun on the game, but so far I feel like the game has actually become more difficult. I can't even look at the other changes and say I'm glad because Prime XP and IDR have become so limited. On the last server all I had to do was find myself an artifact. Assuming I could find the money, I would only need to spend 25m~40m just to get a whole week of 500% XP or IDR. Meanwhile on the current server everyone is trying to buy primes that hardly exist. It won't surprise me that I'll have to spend onward 10m~20m just for a 1 hour prime. What makes this even worse is that there's no IDR in the first place, so making money will actually take a lot longer than before.

Sorry ranting on about IDR in your thread, but I can't help but wonder if it's really supposed to take this long for us to progress through the game. A lot of people were going on about making this game like KLT but I legitimately see little changes that will make the game easier on anyone. As the game is now I have a feeling La Tale will be losing players rather quickly once the majority enters the 190+ area.

AugustineVii · June 2017

I am speaking for the community. I am already over 200 and more than well off. But clearly you lack the skills to comprehend what i am saying. @bone16. Also, its literally. Not litterly. I hope you take the time to really read my post. Have a good day.

TheGar98 · June 2017

I'm not even level 50, but yeah I know there will be some struggle at 200 and above with the lack of primes that will be circling around. @GM's, you've been doing so well about other things that the community has recommended, but please also listen to us with this, make primes more accessible.

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

Comparatively, primes were coming out the wazoo on the last server. Now, with no artifacts and the such, there's going to be a VERY high demand for primes.

Cyrilic · June 2017

Personally, i think the solution is simply more supply of Bound 500% xp potions via events.

I know that Papaya is keeping a stern eye on the issues that primes caused in OGP, so they're being conservative for good reason.

Bound Primes to satisfy the community demand without ruining the value of cash ones being tradable would probably be the solution that papaya would be least likely to object to.

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

Perhaps add a bound Prime to the 30 min log in event? It doesn't have to be a lot, and the players can start to save some up that way.

bone16 · June 2017

@AugustineVii

you are speaking out of you're ass.. u dont know anything imo..

primes are essential HAHAH what a loser are you?

theres a insane amount of quest which gets u to lvl 200..

and and come back when u have 6 lvl 205

AugustineVii · June 2017

You're very entertaining. @bone16 Anyways I stand by my statement. You can freely think as you wish. I just want everyone to enjoy the game. Yourself included.

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

@bone16 Hey, come on man. He's just trying to call out another potential economic collapse, which happened because there wasn't enough free items in the last server. Moveover, I don't think that questing alone will get you to 200. I had a few 190+ characters before, but none of them got there because of questing.

Arcypher · June 2017

Should Primes be freeium? I would actually like events that aren't cash wall blocked for primes. Instead, what about events that entice a player to commit to them to get primes? Like, enter a certain event instance that provides material that can be traded in for primes.

Yes, there will still be primes in the FS in some way, but an a free event of some kind could raise the supply.

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

Well, in the last server, there was that christmas event where you went to the tree and dug up some dirt to get capsules. The items those dropped weren't game-breaking, but they provided a lot of stuff, like super puzzles, primes, and other various goodies. Maybe they can include a trade up system? Trade in a few superiors for a prime, something like that? I know they did it with artifacts.

[LT]Eris · June 2017

Dear Players,

We are closely monitoring this topic for your constructive feedbacks. Please reply with your concerns and constructive solutions in detail. We will discuss the topic with developer further.

Thanks.

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

@[LT]Eris That is the most reasuring post I've seen in a long time in regards to Latale. Maybe we can start a suggestion thread? Like the old company.

AugustineVii · June 2017

Hey Eris, I'm sorry if my post sounds ungrateful. But I felt it had to be said. Not everyone is able to spend money on these boxes. I bought 40 and got what, 4 primes? I just feel gambling for something like EXP potions shouldn't be. (I rarely gambled before on Ogplanet) I think they should be more accessible for everyone, spender or not. It feels like a looming issue and I just wanted to address it before it got there. I know it isn't yours or any of the papaya staffs faults for this and I'm sorry if you guys are getting hate for all this. But Thank you for the very least showing us you guys are listening.

Arcypher · June 2017

@JimBoyCJ455

http://forum.papayaplay.com/index.php?p=/discussion/356749/suggestions-thread

I actually made a thread specifically for this. ;)

AugustineVii · June 2017

@Arcypher I think he meant a new subsection on the forums list.

Arcypher · June 2017

It's a start for something for the future. Besides, the thread can be moved over there if a subsection actually gets made.

AugustineVii · June 2017

Fair enough. I have to agree.

FantasyHeart · June 2017

@ Eris

I'd like to add on to what other players have said.

I haven't come up against the Prime Exp wall, but the Item Drop Rate here is SO LOW. Crushingly low. Can you guys tweak the game to 2X or 3X your current idr? If not, then PLEASE give us complimentary 2X,3X and 5X idr potions.

People want to succeed their monster cards and item codex and acquire guild point items!

On an unrelated note (since you say you're reading this topic) do you have any plans to bring back the Daily Quizzes? We used to have them at 3, 6, and 9 am and pm, so 6 total per day. I really miss the quiz. :(

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Other than that, the game and gameplay has been running very smoothly in my experience. I heard the server is on the east coast of the US and I live on the west coast and still *I* personally haven't really noticed any lag. That part is awesome. I hope the server stability stays this good!

Keep up the open communication and quick attention to any possible problems and La Tale should do well here. :)

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

@Arcypher Oops, I do remember seeing that thread, but it got buried quickly. Hopefully, the GMs will make it into a subsection. I totally agree with Augustine in that I meant to make a subsection (>_>). Anyway, here's to hoping.

Bodaff · June 2017

the extremely simple answer is to simply add prime xp potions (and packages of them) in fashion shop

prime xp is the standard upon which Actoz/KLT has been balancing quite some time; there's no reason to treat it as an extremely rare commodity

Right now, my biggest critique of this game as a returning player is that the fashion shop needs to be fleshed out further. There are many basic essential consumables like prime XP that aren't easily available for purchase (while being unreasonably rare in gamble) and other miscellaneous things such as emotes and fashion which simply aren't there anymore

cyrori · June 2017

indepth

https://latalein.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/microtransactions-over-time-a-talk-about-balance-and-player-retention/

Putting out a limited, constant, daily supply of grinding and farming to players and adjusting the cash shop to appear more amicable to all players and adjusting to maybe around 50% of the current average spending total + balancing it to that standard is one solution ( and a preferred solution ).

put in different terms:

However many boxes players are buying, adjust the supply and rates to meet the demand of players, in accordance with the cost with the target goal ( which should be sacred hall), in a lower expectancy due to the high influx of new players and initial buying drive.

On top of this, add a daily constant supply to players so that all players can do as they please on their own terms, but also reliant on some cash shop amenities (like things that make a player stronger, but isn't necessary) that are supplied well enough in accordance with the population and average spending total.

In terms of this prime problem, I'd say the exp [B] group should be constantly provided ( KLT does this with 888, 500, and 1000 anniversary pots, but allows them to be traded), but 200% exp [A] and syrups can be packaged somehow as the bonus on top through cash shop as the extra. If players want to grind with more than just the regular or want more time, there is the option always available, at a cheaper and more affordable price due to the nature of the potion being a lower exp naturally( cheap enough for a daily use basis).

Higher order exp potions are provided as a baseline, cash shop provides extra exp potions enough to supply players who want to do things more efficiently or have more time for grinding, and a little boost package to those who want it. Possibly higher order ones as well or a potential [C] group to catch the eye of needy players.

And yes, 1000 exp pots are absolutely necessary as KLT grinders who had at around 500 1000 exp pots in preparation for this update, (bought from the community and gained from events) and total 2200 exp gain while grinding: choco garden, sky coli, devil canyon, rivera hall, aurora, on top of constant high exp gain doing end game exp, will still take many months of daily grinding to reach 235, from 220. This isn't even counting efficiency in requiring damage to complete all those instances in 1 hour and gaining roughly 13T-15T exp per run though.

Anyways, more rambling on the blogs.

leesacodya · June 2017

O.o You only get primes from the gambling boxes!?

I'm hopping that gets changed. I remember before I moved to this server, I stocked up on 200% to 300% xp holy waters.

But I don't have that now, I wouldn't want to be stuck at a paywall. //sweats

Hope the @GM crew gets to it soon. You should take your time as well @GMs. :3

Aegelweard · June 2017

@Cyrori

Welcome back! I am glad you have not given up on LT entirely and still are keeping a close eye on it. Using this opportunity I would like to than you for all the things you have brought up and highlighted in your blog posts. I really do appreciate that.

This entire Prime/Paywall situation makes me refrain from purchasing LTC. Every time I go to FS I see things I would like to buy but when I look on the price tag I think I am not getting enough bang for my buck and leave. I am dead sure I am not the only one.

Experience and item drop rate potions, pets, various passive abilities (item controllers, attack masters, etc) must not be available to a small group of well-off players.

You can already see people selling leeches to gain money to buy overpriced 500% exp potions. @GMs must understand that with the current state of things vast majority of people will simply stuck and will not be able to progress past level 200.

JimboyCJ455 · June 2017

Well, it's still really early. It's literally been only around 2 days. We need to see how they handle it in the days coming. However, pointing out potential problems and providing solutions to said problems will help them in the long run, so, keep it up.

xUnity · June 2017

@Bodaff Hello, love. I'm glad to see you're back <3

papayarant1 · June 2017

Well, putting primes behind a lolbox and having a leveling event for an exclusive (non-obtainable) item is retarded...400 dura? wat...

There should be categories for paying users and non-paying users for events like these...otherwise, what is the point?

Just sell the weapon for LTC and be done with it.

This is going the same way OGP did with op gloves, +20 coli daggers and hoot-hoots being in hands of paying users...but them being op was not the issue. Those items being EXCLUSIVELY in their hands is the issue.

What is next? 400 dura mythic tsar/kaiser for biggest spenders event? Come on...give free users a chance. A good game does not need to sell their soul like that.

Nothing against those who pay. But this p2w model needs to go!!! Imagine how good La Tale would be with only cosmetic items being sold for cash?

I was hoping Papaya would have a fairer start, more up-to-date with other games practices.

This is p2w garbage.

cyrori · June 2017

https://latalein.wordpress.com/2017/06/30/enablers-and-motivation/

Just a small reminder of the differences between versions and what could easily be done to circumvent these issues ( on top of what I said previously)

Prime EXP Potions..

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