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About Seed of Dreams & new gear

ForumPokerForumPoker Posts: 99Approved Member Beginner
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Could any GM/DEV explain to us how the fk we are supposed to make new gear if we need freaking 300 Seeds per item?
Even obtaining the best gear is only possible through DShop these days, let alone upgrading it. Way to go if you want to turn this game in even more pay to win.

Either lower the amount or increase the drop rate already. Not soon and no "we are working on it", change it already ffs.
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  • hovnocucakhovnocucak Posts: 21Member Beginner
    My thoughts exactly.
    The way it is right now is not making any sense.
    Really? 300 seeds for each part for random stats? Lets say i will be lucky and i will need "only" 10 tries (so far ive made 15 weapons and all of them were pure shit, not even close to decent or average) to make nice stats, so thats 40 tries for set (not counting in helmet) and another 10 for weapon. That is in total 50 tries and 50 tries mean 15k seeds, are you freaking serious?
    You better change it very fast, or this game will die very fast as i have never been closer to quitting this game and i am not the only one...
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  • K1F1N4SK1F1N4S Posts: 28Approved Member Beginner
    I couldn't agree more with you about the seed of dreams Poker. To me it looks like the only thing papaya is having in mind is how to "scam" money from the players, not caring anymore if they enjoy the game.. I wish seeds of dreams was the only problem in this game but I could point out a lot more. We see all the time our GMs pretending to be doing their job well, asking our opinion about how the game could become better.. A lot of good suggestions are going around by players but in the end nothing happens. The only thing we see is DShop, DShop and again DShop. And the funny thing is that they keep introducing random boxes when players are constantly complaining about them. 
    Also the game is full of bots (like a GM could not log in Ardeca once a day for 5 minutes and ban all the bots shouting), hackers, illegal trades, and account seller/buyers. 
    Furthermore, when part 1 of A19 was introduced we had the option of receiving snowflake emblem lvl 1 and the upgrade option was available but snowflakes weren't farmable. What papaya did instead of making snowflakes farmable they just introduce a DShop box including 30 days snowflake emblem to take players' money and they remove the upgrade option.
    I could continue writing this post for more than one our pointing out how much shit this game became but not gonna bother anymore. I know papaya is not bothering and nothing will change as long as they are in charge of the game.

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  • iknowyouiknowyou Posts: 69Member Beginner
    The worst company fu papaya
  • KleptoManiaKleptoMania Posts: 155Member Trainee
    Just leave the game. Nothing would change since people that are running it are bunch of scammers and incompetent. Ban me I don't give a shit. You know everything I just said are true.
  • YerOldmanisHereYerOldmanisHere Posts: 174Member Trainee
    yea f u papaya. worst publisher ever. Scammers!!

    Have a taste of my Kameha-meha boom boom boom.,
    Black Wizard
  • steeldonkeysteeldonkey Posts: 7Member Beginner
    Back in the day we would do runs for a year to get a single rare item (in 50 feet of snow), and not a single complaint. Theses days, if we don't have it in 3 days we start a thread in the forum lol 
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  • RazeeerRazeeer Posts: 212Approved Member Trainee
    @steeldonkey yeah, back in the days you needed a few months to get to lvl 102 for the wings, also, back in the day having +7 full set gear would mean you're op, and I can go on and on forever, but guess what, we're not "back in the days", we're in the present so don't try to defend papaya.
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  • MondiVGMondiVG Posts: 214Approved Member Trainee
    Don't worry about 300 seeds that's the last thing I will complaining people don't get it for many years people keep spending money upgrading there gears there rings wings and so on....none Stop now NEW A19 came NEW things gear,weapon,wings,rings,mount many thing's preparing your self for a fight? Fight who ? Where ? Why do you need gears or weapons or rings ?You are not fighting the only things you do is farming and spending money upgrading gears weapons rings and so on when you get some of them NEW things will be on again and you keep continuo the same thing spending money and farming. THINK!
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  • h2obrrh2obrr Posts: 290Approved Member Intermediate
    @steeldonkey

    Considering that it takes 3 days to make one item, and you need to make many of them(20+) to get one worthy upgrade, and that upgrading without new talis is impossible, and you need tons of argates, I dont see your point of "making it in 3 days". In fact to get it in 3 days you need spent a crap load o money and to ever get it without money you need more time than old days.
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  • OceaniaOceania Posts: 51Approved Member Beginner
    The game has become a huge disappointment from every aspect. 
    I do not want to talk about the new full pay to win content neither how visually terribly looks like. What it bothers me is the management of the game. It happened to be that i used to play Dekaron under the name of all companies that owned the game and i can say, without a doubt, this company does the worst job than all of them. When we transfer from Nexon to Papaya/Ubifun however it's called we received 1.000DKC in all of our accounts and that was a really promising move for what will follow but the sad part is that nothing promising followed. What it followed was an absolute ignorance about the new action, meaningless events with worthless timed/permanent rewards, overpriced Dshop sales and game-changing items which they were included in random boxes with incredibly low chance rates. 

    People of Papaya, you have disappointing me, not just me, everyone around me that plays this game. You managed within a year to get rid of the most hardcore grinding people that i've met during my Dekaron time and not only just that you also managed to get rid of all these loyal players who were supporting Dekaron by purchasing low-cost valuable dshop items once in a while. All these people that they have been farming / PKing in maps are gone, all these people that they were logging in daily to participate in DK squares are also gone. I am not a person like MoseRS , which i gladly thank about his recent video-update, which blamed himself for getting bored of Dekaron. I am sorry Papaya but it's your fault people are reacting like this, you ruined a game that people support for nearly 12 years now. 

    @ForumPoker created a thread nearly 2 months ago that included a list of bugs that make the game look awful and tons of people, including myself, responded to that thread with hope that some of these bugs will be fixed the sooner as possible. Gentlemen, not only you haven't fixed a single bug of that huge list but you have also released the 2nd part of the that we have been waiting for like a year. Not only this is an unacceptable move from a company that they want to be considered as professionals but it's also very inappropriate. 

    GM Gismo have made also a thread talking about what things bother us in the game and most of the community responded to that thread having in common Random boxes, Overpriced Dshop sales, Non-existing farmable events. Not only we keen on seeing our common issues existing but recently i've seen in a patch note that saying something like "Your favorite Golden Key sales will stay on Shop" and that pissed me off. Who's favorite sales is that? No one likes to spend a ton of money on randomness even those who did i am pretty sure they haven't purchase the current product just because they needed to but because they had to. Anyway, why Gismo made a thread of things we do not want to see in the game and nothing change? Is this a joke? 
    Nothing personal with the current GM besides he does something compared to the rest non existing GMs. (A god knows how many we have.)

    To sum up, people of Ubifun/Papaya or however you called please, Dekaron doesn't deserve to be treated with ignorance neither to be seen as a game which provides millions of pounds. People are getting tired of you. It's in your hand to fix what's left in the game. 
    Please make it appropriately.

    Sincerely yours
    Oceania.

    P.S This is a feedback from me as a player with at least 10 years of constant Dekaron experience. Please do not see this as a hate text and accept it because everything of the text i wrote it's what it's being happening to the game. Thank you.
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  • YerOldmanisHereYerOldmanisHere Posts: 174Member Trainee
    stupid beginner with 2 post steeldonkey... 



    The sad truth is Papaya already knows better. They don't care. It's all about money now. Have you sent them one or two tickets? It's a clear description of how INCOMPETENT they are. Papaya doesn't know the game, they have no love for the game and more importantly they have no respect to the players...they only pretend like they do but they don't....no one among them give a shit. it's nothing but just plain money-making business thru scam now. Dekaron has been with us for more than a decade now and so there are still a LOT (around 50 or more I think....all over the globe) of players who still wants to play the game but sadly, Papaya's only target player are those who are hopeful enough to be scammed in their PayToWin shit.Papaya doesn't care about "balance" of the game....No. Forget about the exciting "freetoplay" Dekaron before where you have a atleast "fair" choice. It's about money now....money - that is what Papaya loves... nothing more.

    Kudos to MoseRS but he is just "obviously" trying to be gentle in giving his own feedback...well not all players are like him. Not all players can tolerate Papaya's shit.

    I believe that there is still time for Papaya to repent and turn things around, only that they don't give a damn. As long as there are still players out there who will keep on spending a few dollars for their RNG shit, hoping that they can win a prize after a few tries...papaya will not give up. Papaya will persevere all the negative feedback and will continuously give us all their new Dshop update that "everyone" according to them loves. I hope that they have balls to just cut their mask out and go PayToWin all out - but no..they don't.

    A gentle reminder to everyone. Be very careful... they are out there...monitoring all your logs, comments and accounts etc. etc.. They have that hammer much stronger than a DK's Meteo Force.

    I love Dekaron....
    I hate the current Devs and I despise Papaya as our current WORST publisher.

    Have a taste of my Kameha-meha boom boom boom.,
    Black Wizard
  • SojuPayToLoseSojuPayToLose Posts: 240Approved Member Trainee
    300 seeds per try to get good stat lol since a19 launched i crafted only 4 weapons so far shitty stat. Plus stupid sizzling package for 4k coin is ripped off without glory talisman% . Game has become very boring and no fun in dksq anymore.
    Are we having quitting dekaron orgy soon?

    Beloved Soju is here/F12 nowork4thewin is big favor from papaya team for me.
  • RazeeerRazeeer Posts: 212Approved Member Trainee
    @SojuPayToLose I think that orgy started 1 or 2 weeks after action 19 "Part1" came out, because that was basically the final nail in the coffin, not only did they make us wait 1 year for the so-hyped action 19, but when they released it, they decided to divide it into parts, giving us unfinished and buggy content. And of course the players were disappointed, and they have been disappointed by papaya staff for a long time now, resulting in the game becoming dead, now more than ever. I mean, to sum up how dead the game is, and I'm pretty sure lots of you experienced something similar, I'm shouting for more than 2 weeks that I want to BUY a full vit glove for my char(I have more than enough money), granted it's not the most common of items, but so far no one has even whispered me with a "Offer" or something like that, its ridiculous.
    And yeah, the fact that you need to spend a shitton of seeds and other items until you make a single decent helpy item,with the seed drop rate being what it is, the lack of content, the unhealthy pay2win game philosophy, etc.. none of this will make anyone come back.
  • klerzjeh2klerzjeh2 Posts: 20Member Beginner
    At least when u farmed those fkn 50kk for 102 wings u HAD those wings. Now you give 300 seeds which u need god knows how long to farm and u get npc-able item. RNG is the MAIN CANCER of this game, u can spend months or years farming and ure still better of just buying items than trying to + urself. If u put effort and time u should get something in return, here u put those two in and you can still end up with nothing. Add to that items obtainable only through dshop and u get a game which no1 in their right mind wants to play honestly. Only ppl left here are old players who get sentimental from time to time (like me) and others who wasted hundreds or thousands of RL money and are now too attached to quit. 
  • ColdSteelColdSteel Posts: 21Approved Member Beginner
    The only way to make them realize their mistakes and start working on them, if EVERYONE stops completly buying dshop. That way they wont have any income, and will realize they actually need to do something good for this fking game. But this is a dangerous game, if they see there is no income from Dekaron they also might just throw it in the trashcan.
  • someone119someone119 Posts: 66Approved Member Beginner
    Well its not only about Seed of Dreams its the droprate in General. Ok you gave us an Event where we could optain IB2 tickeds wich is not bad a Plus for that.
    And those Glory Talisman for new Weaps/Gear just in dshop is really a joke, sorry but i mean,
    do we have to spend infinite Real Money to just get the new Weaps etc. and the the game will die at the end (Regarding on the actually situation)? Where the "Free to Play" went?"
    And i will not start to talk about Spammers/Bots.
    So Please, Papayaplay do something and start listen to us Players/Costumers, specially on this thread else RIP Dekaron.

    Regarts,

    A loyal player for 10 years.
  • MtforumMtforum Posts: 32Approved Member Beginner
    From what I know the Korean and Chinese sever do not need Seed of Dreams for their crafting just more of the other materials like skin and eye. 
  • h2obrrh2obrr Posts: 290Approved Member Intermediate
    @Mtforum

    They dont need ANY seed of dreams and use less materials than here, for example for a wep they need only one nail, not 2 like here.


    We all know it is clear papaya made that to milk the players, it's all they have been doing, they can change the mats needed to make a weapon but cant fix the damn missing walls inside the dg...
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  • rayownsallrayownsall Posts: 33Member Beginner
    look how quick the fixed the key box, just another example of not giving a sht about the community, we only cows to them
  • pescasefuzpescasefuz Posts: 130Approved Member Trainee
    I stop playing the game till they fix those skin bugs from new dungeons (at least).
    WTF is this?! Releasing new content bugged and not fixing it asap, but instant fix when comes to d-shop related stuff.

    Another money thing that i hate a lot is D-shop items with no description, i must wait for other players to buy or check game files to know the stats of items. Items that cost a lot of money like wings, costumes, etc. (they don't care or just wanna scam players)

    Not to mention, that i'm considering quitting this game for good. I'm here from A3 and i'm totally disappointed how thing are turning for this game...
  • hovnocucakhovnocucak Posts: 21Member Beginner
    @Mtforum
    are you serious? This is fraking joke, they change ingrediements needed for crafting just to milk players...
    another proof how this company acts, i will not bother upgrading till it changes
  • ForumPokerForumPoker Posts: 99Approved Member Beginner
    Thanks to everyone for their feedback so far, at least I'm not alone with my opinion.

    Thing is I really want to play this game and also don't mind spending time and real money on it, but I want to have at least the feeling that it was worth it. Currently I don't see any reason to spend much more time ingame aside from doing weekday dailies and maybe Nunvice dg.

    I also don't mind farming 300 Seeds, if they were actually dropping half decent.
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  • tetsuyalk11tetsuyalk11 Posts: 5Approved Member Beginner
    Tbh,the use of seeds rlly sux,since almost a good part of comunity need em for PSDs(that are unable to get actually ing,but some ppl have it to upgrade),the drop rate im maps its pretty bad,sometimes in one big lure of mobs didnt drop a single one,"best way" atm to obtain it is at IB2 if u lucky to get Hidnil spawned in ur run u can get almost 25 seeds per run,but is boring asfk make ib2 over all day to get 300 seeds and spend in a weapon to get crap stats,me for example i needed to make 5 weps to get one decent to use,300x5 = 1500 seeds = the first upgrade of spell dragon,but atm i dont even got a single spell dragon bcs theres no horror honeymoon working im spending on that, Papaya clearly said that when ACT19 cames the lost horizon will be back,and guess what? we got it back but only the NPC bcs it doesnt work atm xD ,HHM was take out bcs of one strange problem,Papaya said on june HHM will be back in game,and guess again,we are almost in august and nothing yet,srsly i love this game,and i rlly like to play it,but Papaya is fking it everyday with all this falses promises,they even dont care for us,since Papaya took the game,almost al players did very good sugestions to improve the game and make it much better and again u can guess?Nothing of our sugestions is in game,there still tons of bugs in game and in dgs,but they only take care of DSHOP bugs.If u look inside of the game u dont see any of new players ingame,almost all the new accs walking in maps and playing is from old players,Papaya need to know that they are killing that game doing this,that just sux,i play this game since the times when DKSQ was like 14 VS 14 and sometime was more ppl playing than that,i remember times when we made 49 vs 49 on 170+ DKSQ was the best times of it,now they just care for DSHOP stuffs and to rape off our money, DKSQ giving low points now is pretty bad,is dead u just see ppl joining it for dailys,this fruit event was the most shit event ever,and why they extended it? i think its bcs theyre lazy to make new events,or new things for us,to be sincere here,if Papaya dont change somethings at this moment this game will die.
    Just my opinion,thx.
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  • ForumPokerForumPoker Posts: 99Approved Member Beginner
    So I actually tried to farm Seed of Dreams just now.

    30 minutes farming in Mitera = 0 Seed of Dreams
    16 minutes farming in Mitera = 58 Gemstones (started counting after 14 mins)

    Also I have droped 0 Mitera Pieces.

    I suggest to give Seed of Dreams the same drop rate as Gemstones, so you will actually have a chance to farm them.

    Biggest bullshit.
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  • NZX005NZX005 Posts: 135Approved Member Trainee
    @ForumPoker

    Actually we haven't had any mitera pieces drops since part 1 update so that's almost 4 months now.

    - no mitera pieces drops on all maps/dk server

    - no seeds of dreams drops on dk server

    Simple things that they could not even do.
  • jrharbortjrharbort Posts: 54Approved Member Beginner
    What's important for the company managing the game is for their staff to also play the game, so they can understand what the players are experiencing. This doesn't seem to be the case, as a lot of this would not have happened or been fixed very quickly.


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  • ForumPokerForumPoker Posts: 99Approved Member Beginner
    @NZX005

    Thanks for the info, didn't even knew they don't drop on DK servers.



    However I tried my luck in aqua just now, 30 minutes while I had both Lantea spots.
    Seg + CS + 6 Mob lure pizza = 15 mobs (and 2x +25% drop rate wings on top)

    Seed of Dreams = 16 (+1 from an Akris, so not really counting that one)
    Gemstones = 74


    Assuming you will have between 15 and 20 Seeds within 30 minutes farming thats 7,5-10 hours just for 1 weapon/armor try, not even talking about the time in 185 dg for the other materials.

    Assuming you need at least 5 tries for each item to get decent stats thats 37,5-50 hours per item.
    For classes with 1 weapon only (leaving out Helmet for now) thats 187,5-250 hours to get your +0 set with decent stats. On top of that you need to do 185 dg.

    Very nice.

    PS: IB2 is a cash dg, so I won't count that as a way to farm Seed of Dreams.
    PS2: Not even taking people without PSD into the calculation.
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  • ForumPokerForumPoker Posts: 99Approved Member Beginner
    Since I can't edited my post anymore...

    Killed about 250 mobs every 10 minutes.
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  • hovnocucakhovnocucak Posts: 21Member Beginner
    There is 1 thing that disapoints me more than the ammount of seeds needed to craft items.
    That 1 thing is, after 8 days there is still not a single reply from GM about them going to review the issue or something even thought, it has been discussed like milion times that communication is the key, the most important thing....
  • [DK]Gismo[DK]Gismo Posts: 240Approved Member Trainee
    Good Day everyone,

    I brought this, and other topics up during a 20 min call with the head of staff on Thursday. I push heavily on players frustrations from multiple points as well.
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