Forgetting the Mid lvl player!

HelloAll · October 2017

Somchai here again.

I see so much about resetting the server to make it fair?

But fair for who?

These people (who i'm sure are fine people in RL) constantly mention the new players being overwhelmed and the vets having to much of an advantage.....So they say the server must be reset.

Now if the vets make up 20% of the server and maybe some new ones come along adding 20% that still leaves 60% stuck in the middle.

I have played the game for a month now. And because of the time i have available and some cash too i've been able to put considerable hours in this month and also a reasonable amount of cash.

So in 1 month i've got R20 casting, R10 management, R10 HC and a good few other skills i've grinded rather than them ranking themselves as a play along.

I've also unlocked the whole map with 2 toons and unlocked nanban with my main and i'm working towards unlocking further ports in china so i can buy wuxu.

I've also bought bottles and now got a NC ship for trading in.

And with my alt i have spent hours and hours doing melee in BR's so i can rank my melee skills.

There is so many people just like me. and if the server is wiped i have to do this all again...INSTANTLY. No thanks :/

It seem's the ones that want the wipe have played for many many years and not had to grind these skills for a long time so will maybe enjoy doing it again (if so make a new toon)

OR ....and this is what i think it boils down too, they will never quite catch up to what they consider to be their main rivals, and out of complete jealousy would rather the server be wiped to take them off their perch.

I being in this game a month can say first hand....having people at a higher level than me does not ruin the game one bit!

But what i can say is i am someone who is willing to be active on world chat, willing to help others where i can and willing to to support the game financially.....but will i start a fresh and open the maps i've only just unlocked and grind the skills i've just finished grinding?

Well i'm not sure.

But i'm confident the game will lose more players than it gains and be worse off in the short term and long term.

Katanauwo · October 2017

OP has a very good point.

Server wipe = business suicide.

We need to remember that there were always a group of vocal young / new people in every revolution in human history, who though the most fair system is to start from scratch. Suggesting such reset would not cost them anything because they had close to nothing to lose. However, what they brought to the society instead was endless chaos.

In my opinion, the publisher should care less about the so called "new" players who plan to stay free-to-play forever. Listen to the established players, i.e. mid and veteran players, and probably a few elite new players who actually open their wallets.

Business should always value (paying) customers' feedback (not freeloaders').

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx · October 2017

All existing players need to be happy with what Papaya chooses to do, for this game to grow and keep growing.
Long Term players need new avenues and challenges to explore. (like maybe under the sea, or fighting sea monsters, or mystical events)
MId-Term players need more encouragement and success, without so much grinding required, to keep playing
New players need to receive more instant success, and rewards for starting play, without feeling like dummies because no one explained the game well enough.
Going backwards with a wipe, and having everyone start over is not the answer.

danhm001 · October 2017

so for older players new content

for mid term maybe info.....access to ships or dungeons

for new players ill say bonus exp until lvl 50 or so......

HelloAll · October 2017

TBH xxxxxxxxxx Im afraid i don,t completely agree. Now i,m no vet....so maybe they would like some more exciting new content

But anyone that loves this game and has stuck around in this game has done so because they love the fact they have to earn the skills and levels they have.

If this game starts to speed up the process of levelling and taking away the difficulty of the grind just to cater to the impatient 'I WANT IT NOW' generation, then the game is spoiled for me.

The beauty of this game is the fact that you can be impressed at someone who has worked so hard to achieve SB R20.

And the talk about the content...well we already a new update is coming upon release.

For for me the difficulty of the game need not be changed.

If people want instant success and the best of everything on day 1 go and play GTA.

Lerxst · October 2017

I'm an "old vet" but a mid level player, with only having one main toon and one practice jack-of-all-trades I never really played, short of testing skill branches - never liked spreading too thin and prefer the roleplayability of one character than, having 2 zombies follow along.

What you're describing as mid-level is not really mid-level; that's what the inflation created as the "new" mid-level. Grinding the skills you have, unlocking the ports and having the ships you have, are what a traditional late-game character would/should have in this game.

Cash shop, exotics and a bunch of other rare goods flooded the market years ago and still persist in the game, that make doing everything you have done, 100 times easier than they were on a fresh server. All the items, for instance, that give you bonuses to your skills so you can grind the higher level skills faster and easier, would take you almost as long to obtain at teh start, as you have already spent playing the game.

Large ships, EA ports (etc.), advanced skills, and leveling 3 toons to the point where they can each sail them, are all late-game abilities that people did when they reached the limits of what the game would normally allow; and those were the exceptions, that didn't constitute the average player in the server.

The fact that you have been playing for a month and are already at that phase and consider it mid-level, is the exact reason for this amount of contention n the game among the community.

If you doubt any of this, take a look at the in-game quests and rewards. Do you think, if leveling naturally and only affording what the gameplay awarded you, a major quest like Circumnavigating the world, would be a cakewalk that you can just do on the side during an EA/nanban run? The reasons for quests like that being in the game is to introduce players to that depth and scope of the world, not just be a side-note that they can ignore or an inconvenience.

HelloAll · October 2017

Lerx, I see your point to a certain extent and yes the use of money from selling Astro items sped up the progress of my alt but not the progress of my main quite as much.

But to solve this problem you need to remove Astro items, which will close the game.

Also all being said I am one of many of that type of player in this position and believe me I have put many many hours in this month as I was of work with a chest infection.

So there will still be many like me that may not return if I have to repeat the processes I’ve only just come through.

PiesRats · October 2017

Lol Few are older than me left on this game, and i support a wipe. I don't know of a single person out there, that'd i'd want wiped cause they are better than me, As i've said before , all battle skills at or refined max, i have all crafting skills except cooking refined/max, i have all trade skills. i got 4x g6 ships, 1 g4 battle ship, and loads of cargo nanban nc ships for my alt. So i'm not a new player i've very old veteran, and i'll gladly redo everything to have the game back i used to play. the one that was super fun, remember??

HelloAll · October 2017

Well you have experience on me pietherat so I’m not going to try and tell you that you are wrong.
But also see it from my point of view please, if it’s wiped I haven’t even had time to enjoy what I’ve grinned so far, I would just have to repeat the last month and I’m not sure I would.
If there is no wipe and you are bored pietherat please feel free to help my pirate alt grind my skills :)

Lerxst · October 2017

@PiesRats

When I left the game after about 5-6 months of play, I had unlocked India and done a good deal of Spice Trading. My casting was r10 and I just started my shipwright grind. I had about 8 mil in the bank and was considered "rich"It took almost 6 months of regular 8-10 hour per week playing, to reach that level and that was only on one toon.

There were even rumors that they sped up sea travel for the Western release, vs. the Asian servers.

That's an exponential difference between what this game was supposed to be like vs. what it currently ended up as.

I guarantee that if you play the game from the start on a fresh server without any of the spill-over, youd swear you were playing an entirely different game - where quests mattered, a story was interesting, ports needed to be bought off by nations, goods can only be traded for decent prices between those favored ports and everytime you set off to sea, there was a real challenge you were presented with.

HelloAll · October 2017

The changes that lerx and pie suggest do make sense.
But after the time I’ve only just spent grinding I’m not sure I’m ready to start it all over again.
I believe many will feel the same.

Now maybe some will say I’m not loyal to the game and shouldn’t be here if i have that attitude.

But with the time and money i’ve Spent this past month i’d be cheesed of and lose my enthusiasm to say the least.

I don’t know the good old days you speak of, but if it was a wipe I’d feel a little cheated.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

i'm with lerx and pie they speak what many of the vets want to voice at this point in time this server has changed owners twice in 7 years as for the removal of the cash shop, japan server doesn't have any cash shop items or ships and is working perfectly fine. as for the wipe i have been playing 7 years i've refined and maxed casting handi sewing cooking, my battle skills are up to par with many of the max lvl players, i'm a mid lvl player but an old vet and in the time it takes now to grind skills its too quick there is no challenge.

this game needs a wipe on gama it needs a fresh start and yes HA u played for about a month or so and have already gotten r20 casting r 10 management r10 Handicraft in a month where for us when we first started it took months to get even handicraft or casting to r10 because there wasn't a surplus of items that boosts ur skills wasn't huge cash shops over flow of ships. and u wouldn't see a players bank top 100mil in months, spice trading was the most rewarding of the trade runs and that was pepper from calicut.

as a vet and a wallet warrior i would spend more money on UWO if they wipe it because then that gives me a slight boost not a huge i can solo everything myself but a slight boost. it would also remove the surplus of astro items and ships and setting the server back would also reset the ports so each nation would have to work to get those high rolling trade routes unlocked giving everyone something to do rather then sitting in seville trading astro items and ships back an forth to make their money. there won't be a huge market or price because the server would be too poor. no ship should ever cost more then 6bil even astro ship in current server but we got ships going for almost 100bil a piece.

this game needs the wipe to fix what ogp did to the game.

crazyhunter2003 · October 2017

I have been playing uwo since jan 2012,thus am a vet player.YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME,NOR FOR MANY OTHERS OF US!

I do not want to see a wipe

WendyWindblows · October 2017

I have played since closed beta. Just for giggles i made a new char on steam , and got to lvl 30/30/30 in 7 days, without help from my main except for items i would of gotten from a company to help me . Getting EA open in 1 month just goes to show how fast you can progress through the game. with charting for adv and BR for maritime you can gain lvls quickly, BUT beware the dark side of doing so, as it makes your skill ranks/ lvl ratio lower than if you did the old fashioned grind on npc fleets without a quest. free ships for finishing school , reward chests for gaining total lvls etc, make the game a lot lot easier than when i first started. no grinding IMP quests to get the attainment up for your nation( fun times ). I think a lot of players who make rapid progress at the start and neglect their skills for the sake of lvls , soon find out it takes a long time or a lot more PO's to fill up for a nanban run with low trade skills. maritimers who rely on BR, soon find that the BR quest they can complete give very little exp, as their battle skills suffer for the high exp for these quests.having said that , the OP has some good production skills, and should be able to buy sufficient quantities of goods. Just beware the shortcuts , can leave you frustrated later. Its a long road to end game, enjoy the journey and have fun

WendyWindblows · October 2017

PieRat, Yes the game was Fun when it was new, but it took ages to do anything , 90 min trip to india in a sambuk for example, my first trip was in a NAO which was dire. but the game will sooon digress to what it is now , the players who force prices up will do the same from the beginning. instead of PO's being 150k which they were on day 1 , they will be 250k on day 1 of a wiped server. instead of Xebec @ 8M it will be 10M , so a wipe wont solve inflation . pirates will still pirate and pve players will still whine like mad because they lost a few pixels.i realy wish some of the newer playes had a chance to see what it was like at the beginning, no iron in north europe, you had to make iron , books , ships, items, trade goods , had to be unlocked by port developement ( investment) i cannot see new players doing maritime final with battle barca and candles , cos the minnion cannons dont do any damage. and no battle sails either, no big armour plates. the list goes on . Yes it was fun , BUT exp players who sell stuff for in game currency, know that they can force up prices like they have always done . the problem is player greed , and players who will pay to get it, nothing else. A wipe wont solve anything

HelloAll · October 2017

Thank you all for your comments.

I’ve played a few mmo’s before. Got to level cap on WoW without any boosts or assistance. Also played a bit of LOTR online.

I’m a grinder. I do my research on the Internet, follow guides and tips, pick the path I want to go and then I put in the work.
Once I’ve achieved what I feel is a good base I relax a bit and take a bit more time to enjoy the game. It’s jusg the way I like to do it.
So the skills I have in uwo have come from jusg working hard at them day after day.
I won’t lie I boosted trade xp a little, but my toon skills are good on both as I value skills over visible levels.

That’s why I’m reluctant to have a server wipe.
I don’t want to have put all the relentless grinding back in again so soon.

I was pleased I’d gained the skills I wanted as a base and was ready to move on to the next stage.

I don’t want to have to do it all again so soon.

But please don’t think my toon’s are where they are solely because I sold some Astro items.

Because I used no plus items on my way up and still have most of the money I got from it.

Yes I got a few xp, skill boosts.

But I’d do that each and every time anyway if they are available.

I totally get why the vets want the old game back. But I think a wipe is extreme.

The vets if they choose can always make a new toon and not use a main to help them along. Just do it raw with only the money gained from quests.

Because let’s be honest, wiping the server doesn’t mean we will get the changes the vets want.

It might just be the same game but we are all lvl 1.

In weeks it would be back to what we see now.

ZimXero · October 2017

There might be a few who actually want a server wipe, so they can leave UWO at the top of their game and go on to other games... without the unsettling feeling that they "need" to keep playing to compete with themselves or others. Just food for thought. Personally, I would never advocate a server wipe unless it came with a rebalance of all astro ship levels and incorporating them into the build system, removed from the "buy a ship" program that exists today.

krazybastid · October 2017

Frozen Ruby you need to stop scaring ppl about a wipe thats not ok. A wipe will devistate the loyal player base i've battle grinded to level 50 my levels are 48/62/50. I spend Astros on Carronade 16s MTT MST SSIP Purchase Orders and many more a clone of OGP astro shop is most definitely required.

Delaine · October 2017

i agree with everyone else but ruby(sorrys) but a wipe would honestly nuke the game and honestly make it dead let them make a new path with what we have now iv been here for 3 or 4 years now and one person will not speak for the rest of us we each have our own voices. we do not need no one speaking for the community but the entire community itself no more no less

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx · October 2017

Lets all think like an exec at Papaya Play.
If you all want new and better content, Papaya Play will need to hire some great programmers away from other more successful game companies. That costs money, lots of it.
How will Papaya Play make this money?
1. By selling lots of stuff that almost every player wants or needs.
2. By giving experienced players a reason to keep investing.
3. By attracting new players through advertising or promotion.
4. By competing to retain new players with success and rewards to keep their enthusiasm. growing.
5. By word of mouth advertising (the best kind by far) when existing and new players want to talk to and show others how great the game is.
6. and finally, by not discouraging anyone from continuing to play.
Studies show that only 3 to 5 % of players will buy stuff or invest real money in the game, so either UWO needs a lot more players, or the percentage needs to change, by motivating all players to invest.

Appreciate any suggestions on how Papaya Play can be achieve any of the above.

zampo13 · October 2017

I`m not going to send 1 dime or any more time on this game if I have to start over again , if all of you ppl want to start over again form nothing that's your right , but I`m done if that happens. I worked hard to get my main toon to 40/66/60 and alt 42/60/58 and if I can`t trans my toons and have to start over I`m done

shizenhakai · October 2017

Hm, my first post is somehow still unaproved, so I try here again :D

I think I was early end-game when I left. Tried to get into the game but it was hard to start anew and boring to try the old char... I think I will skip on the character transfer, my library of skill boosters and my money (the little that was left after some buying sprees :D) helt me back at enjoying the game.
But I can understand that some people would prefer to keep their stuff.

---the following ramblings are not for maritimers, sicne I have little knowledge about that..---
Putting that aside there is one thing I say: don't grind.
You may grind a couple of battle levels for a new ship, or maybe management for that one skill, but I think this game is less about grinding and more about.. patience.

You can have fun with low-skill levels, with mid-skill levels and high skill-levels. Take your time, do the quests and don't try to rush to the endgame - because true grinding gives fatigue and lets you skip part of the fun.

Also, don't gain your trading levels through dungeons or by buying trade goods from players..
Getting good deals is hard at the beginning, but you level yoru skills and you will expirience the joy of a really succesfull deal!

I for one are looking forward to play a level one sailor without the burden of old success.

I would loe to experience the early states of the game, but I can't demand that other people lose everything just for that.
But I do say to the other old players: Yes you lose everything, but I bet that most of you have forgotten the low-level experience, so be more positive! the game is not all about the endgame, quite the contrary! =)

So, enough rambling, especially since I'm not even sure anyone will be able to read this :D

telatoro · October 2017

Well wipe would be soke kind of solve for some few troubles, but will bring lot more and also will be a backstab to all players that supported the game with real cash buying astros and thats is independently of the years/months playing. So this players will be more likely to be keep investing on the new cash shop policies that will be implemented than new ones, and if there is a wipe it will be reduced greatly the income in short term. It will depend on how be implemented the cash shop and and how they attract the new ones to fullfil the gap. So probably they will decide if wipe or not depending a deep database analysis of players and their buying beheavors. So if a total wipe implemented i would pray for some cash shop compensation in relation of items hold at the transfer time, lets say like a 25% value of total cash shop holdings in account as gift, and a increase 50% xp on server.

telatoro · October 2017

As supporting player (one that buying astro) im against server wipe, but well if still it happens i would pray we get at least a 25% value of our total holdings cash shop items as a new cash shop gift. Although still it will hurt a lot doing again those series of adventure quests.

BustyLaRue · October 2017

Been around since server start, losing my LVL 85 Adv would hurt a lot but wouldnt stop me from playing.

The thought of grinding SB and Alch again would just make me not want to bother with the game anymore.

Forgetting the Mid lvl player!

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