I am going to suggest some thing here

SUNDOGG97 · October 2017

I am not going to bank on the server opening up on Oct 18th. What people just do not transfer because of the server reset, if the interest is not there.

I am not trying to fear monger but for some already who have stated they quit, it will never open up again

Too much trust has been lost I think, total callousness towards the community

The Worst Day in UWO HISTORY

khylah · October 2017

No, sorry I cannot do that.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

i as a vet will still play on UWO under papaya plays i will also spend money on a monthly basis if need be for my enjoyment, whether other vets stick around or leave is up to them shows just how lil they truely loved this game.

SUNDOGG97 · October 2017

Here another idea,if I am going to start over, I may as well go on another server like the Japanese one where it is more updated.

khylah · October 2017

Sundog that's great, but we can't read Japanese. If you can this is a great option for you. Good luck :)

SUNDOGG97 · October 2017

But you can read Japanese, learn. the game is the same but more updated.

You said, you did not care how many played since beta. Do not pretend now.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

@sundog u do realize the japan server has no astro shop or ships or boosts its also has a subscription requirement to play per month

LyonesseJoseph · October 2017

Not only that ,but you will need Citizen ID before you complete your new account register. Good luck with that.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

i have a passport my citizen ID and my SIN if need be trust me when i say i will go to any lengths to play UWO

SUNDOGG97 · October 2017

I know a lot of things. For sure they just killed this game, if not the spirit of the community.

Usually I am the one that is more upset then most.

I think it is all a trust issue now.

People do not play games to have all their progress deleted.

That is not the way games are played.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

i play plenty of games that wipe pretty regularly pay ot play and free to play its not like it was the end of the world with wipes just rebuild

Goosio · October 2017

Oh, there is very much an Astro Shop in the Japanese server. It's powered by something called Navigation/Voyager Coins. I was looking at it just the other night; saw ship ornaments used to create Fu ships, among other items.

JP players also often seem to put items in bazaars for 1m or less that we'd normally find in Astro bottles. And since their Alchemy works different, you can even find things like EX weapons/gear for sale at amazingly low prices. 35m for nocturnal wood panels, 50m for a Sanctus EX... pretty amusing really.

As for Citizen ID registry, it isn't that hard to do; I can give some pointers if anyone's really interested.

crazyhunter2003 · October 2017

in those mmos that u played that had regular wipes ,did it take 4,5,6 yrs to get to top lvls??? doubt it

FrozenRuby · October 2017

actually it took longer here is a good example of a long term game that u can play for free but has an ingame shop and u can loose what u spend on ur bases whether it be real currancy items or not anyone here played EVONY i'm a 10year veteran of evony i have spent more money on evony then in the 7 years of uwo, alot of that money went to waste when i lost cities to the enemy so yes, quite painful but it was part of the game servers have been wiped several times

crazyhunter2003 · October 2017

and you just sheepishly sit back and accept it

skw45610 · October 2017

The nature of UWO is different from any other typical MMOs, but currently UWO is following the path of Allods Online in 2010 - unpopular decision made in a single update leading to mass quit of community.

UWO will probably survive eventually, but definitely I wouldn't be part of it.

Farewell UWO and Papaya.

P.S. If they have mentioned about the reset before or when they gave the transfer link, I wouldn't even bother to transfer. It's just a waste of time. Founder rewards are not worth more than $0.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

@crazyhunter2003 not blindly following the herd here just accepting what has happened no point complaining no point in crying about it, i don't have the time to look back with regret,

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx · October 2017

If we want this game to grow and improve, new players have to be excited to join and be encouraged to continue to play, and lastly Papaya Play has to make money.
So far I haven't read or heard about how that can happen.
There is a lot more competition for a gamer's time and money than there was12 years ago.
Maybe when I see what is changed in the new game, I will be more excited, but until then, I must say I am a bit worried about the loss of support from veterans.
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crash941 · October 2017

xxxxxxxxxxx i am with you on the loss of vets i thought that they would support the game more as they have put so much into the game, i understand that they have all lost a great deal but ogp did not do any of us any favors, lets hope papaya play keeps it all going

FrozenRuby · October 2017

they may keep the game going but its going to be on a freshly wiped server. players can either accept it or find another game to play. simple as that

ZimXero · October 2017

Thanks for this enlightenment, Frozen. I'm sure we are better now. All I have to chose from is to be happy the game is being reset.. or find another activity. Very useful advice. BTW... you don't happen to have a UWO "offline" game for sale do you?

Laviol · October 2017

I played UWO through netmarble days and it was addictive.

@frozen i find it hard to believe you play all these games while if you actually put effort into UWO it takes all your time.. did you just sit in seville most or your 7 years?

FrozenRuby · October 2017

nope i sailed the seven seas grinding to lvl 54 battle lvl 76 trade and my entire lvl 52 adventure is from sailing between ports

FrozenRuby · October 2017

@ZimXero yes i do its called Naval Action

Centex3kgt · October 2017

Why has trust been lost? Papaya has stated that OGP shut down their server and lost our data in their "Why should I transfer my OGPlanet ID?" FAQ. this is what they posted:

Due to OGPlanet's discontinuation of service on September 29th, all Uncharted Waters data on their servers been lost. All previous player invested time and contributions to Uncharted Waters are very important to our team, and in order to receive your Founders Rewards, you must transfer your ID to Papaya Play through the provided transfer service.

theedgedemon · October 2017

@Centex3kgt because that is bullshit, they after all got tiered rewards for old players, how would they tier the "rewards" without original data?

the data for OGPlanet migration transfer?

it comes from their own servers the url is "https://io.papayaplay.com/json.do?callback=?" in case you bother to check.

Goosio · October 2017

It's common practice for companies to keep backups of their data for up to six months maximum, one month minimum. The nature of legal contracts means that if OGP deleted that data after agreeing to give it to Vertigo/Papaya, they would be in hot water with lawyers for doing so in violation of contract.

As ConcernedTraveler noted elsewhere, this is shaping up to look like both companies agreed in advance to a wipe, thus explaining the purported data loss; if so, then OGP got to rob its users one last time, while Vertigo/Papaya tried to sweep this under the rug and hope nobody realizes it, thanking them instead for "saving" UWO.

Not to mention, OGP would've likely sent their data backups to KOEI-Tecmo for debugging/patching work as well. Do they really not have any of that data left with which to salvage GAMA's existing state? That seems hard to believe, with a game this complex and fully developed.

Centex3kgt · October 2017

@theedgedemon: The login system and the game data are not the same thing. Login data is stored on a separate server than the game most of the time. When you log in, it pulls the data off an sql database on the hosting server (probably the same server OGP's website was on). That data, which includes your sign up date, user name, email, and other data could easily been salvaged without the game servers.

SUNDOGG97 · October 2017

I think legally, all records, data, related to a company has to be held for a certain number years even the company is dissolved.

I am amazed how some of you, just do mind having so much taken away from you.

I am willing to play a game that just screwed me around and everyone one too.

Please do it again.

classicdriver · October 2017

I believe there needs to be a re-balancing of the monetary system.
Another aspect of that is Gold farmers. They really have to get a handle
on that to have any sanity in the price structure and markets. If
Papaya was smart they would get some investors together and revamp the
game from front to back while trying to keep the same 'feel' of it. I
think there is a real market for UWO. It has to be kept friendly to the
casual player looking for Dolphins while being long-term meaningful and
balanced to hard core players.

I am a veteran player of Eve online, Star Trek Online, WOW and played others. As a Jr. player of UWO I understand this is a terrible thing to happen for many players. I know I'd have to take a break before 'testing the waters' again if I lost all my stuff and skills in Eve. This wonderfully unique game could have ended forever right here, I'm glad it didn't, or so it would seem.

I really like UWO but I quit playing after 6 or 8 months. One reason is the PvP is just so clunky, outdated and silly. I hated playing ring-around-the-rosey. I hope they can update the battle system and it's graphics.
I like the simple graphics rendering of the towns and characters, it's quaint and endearing, with the added benefit you could play the game on a potato. But the battles need to be more current.

The second reason is more important. I did a pretty good job of generating an income going port to port trading. I made a Million in one good day. Then I looked at the price of a decent, competitive SEA worthy trader... well the difference between my 2 little traders and ALL of the big boy ships is astronomical. a Billion is 1000 Millions.
The price structure is so unbalanced that there was no way to do it without a huge amount of help from me mates and/or a BUNCH of real cash. I don't mind forking out $10-$20 a month for something I love to do, and I don't mind working together and getting help from veteran players, and 2 or 3 in my company were always willing to help out. But I couldn't in good conscience have them do all the heavy lifting for me. The truth is that I couldn't even afford to feed my aides without help.

And... I will not pay $50 or more a month for temporary storage and power-ups. Either you give plenty of storage with a sub or you sell permanent storage in 5 or 10 dollar increments. Just be reasonable on all the micros, don't be greedy. Pay to win sucks too. For Pete's sake learn something from OG's mistakes.

Good luck all, I really hope this game works out.

eesnAccept · October 2017

Hopefully some people will stick around because I can't imagine where Papaya is going to get new players from. Some who play their other games might try UWO, but that's not very promising for profits. The only time I recall UWO getting a flood of new players was when they added Steam, and that won't work now. For those of who have played 7 years, one of NM GMs once posted a sad fact about UWO (probably wasn't supposed to) - that 50% of new players quit in the first 2 weeks of play. That was back before all the fancy astro stuff and FS builds - an indication that top level players with their wealth are probably not the reason new people quit.

I am quitting mostly because of the wipe. There's a lot of stuff they could take from me and I wouldn't care, but after my first 2 years I achieved my goals and only continued playing because I found adventure was not only fun, but educational. I have a favorites folder UWO and it has UWO info sites plus many others, like an animal data base for researching things I learned playing the game. Sure, they sometimes messed with historical facts, but not in mind numbing ways. That is why I can't start over. Adventuring is the only reason I was playing anymore and doing all the quests/maps again isn't about learning, it's just going through the motions.

But I was close to quitting before the wipe, so like always, I don't count. I don't know why, but Industrial Age made the game feel different. Other things like the canals, long schooners and such were a stretch, but with the recent patch it no longer seemed like UWO was a game about The Age of Sail and so many of the recent patches didn't add anything interesting - gold digging is mostly a bust and the future gem mining probably will be too. What really bothered me was the adventure discoveries were far less interesting or mysterious - my saved websites weren't being used much anymore.

So I'm not going to criticize those who stay or those who, like me, are going to leave. Certainly money spent should be an issue for many, but it's not just the money, it's the years of in game items we've now lost and the work put into our characters. I adventured when you could still get lost in a big landing site for an hour - my toon earned most of the levels the hard way and she doesn't care if it's easier now.

It's also about Koei/NM/OGP ruining/damaging/breaking the game and instead of being creative to get things closer to where they want it to be, they punish the proven, loyal players. I wasn't super rich in ducats and sailed shipyard boats. I also didn't let the ducat wealth or super ships of others bother me. Papaya has decided to take everything and none of it is real, so they get away with it. Imagine a company pulling that on their loyal customers in real life matters involving either hard work or money spent - it's a poor business practice, but in gaming it seems to work okay (UWO is the only online game I play, so that's a guess.)

One thing I don't believe is that Koei is behind the wipe - if they have any guilt it's probably in agreeing to allow it. Papaya has done this to other games, so it was probably them requiring it to host the UWO. I'm not positive about that though - around where I live Koei is an unknown entity. I say Koei to anyone and they either give me a blank stare or think I'm talking about goldfish. I like Koei games but I'm not sure they're that good at marketing their products (maybe in other locations they are?)

I hope enough people stay to keep the game going. Of the four people I convinced to play, I was the only one left - the others liked it, but felt it was too time consuming to continue. I will be one of those who logs in on the 18th, then after I have a good cry, I will be gone too.

I wrote too much, but that's cause Papaya didn't post my other 6 attempts and maybe this one won't work either - probably doesn't matter much. I was mostly invisible in the game too.

I am going to suggest some thing here

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