Restart drama and the impact it can have on new players

Centex3kgt · October 2017

The one thing that worries me about the restart is the fact that there will be lots of people in school chat whining about the restart. These people will inevitably try to influence new players and fearmonger to them saying that the game will be dead soon, or the new host doesn't care and "will restart the server whenever they want".

What bothers me about this is I know that there will be people who will enter the restart with the intent of driving new players off, in effect trying to kill the game out of a vindictive attitude.

Please everyone, try to rise above your base instincts (the ones akin to the liberal attitudes in a small portion of America that think "If I can't have it my way, I should try to ruin everything for everyone!")

If you stay, stay because you love the game, not out of a selfish desire to ruin the experience for others.

Thank you!

ZimXero · October 2017

Good point, most of it. Sorry i diliked your post. Now, you can dislike mine.

Centex3kgt · October 2017

Zim, no thanks. I'm not going to dislike your post, because you have given me no real reason to :P

BlakeC · October 2017

I still think the game will be dead in a matter of months, but if the others want to try to make the best of it during that time, who am I to try to rain down on everyone elses parade? I would like to be wrong and hope this game thrives.

Centex3kgt · October 2017

BlakeC: You might be right, that it will be dead in a matter of months. But I know there are people that will try to make the best of the game, my wife, my oldest daughter, two friends of mine, and myself being the least of them.

There are also lots of people on here that are excited for the challenge, people who might come back after leaving because of the way OGP handled the game, and new players that Papaya will try to bring in.

It is my hope that the people who stay, come back, or start end up being enough to keep this game alive.

At least there was another host willing to take a stab at the game. It could have been MUCH worse, as in NO ONE stepping up and taking it over, and OGP just shutting the door on GAMA. No game, no notice. We are the lucky ones, so many games have gone that way with no warning.

theedgedemon · October 2017

@Centex3kgt

problem was the method, you see.

if they had :

A) stay shut about their intentions.

B) let OGP server die in silence and

C) emerge as a new server trying to revive a dead game after the deed.

people would had been actually grateful with them for giving another shot to a dead game we all used to love.

but the game already had host migrations before and they both OGP and PAPAYA gave the players the impression it was gonna be like the previous times, 3 weeks ago i was disusing about how our company would reach top level with next update, and very few people ever imagined thing would go out this way.

its their digital world, they are free to do what they want with it. but they will have do so without my money.

Goosio · October 2017

I'd say the reset and the way it was performed will do all the damage necessary to ruin the game for new players. There's no need for people to hang out in school chats and be negative.

Centex3kgt · October 2017

@theedgedemon:

I understand your viewpoint, but also, if they had gone by your game plan, those who have played for a long time would have completely given up, and possibly never even heard of Papaya, or that they were restarting the game. This would have lost them even more people.

theedgedemon · October 2017

@Centex3kgt

"those who have played for a long time would have completely given up"

they did with the current way too, and left angry at that!

i have before found new servers for old games i used to love through adds, and jumped back in for nostalgia sake, but returning after a rage quit to give the same company that you feel has wronged you money?...

Centex3kgt · October 2017

@theedgedemon:

"they did with the current way too, and left angry at that!"

Oh, I am sure you are right, to an extent. Some, and maybe even a bunch of people will give up and leave angry.

BUT, a lot more people are aware that it is coming back, and even if angry, a lot of them will come back. If the server had died quietly, and then 3 weeks later this new company popped up and said they were restarting it, there would be a lot less people aware of it from the start.

That means, for example, hypothetically:

1. If it died quietly:

a. 100% of people would think its gone for good

b. less than 20% would find out it was back right at the beginning (relying on people stumbling across it within the first few weeks)

c. Game limps along with very few active players for an untold amount of time before repopulating

2. The way they did it:

a. 100% of people know its coming back

b. 20-40% of current players don't start on the new server

c. More people know its live and there are (even though a reduced number) a lot more people online at the beginning to rebuild. repopulating starts with new players.

#1 shows an unbelievably grim picture for the games success

#2 though not a "Bright" picture, gives the game a hope of surviving

Goosio · October 2017

From everything I'm seeing, I'd be willing to wager that the percentage of players not starting on the new server will be much higher than 20-40%. We're looking at the loss of people who've supported and invested in the game for years, some as far back as the beta days; they were like free employees who paid their hosts for the privilege of working for them, and helping others enjoy the game as much as they once did.

Even some of those who have said they will give the reset server a chance haven't fully committed to remaining indefinitely. This kind of loss is going to significantly decrease the ease of the relaunch for new players, and lower the game's chances of surviving.

krazybastid · October 2017

I am somewhat now a little on the fence. I sort of am looking forward to a fresh start because I had nooby behavior for the first year and a half with my skills. However, like I said if there is anyway to get back out Gama players it needs to be done maybe not tommorrow maybe not by the 18th but it needs to happen. I am a little more relaxed now. I've done al I could do. Posting links of contact information. Just hoping for a response back from the admins containing the Gama. Getting Slammed by Frozen Ruby and her calais attitude. But I got a feeling Gama ain't dead. We need to find out who has it and engage with those admins on how to retrieve our old players and request they get reintroduced into the game. Theres to many people complaing about OGP I thought they did an excellent job. It's just hard to keep people interested that goes for any game. I'm a mid level player but Vets who have discovered everything they wanted to found it boring toward the end up with multi billions in ducats, go out pirating out of boredom. Not knocking that its just a game.To some vets maybe a wipe is what they need. However There should be a subscription service at some point for players to recover gama.

wwarble1 · October 2017

Honestly, my first gut reaction was burn it to the ground, but honestly, I'm not going to go out of my way to keep others from having fun. I am decidedly unhappy and it's likely that I'll stay that way. I highly doubt I'll be sunshine and rainbows in general, but school chat is different. It's kinda sacred to me. I can't say for sure exactly what I'm going to do. I'm at least going to mess around some, but if nothing else, I'll be in school chat trying to help people.

SUNDOGG97 · October 2017

Tell you what, more the half of the community is up in arms about this.

If people do play, vets,I do not think people will be a sharing caring mood esp with the known server wipers.

Go figure it your self, you asked for it.

Just my thoughts.

touffu64 · October 2017

Personally and in all proportions, I feel like a survivor of Hiroshima after the bomb. It is very likely that I will resume next October 18th, but there will be sequels. And inevitably, it will be question of the wipe in the world chat. Whether
we like it or not, for those who will be there, the wipe is / will be
part of the history of the game, without there being need to create
controversy.
(google translated from french)

ConcernedTraveler · October 2017

I get being happy that somebody picked up the game. But really, the way it went down can you blame people for being disgusted? Yeah, they did such a great thing telling us Papayaplay was taking it over so we knew where to go. Never mind the what, 6 days notice? Never mind OGP not informing us of the wipe so people would spend their remaining astros like fools rather than be right on the phone to their banks or credit card companies to get refunds. Never mind Papayaplay keeping us in the dark for days as well. Never mind Papayaplay not even engaging in one forum discussion so far other than to say "we will tell you more when we are able". WTF does that mean? They can take the time to say that cryptic BS but can't say one word about what's going on?

Like they didn't know they were wiping the server weeks (if not longer) ago? Like they're just Forrest Gumping their way through licensing an MMO with no plan.

Sorry. This transfer couldn't have been handled any more poorly with regards to the current playerbase. The wipe alone would have upset a lot of people but handling it in such a
way just lead to people stewing over what was going on and laid the
groundwork for complete distrust. Were we treated with any kind of respect as valuable patrons of the game? No. We were treated with all the respect of bonded tenants in a medieval manor system. No need to tell us what's going on, we're just chattel.

Justified outrage doesn't constitute "whining". And people accused me of "fear-mongering" pre-shutdown when I questioned "why else would nobody just put this all to rest and issue a simple statement that they aren't going to wipe the server other than they already know they are and don't want to make any waves yet". Turns out that was the obvious truth, not fear-mongering.

And I very much resent my righteous indignation being compared to liberals. You've got a big mouth and you're lucky you didn't make some snide remarks like that to me in person. I'm working class and worked long and hard to get where I'm at and work very hard to keep it. And you're going to compare me to some kind of entitled liberals? I don't think so. And this country was founded on standing up against unfair treatment. Not being a doormat as your piss-poor punk-ass attitude suggests.

So if people are complaining in chat they have every right to do so after how this was handled. Papayaplay has no one to blame but themselves for that. You would think they would've had the foresight to see that coming.

All I can say is the fixes they are supposedly making better be very impressive. Impressive enough to make us forget the complete disregard we were just treated with. And these founders packs better be the most OP crap I have ever seen to make up for all the years of progress and money lost. Or there will be some very bitter people in chat.

And as for you Centex3kgt, why don't you go peddle your doormat philosophies somewhere else. People obviously aren't buying it here.

FrozenRuby · October 2017

'And these founders packs better be the most OP crap I have ever seen to make up for all the years of progress and money lost. Or there will be some very bitter people in chat.'

they don't have to entitle you with OP stuff u would be lucky they even throw in a astro ship to get ya started. its not like its ever going to be enough for all the disgruntled players about a wipe which they announced on their FAQ and all everyone does is go how BS it is and that they are covering up the truth, because it seems to me you guys and girls can't handle the truth when it placed right infront of you. what they say is likely the truth and you all can't accept it.

Centex3kgt · October 2017

@ConcernedTraveler :

I did not compare YOUR "righteous indignation" to being a liberal. I asked people NOT to take the Liberal attitude "If I cannot have it my way, I will ruin it for everyone".

If you took it as me comparing it to you, and took offense by my statement, then you are saying that you WILL try to sabotage this game for everyone else, because you didn't get your way. I don't think that is what you were trying to say, so it should not have made you mad, as it wouldn't apply to you.

I am not "Peddling my doormat philosophy". I am simply saying, PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO RUN OFF NEW PLAYERS BECAUSE YOU ARE MAD. I never said I WASN'T MAD about the change.

In truth, I think there could have been a better way to handle this.

ConcernedTraveler · October 2017

@Centex3kgt

"I did not compare YOUR "righteous
indignation" to being a liberal. ..."

Really?

"...rise above your base instincts (the ones akin to the liberal attitudes..."

My base instinct is to take offense to and speak out about this treatment as I think I accurately described as righteous indignation. So it sure sounded like a direct comparison to me and I did take offense to the statement. And I would thank you not to put words into my mouth as to what I will or will not be doing. What I decide to do with this indignation beyond venting in the forum is yet to be determined.

Not to mention I believe there is a large difference here between "not having it my way" and:
I have just had someone negate years of my work and delete things I spent my hard earned money on. And exacerbating this issue tremendously, it was done with an attitude of complete disregard making it very hard to just jump back into the game with a chipper attitude feeling any kind of trust for the new publisher.

Instead of being able to make an informed decision and get a refund for my last $20 worth of astros and at least having that to spend in Papayaplay's cash shop, I gave the benefit of the doubt and wasted them on inventory and NPCs which was going to be deleted anyway.

Then instead of maybe having fun with reckless abandon for a few days while the clock ran out, I wasted 5 days of my recreation time organizing inventory to accommodate the mess coming from emptying out 3 captain's chests and removing the stuff I really cared about from the receive items to be on the safe side. All of which they all knew was just going to be deleted anyway.

I was conned to OGP's advantage by lies of omission. Omission of facts that both publishers could have told me about had they deemed it worthwhile to do so.

So simply minimizing these events... facilitating OGP to con me out of money, causing me to waste 5 days of my recreation time doing something completely foolish, disregarding me to stew in the dark for days, on top of the wipe which would have been hard to swallow to begin with, and top it off with some condescending nonsense about the "technical nature of the relaunch"... reducing all that into a term like "not getting ones way" is outrageous doesn't begin to describe what happened here. Even if you are not saying it directly but just through comparison to this attitude.

You are taking this attitude of people not getting their way and wanting to ruin things for everyone else and applying it to a situation where long time paying customers have been treated with total disregard and you are implying they should just keep their mouth shut as to not upset the new potential customers. Do the new potential customers not have a right to know what just went down? Or am I supposed to be worried about the potential customers of a company that just screwed me around?

As you can see it's hard to stay focused on the good of the game when it gets pushed to the forefront that this game is a business where I as a customer not only have no say, my opinions obviously don't matter, and to top it all off I'm not even shown the common decency of being told what's happening which leads to me losing money and making an ass out of my time.

For the record I don't plan on jumping in the game and badmouthing everything straight from the door. Maybe even not at all. But if myself, or anyone else who is justifiably upset, decides to have anything to say about it here or in game who in the hell are you to suggest otherwise?

ConcernedTraveler · October 2017

@FrozenRuby

They didn't announce anything about a wipe on their FAQ until well after the fact. Well after it was too late to make any difference. And after everyone had already been stewing in the dark for days. And now the condescending crap about the "technical nature of the relaunch".

I'm guessing you knew that, but just couldn't resist your compulsion to chime in here somehow. I understand. You can't help it. And I know I have previously advocated "not feeding the troll" in regards to you but I have been put in such a ranting mood I will even engage you with your silliness.

Maybe you could defend and explain this "technical nature of the relaunch" nonsense by regaling us with stories again of the complicated web of code that makes up an MMO that you know so much about.

Make sure to once again omit the part that player data is stored in a database completely separate from the game code, as that doesn't fit your argument at all. It's much more entertaining anyway to envision this one big file containing millions of lines of code for everything, where one wrong move creates some kind of snowballing out of control data corruption.

Thousands of separate files in hundreds of separate folders for character controller, animations, abilities, items, ships, NPCs, etc. ... a separate login server, player data in a separate database potentially on its own server, possibly a separate chat server, all of which can be tweaked independently... that's all total hogwash. It's all one big mystical mess millions of lines long.

Sure, you worked for a game company and all these companies in he IT field... Maybe I'd buy that as someones secretary or a customer service rep or something, maybe in graphical design. Not believing you were even in the same room as the coders though.

Also don't bring up the fact that we had game changing nerfs put in place with little more than a few hours down time and the issue of player data wasn't even a concern. Once again, not good for your stance.

It's ok Ruby, we all know you're here! But please, hush now, grown folks is talkin'.

Centex3kgt · October 2017

@ConcernedTraveler

Wow, I must have struck a nerve....

I said "Please everyone, try to rise above your base instincts (the ones akin to the liberal attitudes in a small portion of America that think "If I can't have it my way, I should try to ruin everything for everyone!")"

INSTINCTS....I was saying please be more evolved in your thinking and actions than a toddler. And because of this, You have to write a long diatribe full of vitriol instead of reading my underlying message.

You view it as money and time INVESTED into UWO. Instead of money ant time SPENT on a game you loved.

News flash. THE NEW HOST (Papaya) OWES YOU NOTHING. IT WAS NOT THEIR DOING. They did NOT take over the game until OGP released it. By then it would have been too late to change anything.

Any yes, they probably knew ahead of time that the wipe was going to happen, but another News Flash..... They were probably bound by the purchase agreement NOT to publicize it.

Please take your negativity elsewhere. I did not mean to insult you, but I really do not care if you took a GENERAL STATEMENT from me personally, and it hurt your feelings.

Cirv111 · October 2017

Here is my ticket to Papaya, in all honesty, it's all I can say: I hope they listen

Request #36023
UWO wipe??? you will kill the player base

Cirv111
Today at 19:14

This says that we will lose our inventory? Meaning our
ships? Our Gear? Do you realize that is 100% going to kill the
established player base, the same player base which has been putting $
money $ into this game for YEARS.

DO NOT WIPE US, unless you want to lose ALL of your paying
customers. This is 100% going to result in the game dying. I have
been playing for more than 6 years, I am older, I have money, but I will
not play if my world is wiped. My world includes my ships! special
ships which are as unique and loved as much as our characters!

It's really that simple.

Sincerely,

Dirc

Cirv111 · October 2017

Here is all I can add, my official ticket to Papaya support:

Request #36023
UWO wipe??? you will kill the player base

Cirv111
Today at 19:14

This says that we will lose our inventory? Meaning our
ships? Our Gear? Do you realize that is 100% going to kill the
established player base, the same player base which has been putting $
money $ into this game for YEARS.

DO NOT WIPE US, unless you want to lose ALL of your paying
customers. This is 100% going to result in the game dying. I have
been playing for more than 6 years, I am older, I have money, but I will
not play if my world is wiped. My world includes my ships! special
ships which are as unique and loved as much as our characters!

It's really that simple.

Sincerely,

Dirc

pieratthe · October 2017

Those who say they are gone but are still here posting are just upset and will calm down, and play the new server. can we stop all the i'm going to quit, game dying, give it a chance, if in 2-4 months it's still shite then by all means start back, but at least give this a chance, and i think the 20-40% mite actually be high in the end.

BustyLaRue · October 2017

Just dont ignore me in School chat when I am looking for a fleet in Amsterdam tavern to complete that annoying school thingy.

Veloadict · October 2017

Something
is sure. The game you all know from the past till OGP closure is over and accept
that as a fact. It’s a past. It’s a history. And you can be sure Papaya has its
own approach/path to the game that will host in the future and nobody will
convince them to do it other than they imagine. Half a year from now people in
UWO can read posts about the game is dead. Wonder who make it dead? Resellers
with their inhumanly prices of nice ships like CHC or nice Galleys which anyone
like to sail but those ships were sail only by those who has many toons/alts
loaded with ducats that can afford inhumanly 100b payment of a ship. None ship
is worth that much; in Astro shop with a bit of luck you could get it for 70
astros, which was 350m and not 100b. Being “rich” in uwo doesn’t mean to be the
best. Personally I admire those who hit 2k+ of discoveries, grind hard to get
max. mrt levels and transfer loads of tons of stuff from EA/SEA to EU and play
the game for fun and not to get rich. If Papaya has idea to make the game
famous and fun to play again than they have to do it from scratch for all
players. I know people invest years of time and money into old game (which include
myself too) but those who really like the game base which is sailing, make
discoveries, grind mrt, do historical events, trade…those people will come back
for sure and continue to play on. Much harder will be for those which will look
forward only to get rich again by reselling and raising ship prices to the top
of the sky and beyond…And if that is going to happen again, the game will
become dead again for sure. I much hope that game will rise from the dark and
boring era to its point to be real Uncharted Waters Online. I much hope too
that steam engines will go to the past because “sailing is a moving ship with
the powers of a wind”, not by the power of a steam with a ship propeller.
Anyway, I hope I will see many known names in the game after 18^th to
sail with them, to play with them, to trade with them or even to make good sea
battles with them :) What was it was…it’s
the past. Face it. New sun arises and with that new expectations

pieratthe · October 2017

Hope i get llm in founder pac :D

Restart drama and the impact it can have on new players

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Request #36023 UWO wipe??? you will kill the player base

Request #36023 UWO wipe??? you will kill the player base

Request #36023
UWO wipe??? you will kill the player base

Request #36023
UWO wipe??? you will kill the player base