Plea to fellow UWO players

ZimXero · October 2017

I am in the worst financial shape ever. I have had wicked packs of bad news up me this year. I suggest to my fellow players to give up UWO forever... OR give it a chance and play. You dont have to be at the top. Hell, there is no assurance that Papaya will even exist a year from now. If you are in position, save your money to buy out our game. Otherwise... play the game. It is OURS. not THIERS. Even if you never attain the same degree of success... please have fun. If you cannot.. then seriously dump it now. I undersand and willl never badmouth you for it. Dont want to get all sappy or anything.. but i truly love all of you. GL whatever path you choose.

FlorianGeyer · October 2017

Do you think there is a chance that, if Papaya gives up on UWO one day, there will be the posibility to obtain the game's sourcecodes to start up one or a few private servers?

And do you think we would have the knowledge among us to run it?

I hope if one day UWO stops, we are able to do so... All of us together.

Idsadar · October 2017

Well i don t think is that easy to run a server like this.But is possible.Most of the game have admins from inside the game,exp players.Than you need some cash,(depends how much),to buy it,but for this game i don t think is gonna be a very high fee.

And of course you need a programmer.That can be found quite easely depends of how much money he will charge.

HeavyWater · October 2017

@FlorianGeyer I was wondering about that possibility myself two days ago IIRC. I've seen it happen to a number of other MMOs that have shut down.

Idsadar · October 2017

But i still play on a server who s running since 2008 and hes still online and it s going well.And they keep the serv running with the money donated from players.

Not a monthly fee,everyone pay whatever they want ,when they want.

And the ones that donate recive some advantage in the game,minor ones.

And with around 200 players on it every day,many of them old players in the game,they manage to keep the serv running and they even add monthly quests,events etc,and they are still add improvement to the game.Si yes it is possible.

ConcernedTraveler · October 2017

"If you are in position, save your money to buy out our game."

I have often pondered this. Sensing the end coming with OGP for quite a while and wondering if anyone else would roll the dice on such an old niche MMO.

I'm in no position to do something like this on my own but in this day and age with the power of the internets, and the systems in place for various types of crowd funding... perhaps it's something that a bunch of us could chip in and do together. Get a little organization going. And whenever UWO is getting ready to go down and not get picked up we could snatch it up ourselves.

Interesting to think about. Someone with experience in such things would have to spear-head the operation. But I would be on board with being a monthly subscriber to fund a player owned company. Maybe make all the subscribers shareholders in the corporation. Give all the shareholders seats on a board where we could vote democratically on major decisions. How many shares you own determining the weight of your particular vote.

We could call it the UWO Preservation Society. We could possibly run it as a non-profit organization to get around taxes as well.

I'm just the idea guy. So we need some people with corporate and NPO experience to chime in here and hammer out the details.

We've got 10 days to get a business model nailed down before we are all consumed by grinding our way back from this "fresh start". So I suggest you guys don't dilly dally.

fsxguy · October 2017

I want to help too, how do we do this? I don’t ever want this game to die.

Goosio · October 2017

All online games eventually die when the companies running them go out of business, or decide to close them in favor of replacing them with something new. The exception is as you said, when private owned servers exist. I hope your dream of preserving UWO in this method comes true; I'd certainly be happy to play again in those circumstances, and donate what I could to running it. At least it would be money going towards someone I could (hopefully) trust. I'll be watching for signs of your success. Godspeed.

clemsonfan · October 2017

this game is already dead... this betrayal and lies will not go unpunished

WesDoobner · October 2017

Clemsonfan, it sounds almost like you're not only wanting to quit the game, but hoping for it to go bad for those of us who want to stay. That's over the line and not something I can respect.

aceman39 · October 2017

The game is only dead if we give up on it and to say it is dead and the betrayer and lies will not go unpunished is a bad way to think. If you don't want the game to go anywhere because you feel like you was betrayed then why come back and ruin it for the rest of us who will try to build it back up and make it great again then why stay and make it bad

pieratthe · October 2017

Clemsom is one of those 5 multi nanbanners. He can't stand pirates. He will not quit, he's just mad. I was in comp with clem for long time, and only thing that kept me civil was gazi who didnt want drama in comp chat and i respect'd that. Clem wouldn't he'd get mad and just say whateva and i'd have to get gazi to make him hush. I'm not one to block comp members cause they may need help one day. Just ignore what these type of people. I bet out of the 20% that polled with caddy who said they are leaving, more than half will return. And those who have left already, i bet half of them return in a month of so after relaunch. If u play uwo before ogp closer u were addicted. Addicts can never truly quit :D

FlorianGeyer · October 2017

What approximate amount of money would this game be worth? Just to have an idea if one day we'll have to buy it what amount af cash we'l have to pay for it.

pieratthe · October 2017

prolly 10-15-20k, and if ur in america i believe u'll need a gambling license for anytype of bottle. and that's just for the contract from koei. They won't sell to you, but they mite contract game out to you. You will never OWN anything by koei. Then u need the server. Has to be a good one with good connection cause peeps play from around the world on GAMA. You'll need to pay IT or use a company like "Level 5" for maintence and updates and bug fixes. The amount of power u'll need to continiously run the server would be expensive (servers use lots of power) If i'd had to guess u'd need around 100k a yr in expenses. Now u could try to make that up with paychest/cash shop.

point is, don't put ur enegy into getting a contract from KOEI. Just as OGP prevented UWO lanuch on ps4 in america (they had america in contract) Papaya can prevent u from hosting a server til their contract is up.

McFork · October 2017

I would totally invest a large chunk of cash into an operation to save the game if it was 'doomed' for sure, under a few conditions:

1. There will have to be a way to recover the base amount ($10,000 for example) over the course of the following year or so.

2. A seriously well thought out operating plan and formation/investment contract.

3. Instant refund of all cash if the total goal is not met by a certain time (contract stuff, I know)

4. A plan for running the game and servers successfully if the initial funding goals are met

5. Meeting the key people who will be involved in real life at various points in the process

6. Total transparency and ACCURATE accounting/reporting of financials from day one

Centex3kgt · October 2017

@EVERYONE:

Seriously? Do you have any idea what is involved in this kind of undertaking? Well intentioned, but majorly misguided.

@McFork:

Those conditions are funny:

1. Possible, but investments into a game this size would be much higher than 10k, and recoup of investment in a year? not likely.

2. Accurate and good.

3. Instant refund if goal is not met? That is NOT how investing in this type of venture works. How would your cash be refunded like this as all capitol gained from investments is USED to run the venture.

4. Accurate and good.

5. Ventures like the one being proposed would not be a local thing, so meeting all the key people several times during the process would be costly and impractical.

6. Good goal.

McFork · October 2017

@ 1: I was putting the example of if I invested 10K to add to the 'pile' from the other players. No one would be able to match the other investors at a set amount for us raise enough unless we did some sort of Kickstarter deal. Also, the game is capable of money and if it did, then the people who funded should see that money returning to them somehow.

@ 3: I wouldn't consider this an investment (not expecting my money to yield a return). There are financial instruments that can be used to collect the money during a capital raising period under escrow of sorts where if the goal is not met prior to a deadline, then the chances of the venture succeeding are not good so the money is returned.

@ 5: I would be willing to travel at my own expense just for the fun of it, :)

pieratthe · October 2017

We see what happens when broke companies (or group of people) try to host a game... lack of support, server crashes, lack of contact, lack of.... too much, i wouldn't pay a game unless under what i hope is a decently funded company. OGP was that to start with or so i thought with as many games they had, but i was wrong. And as i've said I'm sure in the contract between KOEI/Papaya, that KOEI can't give the game code to anyone or allow them to run any version of the game in any area's that papaya has. U'd have to buy out Papaya's contract, THEN contact koei, and make sure they want you to host it. then..... its too much don't waste ur energy on those thoughts, save that for 18th and put it back into the game.

lefox271 · October 2017

UWO is a niche game. I looked around for another game to play after the wipe - but there isn't anything similar. I tried a game called Voyage Century - but it's a pale imitation - and it's also a virtual wasteland populated by a small number of very high level players.

Try Googling 'MMOs for 2018' and you'll see what kind of game people are being sold now. High-end graphics, voice-acting, and inevitably a game-mechanic developed around character builds for PvP. Anything which doesn't fit that model is niche. A lot of successful MMOs are spin-offs from console games - because you've got a ready market of people who want to re-live their old favourite games. I guess UWO was like that 10 years ago.

If there really was money in running games like UWO Koei would be putting money into a new interface, new graphics etc.

You've got to accept there is a natural life-cycle to an MMO. Players gradually drift away. The owners stop investing in it. The server hosting slips to the less-salubrious end of the market. UWO could go on for years but without a lot of fresh blood it will feel like a different place. Like living in a an OAPs home.

MMO is still a relatively new genre - we don't really know what happens to games after they pass their peak. But my guess is life-cycles will get shorter.

Sorry to be so depressing. Don't get me wrong I'm totally up for the restart - but I've got no illusions about the future.

krazybastid · October 2017

I'm calling Papaya Play today I want my charecters

clemsonfan · October 2017

@pienoob first off you are one of the many that use any exploit you can to get ahead. as you are well aware my son tiger plays too. you couldnt keep conversations civil if you tried. as a gamer you are only focused on you and your gains remember your selling act during viking event to gain 60b? or was that full of crap like most of everything you say? you are going to be one of the few that ruins this game for everyone who wants to save it. you and grievers and scumbags like you are what sucks about uwo.

i have no issue with piracy. i have issue with piracy abuses and you certainly are no stranger to them

lefox271 · October 2017

Oh and did I mention virtual reality? You look at the early access games coming up now, many require a VR headset.

Papaya are owned by a small Dutch game developer called Vertigo Games. See their website - their latest games are for VR.

Papaya seems to be their publishing platform. They say it was set up in 2016 to support their own legacy games - which date back 10 years. So they must understand the loyal player base in these long-running games. Which is more reassuring.

No one is going to make a lot of money on a game with a player base of 500. You can bet they got UWO at a knock-down price.

If the parent company is developing VR games I shouldn't think their plans for UWO are any more than publishing what Koei give them. But it would be nice to know more and stop all this speculation.

clemsonfan · October 2017

@pienoob or pie scum whatever your new name will be here is my fleet

Clemsonfan- 80 85-82

my alt dutchzephyros 66-85-40 storage alt from my original company zephyros

supabrotha 70-85-50?- this is alt tigerfan and i shared

Tigerfan is my real life son who does not live with me. CAPS ARE SO YOU CAN SEE THIS SEPERATE PLAYER IN SEPERATE HOUSE.

his girlfriend princessmurdere i dont know there levels.

tiger and i have played this game together for 7 years from gpotato and netmarble days. been acused of multi many time and guess what GM checked many times and never found anything other than the truth. 2 seperate houses. but thats ok i know you mad cause there is a rift with us i get that.

i forgive you. don't get me started on exploits you abused. i forgive that too.

and yes Gazi was a great peacekeeper and a good friend. shame you abuse Myklas the way you did. using him to get astro stuff for free. most genuine cool player on server and you abuse that

pieratthe · October 2017

Yea Clem, u can tell those lies if u want, but i know u play'd on ur sons toon. You messaged me from each and everyone of those toons at some point. So say what you want. Yes i did make 60b from the viking event. Yes i logged in 10 accounts per day, but guess what. That's all within ToS. But also if u remember the ONLY reason i made so much was i was selling CHEAPER than everyone else. Many many more people farmed more tools than me, i just used my brain and some marketing experience to make that. So just like having ur son log in some toons so u can nanban with 5 if same thing, it was within ToS.

LoL seems u need to talk to myklas. He was a friend of mine, when he started i was in a small comp and was watching people take complete advantage of him. Would get his stuff and as soon as he log off they'd sell it, and soon as he'd log back on they'd ask for more. So when i came back to OA, i brought him with me so people wouldn't take advantage of him. You really do need to check the information before you spout non-sense. I told him daily "No" Everyday i'd log on he'd give me stuff and i'd say no, and he'd get mad and i'd take it anyway, or i'd fast trade him checks to pay for the stuff. So if anything the rest of ya'll took advantage of him. I was basically his "ho" anything and everything he needed/wanted i took care of. He'd get himself a new ship, and just hand it to me. Couple days later i'd hand him back a modded/fused ship. So i did kinda earn my stuff from him..

What do u do? just took stuff and didn't repay him? :D remember when u point a finger, there are 3 fingers pointing back at you. Did u ever invite him to ur fleet?, did u ever quest with him? did u ever take him to do shipwrecks?

....excatly

WesDoobner · October 2017

Command & Conquer Online went to a private server and is now maintained by players. so that's how it could be done, if you want to check that out.

clemsonfan · October 2017

yes pie i had log in from my sons toon if someone needed me too. so what btw i paid myklas for everything he ever gave me. yeah you are a;ways good at finding exploits and using for your own advantage

clemsonfan · October 2017

also pie you were banned for multi abuse before.... i never been banned. but keep flaming though

pieratthe · October 2017

hahahaha sure ya did :D but on the exploit thing. These are the google def. of the word "Exploit"

1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

2. a bold or daring feat.

and lastly which i think ur refering too

3. a software tool designed to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system, typically for malicious purposes such as installing malware.

as far as i'm aware of everything i used was ingame, it wasn't a tool that i designed, or used that someone else designed. So other than that yea i exploit almost everything i do in life, I make full use of any all available resources available to me, and i'm willing to do "a bold or daring feat." So again what excatly u saying?

clemsonfan · October 2017

again pie you were banned for multi i wasnt so keep trying there .

its ok pie i will see you on the seas.

pieratthe · October 2017

No i wasn't. LOLOLOL i was never banned for multi, the only thing that was ever said was when i got a reply from helpdesk asking why i was banned for saying "if koei forces changes why aren't all servers the same" and they replied that my repeated attacks against OGP caused the ban, and that this is my warning for running 4 toons in dungeon. And once back from ban i never logged in more then 3 at a time. Cause Coolwind was just waiting, prolly had a pop-up each time i logged in from my ip. LOLOL

so funny u think i was banned for breaking the rules when i was banned for standing up against a tyrant.

lol

clemsonfan · October 2017

you said it yourself in conversations before pie that you were banned for multi but now the story changes

Plea to fellow UWO players

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