I actually like that idea would solve the issue I just have 1 big problem with ideas like yours and others like it...
The problem is koei VERY VERY VERY rarely updates the code to this game for anything the roll back of piracy nerfs and removal of god guns were the ONLY times in over 8 years of playing that they did it and even then it took a very long time. We cant rely on koei to fix our problems because they wont if its a solution id like to see it be something we can do as players to resolve the issue.
BH has crap rewards because pirates dont pose a threat therefore while I would hire a BH escort if I had the need to why should I if one single pirate rolls up and I trib them and threat is over? Thats why I suggested they get organized and use team piracy to circumvent trib use in addition to that pirates should try to extort and target companies that dont pay pirates for immunity. THAT would make me hire BH's but if all the maritimers are sitting in front of the TV watching lifetime movies crying waiting for Koei to fix the game's problems its NEVER going to happen. The Maritimers have to step it up imo if they want incentive and me and other players to pay them and stop being dependent on koei and more on themselves…
*epic facepalm* That's it, give the 'rats a way to multi gank us CPC, way to friggin' go! >.< Is there anything else you'd like to help the grievers do? Tips for how to strip a player bare perhaps? For The Players are you? Which ones?!?! BAH!
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Twitch aren't pirates and bounty hunters players too?
Listen we traders we not supposed to like pirates but at the same time the server needs their business to stay open. I'll tell you like I told CocoaCocoaPuff the very reason… me, you, CCP and every other player had to get wiped and are regrinding all of our skills now is because OGP lost the maritimer business with unfair nerfs and had to sell it off thats FACT.
With that said even though we play trader we have to all find a way to facilitate play and incentive with the other classes. I'd like to see pirates organize and become more mafioso then Id need to hire bounty hunters to fight them off because now nobody pays for their services why should they when tributes are so effective? Not to mention thanks to those stupid boxes there are now TONS of fine tribute goods on the market making it even easier to ward them off. The goal must be to get those guys involved we should all be interacting and playing off each other we cant just operate in a bubble and completely avoid all pirates that will lead to the next game closure.
Twitch we long time vets but its really time we look for solutions that compromise with all the classes even the griefers (within reason) its the ONLY way to avoid another game shut down and or wipe. The pirates are crying for whites to be farmed again I merely suggested them organizing and using teamwork and extortion tactics I think my idea is way more feasible, realistic and doesn't depend on Koei… which solution do you prefer?
CPC let me give you a clue, since apparently you have none...this game has never depended on piracy...that's a very small aspect of the game. Suggesting extortion is really not a good thing for you to do. You're opening a can of worms that smells really, really bad. This is a sandbox game that is meant to be played many different ways by many different players. For maritimers there's Battle Campaign, Epic Sea Feud, Mock Battles, Rare Plunder, PVP, and that's just a start. Then you have traders that use many different skills and play many different ways. Then you have adventurers that like to adventure. You're putting out wrong information and making some really dumb suggestions. I used to be sort of a fan of your auctions just by watching them, but then found out some things, and you're showing some colors now that show even more of what you're about. No matter what "nerfs" or "buffs" are in place, somebody like you is going to come along and blame it all on something that has nothing to do with anything. This game has switched hands several times and it wasn't because of the maritime system...that's a load of crap if you'll excuse me..and having the nerve to tell people like you're some kind of authority, that the reason they're having to regrind their skills, the reason the game was taken over by Papaya Play, was because of maritime, is really really ignorant. Everyone has their own ideas and thoughts about it, but don't claim to be an authority on the subject when you're not.
1. I never said this game relies solely on piracy nor that I was the authority
2. You seem to think piracy is small and only red names when its not piracy is whites because reds and orange chase them, Blues aswell because they chase reds and oranges. All the classes make up the "system". By saying piracy is small is ignorant on your part no piece of the system is smaller or bigger than the other they all need each other to function.
3. You also seem to think maritime doesn't account for most of this servers revenue how many battle ship G6 do you see? How many trader adventurers G6 do you see? Hmmm prolly none you dont like what I say because its facts. We all bring money true but not like those guys obsessing over having the biggest and strongest ship dont get mad at me money talks and the maritime talks very loud not saying its thr most important but it does bring the most cash.
4. I believe ALL classes hold equal importance maritime brings Papaya the most money but martime need traders to chase and maritime needs other maritime to fight against. You cant alienate maritime just because you fear piracy. You need them as much as they need you.
5. If you think Maritimers just supposed to ONLY mock, esf and BC all day then you obviously think very low of that class. Maritime aren't limited to only what YOU seem fit they play a large role and to think Im bad for wanting to include them more in our game in a MASSIVE MULTI PLAYER rpg where you're supposed to interact and work together shows selfishness on you part. If you want to play a solo game fine go play one but UWO is not and never ever will be a solo game we supposed to work together that's what uwo is all about.
6. Extortion if they decided to do it its not against the rules they can do it any time they wanted to and nothing would be there to stop it and just so you know other companies did it before did you know that? The only difference between you and I is that one I'll refuse to pay it and enlist more bounty hunters to destroy them THATS What you're supposed to do thats the object of the game to compete… maritime fight with guns we traders fight with cunning and our wallets its a constant power struggle ask any vet.
7.Lastly ive been around and know why the game closed each time NM because god guns killed pvp, Ogp because of piracy nerfs and coolwind forcing maritime vets out the game BOTH martime related. If you don't agree ask in World chat you just cant face facts… Maritime faulters WE ALL faulter and I for one don't want to see it fail again and I dont fear pirates and the challenge it brings and neither should you. I welcome bounty hunters to protect me I dont believe in a SOLO uwo game and if thats revealing my true colors then so be it.
Ps. If what I listed above isn't why the game faltered then you tell me why
As far as the rest goes, you have your opinion, I have mine, and someone else's will be totally different.
You responded to things I didn't even say, so I'm leaving it at that. Not here to argue, I think I made my point and you're not going to stop so I'm stopping it here. You voiced your opinion. Good day.
@ CPC - There were a lot things un-nerfed by Papaya Play as far as PvP goes, but, give most PvPers an inch and they want more more more, like spoiled children. And most think that without them the server will die, and you "validating" them on that just boosts their extremely over inflated(and very fragile) egos. So no, I don't want ebulliy and ethug grievers on this server, and If you are for players like that, I seriously question whether you're for me. And again I re-itterate to all: "If you don't like the rules for pirates or bounty hunters, don't be a pirate or bounty hunter."
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Everyone keeps saying that the PvPers are whining and asking for more, I have only seen one guy mention that on here. And he quit I believe.
There is no doubt that PvPers spend the most money overall, so I would have to say if any publisher lost that revenue the game would end period. And no other publisher would ever host it again.
Once again I have to ask each of you to tell us the last time you were pirated and what expensive items you lost when you were stripped bare?
Tons of hate thrown at pirates but it seems without cause for the most part.
Honestly there is what? About 15 of us posting on the forums. And each discussion ends up the same way. Everyone throwing names at each other, whining about pirates, and upset that Papaya is trying to be profitable. Does not say much for any of us if we can't have civil, logical conversations.
"There were a lot things un-nerfed by Papaya Play as far as PvP goes, but, give most PvPers an inch and they want more more more, like spoiled children."
I agree they been that way for years nothing new there…
"And most think that without them the server will die, and you "validating" them on that just boosts their extremely over inflated(and very fragile) egos."
Unfortunately as much as you hate to admit it… its true it HAS happened TWICE already once on NM and again on OGP do you need to see it a THIRD time before you finally believe this game cant survive without their business? Their egos?! Who cares about their egos lol not me seems only you they can believe they're top dogs all they want who cares lol. They bring in the most cash to papaya that's fact but they wouldn't keep playing without us traders to chase either we all need each other to Survive whether you respect their craft or no not… remove "principle" and face only facts money keeps the server open they spend the most money it is what it is. You hate them for being griefers they hate us for not being in their maritime clique what else is new… shrugs
"So no, I don't want ebulliy and ethug grievers on this server, and If you are for players like that, I seriously question whether you're for me."
This requires much more elaboration on your part. What classifies someone as an "griefer" or "ebully" or "e thug"? I think me and you have two different definitions of what it could be. I think for you you're saying ALL Pirates are evil griefers and don't belong on the server based on what you said above. I may be wrong that's why I asked you to elaborate. Pirates are supposed to play tuff they're freaking Pirates for god sakes! Lol . Listen like it or not there are players who like to attack players and there is a market for them and they spend big to do it dont get mad at me get mad at koei they programmed it that's how they wanted it. The only time I feel it crosses the line is if you are doing it with nothing to gain and do it solely to cause someone to quit ie. Farming whites or the other guy who wants to farm newbies until they quit.
"And again I re-itterate to all: "If you don't like the rules for pirates or bounty hunters, don't be a pirate or bounty hunter."
This is where we disagree the most I think and why the server will decline and and close if people think this way . You CANNOT remove incentive for other classes and make the server skewed where we are all traders its boring and and will make maritimers aka the cash cows quit. Then it won't matter what class we play as the server will close. The game has its ethugs ofc but it also got its police force in Bounty Hunters that keeps it in check and generates more $ for Koei we need ALL the players we can get.
You're a man rooted firmly in principles I know that about you but… you also seem to be a person who places principle above current reality at times… and the reality is we need them as much as they need us and if you seek to eradicate any class pirate trader adventure or otherwise then get ready for them quitting, publisher losing business then server closure and I know we are all just dying to regrind ALL these skills yet AGAIN right??? ACCEPT REALITY or get wiped again choice is yours…
I don't think all pirates are grievers. Pirates like Culvern are the ones I want to see on this server. I've both agreed and disagreed with Culvern in the forums, same as you CPC. I admit I do like outwitting them, it's part of the fun. But to tell them how to nullify PvP tribs is lunacy. They can already turn white names blue against their will and force them into accepting different rules for PvP, and until that particular little flaw in the game mechanics is fixed(along with having 4 red/orange names fleeting with a blue name as a repair/heal so no white names can attack it[never to both says KOEI]), they will always have an advantage, one that nullifying PvP Tribs is disastrous for. And what am I supposed to do, hire a Bounty Hunter to escort me everywhere in unsafe waters while I do adventuring? That would break me financially in a hurry, and I'd have to spend more time trading to pay for that, and then I'd need a to hire a Bounty Hunter for that, and have to do even more trading because a %age would go to the BH........and then adventuring is barely a sideline. Which is not what I want. I trade/dungeon enough to fund my SB grind atm and later do adventuring. I don't wan't to nanban. I don't want a big pile of ducats. I want to discover everything. This game is set in "The Age Of Exploration", yes? What you propose makes exploration barely viable to do.
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
I would agree with many points that you make.This game had always much higher pirate activity as BH activity, piracy is very easy to do. Piracy was never in this game about ''getting useful things'' from other players, the vast majority of pirates in this game are very rich folks,some of the richest people in the game, which sail the most expensive battle ships. You won't meet a ''poor pirate'' in this game. Piracy is expensive in this game, and since those people don't tend to produce anything, they also don't do nanban,...they are re-sellers and heavy cash shoppers, selling cash shop items to make $$. Yes the game have always needed far more rewarding BH system, so that pirates would not sail freely around, maybe papaya will change something, but I doubt since high piracy and low BH activity is helping them a lot to sell blue flags $$.
Hmmmm....... Still waiting to hear when anyone got pirated last and how it broke them financially....... All I am hearing is "pirates are rich" lol, I'm broke...
"They have nothing to fear" lol I can grind any skills without getting attacked by rich nanbanners in expensive ships.
Just a suggestion for Culvern and the pirates like him: If you want to do something for yourselves and for the server, turn BH and drive out the grievers that give pirates a bad name. They're the ones no one wants here and you do get painted with the same brush as them quite often. Traders and adventurers can't do anything about them, so, it's up to you. Now "rich" is relative. There's RL rich players, which is what viennas is talking about(lots of disposable income), and yes, the majority of the the players that fall into that category are into PvP. The problem with catering to a group like that is a WHIP(Wealth Has It's Privileges) attitude develops(Want to keep the server alive? Give us what we want or we stop spending RL money!) and I don't think there are many that want that attitude brought into their game, except those it benefits. Sadly though, I can see that again that it is happening.....again.
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
I hear you but I disagree with the they have the advantage part and theres nothing we can do. It seems like nobody wants to fight back like why are people so willing to just lube up and spread em? You can hire BH's, enlist BH for your company, talk and negotiate a bounty hunter in WC or when I suggested to make a pirate alliance mafia… then Bounty hunters can do the exact same thing can they not?
I'm weak I don't have all maxed out deck skills like on GAMA anymore so in response I went out looked for maritimers for in guild SBers to help build them up to fight back while not the ranks of a pure Maritime company its still enough to count on if needed. That's what the game is all about you cover your weakness by having someone have your back it isn't all just I'm going to do whatever I want and I should be allowed nooooo lol. The problem I think is people want to play Solo… you cant do it alone and if you choose to you better be extremely powerful or else you will be at a disadvantage.
As far as the trib thing its existed since the beginning of time the only problem is Pirates too at times suffer from the same problem they dont rely on team work and for it to work they must work as an team if they don't work as a team they get tribbed . Also u can turn to avoid it. Have to expand your game to circumvent their tactics and just so you know every pirate I spoke to heard about this trib tactic you just rarely see it because coming together to form alliances is RARELY done but they know they choose to be INEFFECTIVE due to lack of cooperation perhaps they lack dilomacy skill.
You still never explained what exactly a griefer pirate is according to you?
Griever = pirate that wants to keep attacking 1 player or group of players with a "because I can" attitude and be a complete a**hat about it. Now, the thing that causes most of the problems with catering to the heavy cash spenders is the ones that are "born with a silver spoon in their mouths" or are "to the manor born", because they tend to have a WHIP attitude practically from birth, and are usually very immature, However, making any one group of players more important than the others and catering more to their wants will not bode well for the server.
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Oh and, CPC? You said "It seems like nobody wants to fight back like why are people so willing to just lube up and spread em?" First, I'm not and now never can be a maritimer/PvPer, why should I have to become one or pay one just to play? And, Isn't "lube up and spread em" exactly what you're suggesting we do by catering to the heavy cash spenders? You called me "a man rooted firmly in principles" which I take as a compliment.Yes, I am. And one of them is I don't suck up or kiss a**, ever. To me if we cater to one group of players just to keep the server alive, then it's not a server I want to play on, because eventually the WHIP attitude will engulf the whole thing.
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Because when I say fight I don't mean necessarily mean Pew Pew fighting in uwo is not that 1 dimensional fighting is done on a greater scale I'll give an example you're not a maritimer im not a Maritimer why can't we meet up with bounty hunters and say hey these pirates are causing us trouble can you save us the pirates are here (gives location) heres some cannons we crafted take em out can you keep it clear for one day? Or hey come nanban with us I'll give you 5 of my haul just to roll with us and take my 3 other friends . the BH gets a nice fee and gets money from nanban and added bonus from each participant order hey we need a police force can we negotiate a Alliance of bounty hunters.
Thats what I mean it isn't just because we dont Maritime that we cant fight back or do things to undermine them to simply sit there and just GIVE UP just because they pirate is laying down just to get shafted. Hell even adventurers can offer AOS as rewards and yes they use them BRs. We can do alot more than you think Cullum if we work together.
As far as jerks who pirate maybe I see it more in an grand scale I like those guys they piss you off BUT it calls people to action to go after those guys that MOTIVATE people to fight them as long as its in moderation its all about a balance. I never said cater to maritime I did say COMPROMISE and find a balance.
Lastly the comment on principle was a compliment but being too focused on it can be dangerous if you dont face reality . Imagine you're 71 a law abiding citizen head strong its 2am and you need milk from the corner store but you live in bad neighborhood and you say im a good citizen I will not be held back by thugs and you go out and get that a** robbed… where are the principles now? Reality beat out principles its all moderation like I said before. Reality is we should all do all that we can to keep as many people playing as possible.
@CPC in a way I agree with Twitch. It seems like you want to give all the breaks to BH's and pirates and you are a trader and say are not afraid of pirates when was the last time you left Seville and hit Hostile waters on Maris. So we should give all the breaks to pvp;ers and hell with the rest of us. Traders need to learn to fight back you have said. So another words give us over to pvp and say hell with the way we want to play the game
Im currently in hostile water now as we speak well I'm logged now but when i log on after work at 11pm est ill be in hostile at florida come at me bro to anyone who wants this juicebox NO FEAR lol. Also just because we are traders doesn't mean we should ignore other classes needs if we do that… we're no better than a Naver or Spartan. There really are no "classes" just players trying ti find a balance for all of us
Please explain in detail what "all the breaks" are what breaks are you talking about? Also how am I a fellow player able to give these breaks… Im very curious as to what you're referring to. Are you implying pirate saying hey lets work together is a "break"?
Dont use generalized statements give specifics.
Also as I mentioned but I think you may have overlooked fighting isnt limited to guns simply talking and working together with bounty hunters NOT PHYSICALLY as I said but we can cut deals and assist bounty hunters please explain why a trader doing so is wrong.
Spartan "I don't care much about this game, it is special yes but what made it special has been killed over a very long period of time. It is only something to pass the time while I wait for a new mmo to play".
How nice and it truly says it all about yourself. Well then, why dont you "pass the time" at your own depressing state of mind and leave the others to enjoy themselves in this game without sharing your depression with them.
When you have a dying patient, sometimes you need to get extreme in the methods used to resuscitate them. Heimlich, shock paddles, adrenaline, etc. Naver's points are valid and would jump start open world pvp again. So count me among those who "just want to farm newbs over and over" Except, that doesn't happen, because you can't be farmed unless you want to be farmed. When you die, you have to use a lifesaver or hit rescue. We all know this right? So you don't hit those buttons until the pirate is gone. Or use a damn tribute like you should have in the first place. Pirate sitting nearby waiting? Call in the BH's, use a blue flag, use the automatic green flag and sail for 5-? mins safely to a port. There is no way to be griefed in this game unless you want to be griefed. Bounty hunting will only become rewarding, when it becomes rewarding to pirate. At this point, returning item loot, and some/partial cargo loot is not enough because of the 24 hour lock-out. Back when server population was higher, this didn't matter as much. There was a fresh source of new people into EA. With lower populations, it's the same smaller bunch of people making 3-4 nanban runs a day, at least on the weekends, so you hit them once, get tributed,- and after a few hours there is no one left to pirate that day. At least drop the 24 hour immunity down to 1 hour so people can be hit once per nanban run. It would be the closest thing we have to giving open world pvp an adrenaline shot.
Gotta admit I been a pirate in this game for 4/5 days now.
I was a pirate towards the end of the last server too.
I didn’t realise how little the population was until I have hit the seas searching.
Seville give a completely false impression of how many people are playing this game because it is mostly alts.
Finding people is so hard!
I have camped choke points, I have sailed obvious trade routes, not so obvious trade routes, the routes that a trader would take if he wanted to avoid most pirates.
And I have maybe caught 10-12 people so far.
And each one of them, whether it be a fleet of 2 or 3 or 5 was sailing with their alts.
And it’s pretty easy to figure that out cos only one reacts when in the battle ring and only one sends pm’s raging at me.
I don’t want to port camp, I don’t believe in it really. I also don’t want to set up alts to spy on ports either because I think that is cheating.
But since I’ve turned pirate I’m spending less and less time on the game.
It’s just gone a bit boring.
And to those that might say don’t pirate, well I did it because it was the only thing that gave me an adrenaline rush in the game. The graphics are so poor that adventure doesn’t excite me, and trading, well that’s just meh to me.
So the other option is to BH, but there is hardly any pirates to catch and the 2 ships I have max modded are set up for catching traders, not fighting pirates/BH
I’m not here complaining but just letting you know that pirating is not some free pass to run where we go out and ruin someone’s day like it’s no problem to us at all.
The likelyhood is we we was prob sailing for a long time before we caught you, we prob used a load of vig food to stay out at sea and keep fatigue down once food runs out. Or we had to keep porting which costs min 500k each time.
Then each time we port we are also at risk of being port camped by BH.
Also don’t forget all the hours we’ve put in to grinding skills to be a pirate.
And may I just add, and this is my opinion so I accept others will disagree.
Being a BH is easy. And personally those that are BH right now don’t do it because they are saving the community or they want to protect traders because piracy is not really a problem or epidemic in the server.
Those that do it now in my opinion just want to be wimpy pirates.
What I mean is, they want to overpower someone easily and get an easy kill without any consequences.
Here’s an example of what I mean cos I’m not explaining myself well.
A pirate is in a ship and has skills that will overpower a trader. People call this wimpish because the pirate is being a bully. But no one suggests the trader should change his job or skill set to beat the pirate. Of course the pirate is bad and in the wrong.
But when I BH attacks a pirate. He is in a job and a ship which will most often easily beat the pirate. But no once considers this wimpish, they just say well the pirate should change ship and Job and work on cannon skills.
So for me BH are just as much bullies as pirates, it’s a food chain. The only difference I see is that pirates are bullies that are willing to accept the consequences of being a pirate in server..ie can’t get quests, have to pay fines to enter port, attacked anywhere, can’t hide on search.
Where as BH like to go around in packs, easily over power a lone pirate that they have likely port camped and then once they easily over power the low dura pirate ship they will happily stay there and farm him until he rage quits.
But then once that’s all done they slowly and safely sail back to safe waters and nothing to worry about.
So basically BH are bullies that are scared to be pirates imo :p
I’d like to see more come pirate, and then when there is more pirates in the sea at least BH have a genuine reason to be BH to restore some balance.
But right now I see so many blues compared to reds, so I have to believe it’s wimpish behaviour.
Oh and yes I’m a pirate, and I admit to being a wimp and going for traders....but at least I accept the consequences of being red/orange and I’m always at risk of being attacked everywhere I go, no auto sail or taking a phone call or grabbing a drink for me when I’m at sea, I need eyes everywhere.
So, what everyone that disagrees with me is saying, get battle skills or hire someone that has them or suck it up bettercup. Well, I can't battle at all really, due to Parkinson's Disease. The increase in stress from battle makes my hands shake so much I'd have to medicate myself unconscious to stop it. And, I'm usually broke because I'm doing SB grind atm and will be doing mostly adventure stuff after that, which as we all know is a lose ducats thing as well. So, I won't be able to hire any BHs. So.......screw me I guess eh? Thanks.
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Oh and, CPC? I have piriciples, but, I also have common sense(the biggest oxymoron in the English language), logic and reasoning. Accusing me of lacking them again will be.......not good.
IGN: Henrique_dePortugal, formerly CullumStraun - aka O Tigro Branco(The White Tiger) - Director of new_world_company Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
So twitch a lot clearly gets attacked each and every day. And also no one will ever sell tribs to him either or blue flags. What an unlucky guy he is.
Oh wait he doesn’t want to buy tribs or blue flags because he wants to use every penny for his personal goals...well if you don’t factor pirates into your finances then more the fool you!
I follow the forums and your posts are becoming more and more aggressive and your starting to look like your panicking
Tell me, how many times have you been pirated??
I suggest you take a few days of the game before you do yourself an injury.
@HelloAll. You have described the pirate life rather accurately. And in many cases the BHs are living the easy life as you point out. BHs often camp pirates and farm them, is that acceptable behavior? It's not if it's a pirate doing it?
I try to play the game with some level of class. Once I sink someone I offer to fleet them, rescue their crew, give back their stuff (sometimes), and tow them to a port. I leave them alone after even if they are a BH. On the other hand BHs usually attack me nonstop, not even the decency to let me repair my ship before attacking again. I know it's part of the pirate life so I am not asking for a rule change. But it does seem as though the BHs are worse than most pirates in the way they treat other players. And of course that is not all or even most of them, just some. I have been sunk by the finest of both pirates and BHs.
It's interesting listening to you guys talk about the life of a pirate. As a trader experiencing pirates from the other end you get a completely different perception.
And like someone else said you're never gonna get rich on it.
I don't use blue flags or tribs. I rely on Storage skill - which I run maxxed at R20 now.
I know for a fact when I get looted the pirate won't get my cargo. I keep testing it - like the other night I deliberately sailed the stupid route through the Canaries heading for EA. I was carrying a full cargo of glasswork for Nanban trade and some copper/zinc ore for producing Euro armour out there. The pirate who attacked me got about 200k of petty cash and three copper ore. Yeah - THREE!
Okay, I took the trouble to grind and refine storage - but even so I can't help but think I'm getting too good a deal out of it. And in a way it takes some of the fun/ risk out of it for me. I don't need to bother choosing routes to evade pirates.
Not to mention it's not very realistic - how can I manage to hide my whole cargo from you?
So maybe there is a case for changing the rules about how piracy works.
Anyway, respect to you guys, and if you ever pirate me, stop and chat, and I promise I'll give you whatever you want from my cargo. Not charity - just fair play.
This is basically a test because I typed out a long response, hit Post, and nothing was posted. So to summarize my previous attempt at a post, If you want to stimulate Bounty hunting, you need to stimulate piracy, and due to a combination of lower server population and the 24 hour immunity rule still in effect, there is little reason to spend a lot of time pirating. You will hit everyone in EA within a few hours, and then it's pointless until the next day. Reduce the immunity to one hour, so people can be attacked each time they make a nanban run. Or better yet remove all post death immunity. You cannot be farmed- so stop repeating that nonsense. Please don't make me post out a novel explaining the most basic mechanics and why there is no way you can be locked into a death cycle- unless you want to be.
@lefox271 You deserve to keep your goods if you storage skill is r20. You earned it. With the right gear on I am r20 plunder, wonder who would win that? About to refine it soon.
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- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
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- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
There is no doubt that PvPers spend the most money overall, so I would have to say if any publisher lost that revenue the game would end period. And no other publisher would ever host it again.
Once again I have to ask each of you to tell us the last time you were pirated and what expensive items you lost when you were stripped bare?
Tons of hate thrown at pirates but it seems without cause for the most part.
Honestly there is what? About 15 of us posting on the forums. And each discussion ends up the same way. Everyone throwing names at each other, whining about pirates, and upset that Papaya is trying to be profitable. Does not say much for any of us if we can't have civil, logical conversations.
- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
Still waiting to hear when anyone got pirated last and how it broke them financially.......
All I am hearing is "pirates are rich" lol, I'm broke...
"They have nothing to fear" lol I can grind any skills without getting attacked by rich nanbanners in expensive ships.
I most be doing something wrong...
- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
I was a pirate towards the end of the last server too.
I didn’t realise how little the population was until I have hit the seas searching.
Seville give a completely false impression of how many people are playing this game because it is mostly alts.
Finding people is so hard!
I have camped choke points, I have sailed obvious trade routes, not so obvious trade routes, the routes that a trader would take if he wanted to avoid most pirates.
And I have maybe caught 10-12 people so far.
And each one of them, whether it be a fleet of 2 or 3 or 5 was sailing with their alts.
And it’s pretty easy to figure that out cos only one reacts when in the battle ring and only one sends pm’s raging at me.
I don’t want to port camp, I don’t believe in it really. I also don’t want to set up alts to spy on ports either because I think that is cheating.
But since I’ve turned pirate I’m spending less and less time on the game.
It’s just gone a bit boring.
And to those that might say don’t pirate, well I did it because it was the only thing that gave me an adrenaline rush in the game. The graphics are so poor that adventure doesn’t excite me, and trading, well that’s just meh to me.
So the other option is to BH, but there is hardly any pirates to catch and the 2 ships I have max modded are set up for catching traders, not fighting pirates/BH
I’m not here complaining but just letting you know that pirating is not some free pass to run where we go out and ruin someone’s day like it’s no problem to us at all.
The likelyhood is we we was prob sailing for a long time before we caught you, we prob used a load of vig food to stay out at sea and keep fatigue down once food runs out.
Or we had to keep porting which costs min 500k each time.
Then each time we port we are also at risk of being port camped by BH.
Also don’t forget all the hours we’ve put in to grinding skills to be a pirate.
It’s not an easy life to have in this game.
Being a BH is easy.
And personally those that are BH right now don’t do it because they are saving the community or they want to protect traders because piracy is not really a problem or epidemic in the server.
Those that do it now in my opinion just want to be wimpy pirates.
What I mean is, they want to overpower someone easily and get an easy kill without any consequences.
Here’s an example of what I mean cos I’m not explaining myself well.
A pirate is in a ship and has skills that will overpower a trader. People call this wimpish because the pirate is being a bully. But no one suggests the trader should change his job or skill set to beat the pirate. Of course the pirate is bad and in the wrong.
But when I BH attacks a pirate. He is in a job and a ship which will most often easily beat the pirate. But no once considers this wimpish, they just say well the pirate should change ship and Job and work on cannon skills.
So for me BH are just as much bullies as pirates, it’s a food chain. The only difference I see is that pirates are bullies that are willing to accept the consequences of being a pirate in server..ie can’t get quests, have to pay fines to enter port, attacked anywhere, can’t hide on search.
Where as BH like to go around in packs, easily over power a lone pirate that they have likely port camped and then once they easily over power the low dura pirate ship they will happily stay there and farm him until he rage quits.
But then once that’s all done they slowly and safely sail back to safe waters and nothing to worry about.
So basically BH are bullies that are scared to be pirates imo :p
I’d like to see more come pirate, and then when there is more pirates in the sea at least BH have a genuine reason to be BH to restore some balance.
But right now I see so many blues compared to reds, so I have to believe it’s wimpish behaviour.
Oh and yes I’m a pirate, and I admit to being a wimp and going for traders....but at least I accept the consequences of being red/orange and I’m always at risk of being attacked everywhere I go, no auto sail or taking a phone call or grabbing a drink for me when I’m at sea, I need eyes everywhere.
- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
- Director of new_world_company
Alt: Christopher_de_Haro, formerly William_Adams - temporary Deputy Director of new_world_company
Pay It Forward - It's what we do
What an unlucky guy he is.
Oh wait he doesn’t want to buy tribs or blue flags because he wants to use every penny for his personal goals...well if you don’t factor pirates into your finances then more the fool you!
I follow the forums and your posts are becoming more and more aggressive and your starting to look like your panicking
Tell me, how many times have you been pirated??
I suggest you take a few days of the game before you do yourself an injury.
BHs often camp pirates and farm them, is that acceptable behavior? It's not if it's a pirate doing it?
I try to play the game with some level of class. Once I sink someone I offer to fleet them, rescue their crew, give back their stuff (sometimes), and tow them to a port. I leave them alone after even if they are a BH.
On the other hand BHs usually attack me nonstop, not even the decency to let me repair my ship before attacking again. I know it's part of the pirate life so I am not asking for a rule change.
But it does seem as though the BHs are worse than most pirates in the way they treat other players.
And of course that is not all or even most of them, just some.
I have been sunk by the finest of both pirates and BHs.
You deserve to keep your goods if you storage skill is r20. You earned it.
With the right gear on I am r20 plunder, wonder who would win that? About to refine it soon.