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Pay2win from day 1

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  • gd6noobgd6noob Posts: 31Member Beginner
    IMHO, Most if not ALL online games are pay2win nowadays. This is how game dev/publishers make their money.. they offer the game free but charge you for the extra goodies. This is how games will be, eventually.
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    Netmarble , OGP and papaya are not charities.

    They don’t turn up to work each day for free.

    But I think that nc ships should not exist.

    What’s wrong with just using the ones that can be player made or bought at a ship yard?

    I just wish that papaya found another cash shop incentive other than ships.

    The idea of having to wait for my lvl to reach 44 to get that AOG and it be the best I can have at that lvl.
    That would make me really appreciate the ship more and value it. But I’m reality I could buy a ton of tickets and have one before the weeks ends.


    One thing i will at say about p2w...that only applies if your into pvp.

    For the rest, well if it takes you a little longer to rank casting cos the nc guy next to you can carry more in cargo.

    Or if you rank adventure a little slower cos the guy with nc ship is much faster...

    It doesn’t matter, you don’t lose, you just take it a little slower and enjoy it all the same.

    We don’t need to be in a desperate rush, just need to enjoy ourselves at our own pace.
    ThegnAnsgarCulvernDrysynYunoAloe
  • KainDeKuriKainDeKuri Posts: 0Member Beginner
    Probably they'll fix the turtle ships better, like giving more defense as somebody said, or probably some melee protection (like, being harder to melee with them, but not impossible).

    I haven't seen the in-game shop, btw. But I'd love a beautiful and fast ship, because I miss mine very much.
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    P2W Version 0.1 

    MFCV is making its presence to crush CV. Stay tuned.
  • makaramusmakaramus Posts: 62Member Beginner
    gd6noob
    That strategy is very old one actually... ones using it are really old games(like this one) that didnt update themselves for profit or ones that tring to cheese easy money because their game is not good enought but famous (like clash of titans... game was addictive but not actually good and absolutly p2w)

    Today's f2p trend usually profits more if you are tring to keep many "non paying "customer in game as much as you can so they will entertain players who are actually paying (a lot or few) ... since more player in game harder it becomes to them to quit game too. Since more crowded people means more online experince to them more they willing to pay as result... and this doesnt require any p2w too! wich is great formula (Blizzard really love this policy and a perfect example)
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    No such thing as pay to win in awe only pay to get quicker or pay to get because i don't want to  do it myself. All ships can be obtained through work spice trading  bh escorts resell  farm rare books etc.  You CAN Get all the ships and items with work without money just require work. 


    Pay to win  is if you CANT get the ships or items unless you pay ie.  Untradeable items or if bottles item soooooo rare its not sold in game by other players 


    All the ships you guys are crying about I saw sold for 500mil. ... You can't make 500mil r u kidding me? ?? With spice selling at 150k each? ? Gtfoh lmao


    Stop crying don't be lazy and work for it ...if I get those cash ships b4 you WITHOUT auctions you should be ashamed of yourself lol. STEP IT UP GUYS :D
    CulvernYunoAloe
  • BelogardBelogard Posts: 8Member Beginner
    LOL!  If you can buy items on a game-sanctioned money, then sell those items on a game market, that is RMT, that is P2W.  Get a clue.

    AS FOR PIRATES - Real pirates were hunted down and hung by national navies.  Real pirates could NOT go into cities or towns, without risking arrest and being hung by the local constabulatory.

    There are no REAL PIRATES in this game.  This game has mechanics allowing stronger players to exploit weaker players.  Instead of admitting what jerks they are, they claim to be PIRATES.

    That is so funny.  Keep it up.  I get a kick out of it..."pirates"....LOL!
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    @Belogard take a chill pill.. or become a pirate, cos you just sounded like a jerk yourself
    Culvernlefox271
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    I would make a lousy pirate but I agree what you said about Belogard
  • GrenianGrenian Posts: 14Member Beginner
    I hear these complaints about pay to win often. Even back when FS built ships were winning ESF against store ships or CTCs were passing MLS on the regular. I mean even now people complain about MC or MHAX when I have a modestly built 52 adv clipper that passes both. I think the changes to turtles are fairly pointless personally, if you're going to change them then just remove them from the game altogether, however, like I said in a previous post if you guys ask and enough people agree they may change it. No company wants their player base to be unhappy.
  • mcdevildawgmcdevildawg Posts: 11Member Beginner
    why doesn't paypay respond to these? they know they ruined game? they do not care? will this post ever bee seen last 4 posts never made to light of day and were friendly ones
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  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    ok did anyone see that item that lets you run 5 active skills? anyone notice it becomes inactive in pvp battles? till there is a cash shop AoS for pvp & some sort of teleport to target there is no real pay2win you still need to play2win. that argument falls apart in the face of investment bonds they are totally pay ya way to top ten lists. kinda split on investment bonds being around for the next half a year or so like we'll all benefit from the development of ports but the bonds being ingame at all will make it next to impossible to hit a top ten investment list for anyone but coiners
    Culvern
  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    eh how about no.

    there is just so many Over Powered Cannons you can buy straight forward with cash, and theres very few players with the ranks to use high end player/NPC made ships of which they cant even get the exact same grade as the paid ones since the max level is locked and the paid ones require no level.

    btw that item for NPCs works for 4 skills not 5.
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  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Yes its true cash items are better. They should be or we would not buy them. The papaya company is a business and is supposed to make money.
    All of the cash item are available to everyone even those who have never supported the game with a cent. Just turn on merchant chat, every cash item is WTS there and all you need is ducats so I guess that pay 2 win is available to everyone Equally!
    THawk420
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    Yes,100b per ship eventually. Good luck with this broken system.
  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    Would people learn to math already!!! No amount of bells n whistles hanging off cash shop items can ADD excess cash to the ingame economy unless said bells n whistles are infact bags of in game cash. Sick to death of bringing this up to just get drowned out by blatant ignorance greed and lazyness but really take a look at the multiboxin. No need to pipe up in deference of yours or anyones actions just do yaselfes n the game a favor n try have a look at the bigger picture
    Culvern
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    Once again here we go about alts. How does alts have to do with this thread. The thread is about pay2win from cash shops. How does alts figure into this argument when people keep bringing it up it is a dead horse so why keep beating alts into every forum post makes no sense to me
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Ace, this is what everyone is trying to say about alts:

    Just having alts dies not inject money. Using alts for storage or to learn additional skills does not inject money. We all agree on that.
    The alt fleet that goes to EA and brings back 5x as much cargo does create money in the game.
    Cash shop item Do Not create money period.
    But nanban does. No one can deny that. It is math. Fact.

    So just having alts is not the issue, it's how they are used. If they are created just to earn nanban billions faster, then yes they have a huge affect on the economy.
    If someone without an alt army brings 1 billion worth back while someone with and alts brings 5 billion back......the latter has 5x more to outspend on 80b ships. Math.
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    This post is not about alt.

    I challenge the ethics of of the event ticket introduced by the new publisher PPPlay.

    I see a rather strange illogic here:

    because something is tradeable, it is ok to be OP, even though it is not obtainable from the game mechanics. And thus it is not pay to win.

    What sbout 100b, then 200b for some new ships? What if a ship is 1000b? What about a piece of OP part like super cannon price at 10b but nobody selling?

    OGP went closure as a result of trying to sell p2w. Now it is PPPlay’s turn.



    Culvern
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Sorry communism fails.
  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    your talking amounts of money impossible for 1 account to hold counting both characters storage if no one has alts then no one can pay the outrages prices


    did anyone read what I said about investment bonds they are really the only pay 2 win item n even that is debatable as its not like you don't need some amount of game play to get to use them. theres still no I win button in the cash shop n gods help us all if there ever is
    Culvern
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