Unpopular, but....

LerxstLerxst Posts: 111Member Trainee
I know it's an unpopular view around here, but... I hate "alts". It's not just the immersion factor that they kill - seeing a bunch of brain-dead zombies mindlessly following their leader - it's that this game has already been  abused by mechanics that publishers introduced, but if that weren't enough, players also take advantage of it using alts.

For one, the extra cargo space in ships that cut the amount of times people need to be on the seas, by 1/2 - 1/3. Whether you acknowledge it or not, this factor alone destroys the economy over time. Not only does it mean you sell 2-3 times as much in one shot, but it takes people off the seas. The less often people travel on the sea, the few options for piracy. The less piracy, the more imbalanced the economy becomes. 

It's no wonder PvP has been re-buffed because of this, but there would be no need for it to be, if people just. spent. more. time. sailing. Remember ESTB's? The reason they were  fast-track to tanking the economy was because... they took people off the seas.

Another related factor  is power-leveling, especially Trade skills. If you sell 3x as much, your skill goes up that much faster. Giving you access to bigger and better boats, that much faster. Which then skyrockets your wealth, that much faster. Which allows you access to bigger and better things to help level your other skills, that much faster.

There's no way to kill a game faster, than power-leveling to the end of it, then complaining about nothing to do and leaving. Figure, what's the purpose of making more money if there's nothing left to spend it on until other people catch up to you and then start charging more for the crafted goods... which tanks the economy and removes all the new players form the game. Welcome back to the same, dead UWO you were all playing under OGP.

Not to mention other ways of abusing the system, such as pirates idling an alt they can use to "spy" on traders leaving a safe port, while their main stays just outside of safe waters along the route.

It's also not in PP's best interest to allow this, since it cuts into the cash shop items they can and do offer. Extra storage? Who needs it if you have 3x the room? If they can't make money off the game, what do you think the end result will be?

Fine... if you want the "constructive"" feedback portion of this post: Make alts legitimate characters allowed online via the same account on the same screen without any OS or game-launcher manipulation. The catch? Only allow alts to fleet together if they are within 1 +/- levels of each 3 skills of the main. If you want to play an alt for the purpose of exploiting the economy, you should have to pay for that alt and spend just as much time leveling each of them, as you do your main toon. IE - If you accidentally level your main in any of the other two, non-trade skills, you then have to level your alt to match before they can rejoin your fleet. You would also have to take the time and split the profits on trade runs, between all 3 characters to ensure they level at the same pace.

That alone, would solve the most severe impact alts have on the game; people would need to spend more time at sea, making more trade runs, being the much more susceptible to pirates stealing their cargo, requiring that much more time at sea.


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  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    No, UWO should not be one dimensional. Apparently, you forgot that there are other factors that can ruin economy such as private farms, UWC, Colony's Printer, and others. Now, we have travelling merchant and can buy EA goods at SF ,so I doubt players would spend on dungeons unless they're pure dungeoneers. As for being time, dungeon is only way to make ducats because of reset then they will focus on claim farm, Boston, Colony, etc.

    Tbh, there will never balance gameplay as long as players retort to dirty tactics or try to break game ie pirate's spies, using alts for private farms and printer, etc, use Investment Bonds ,so you get gist of it.

    Furthermore, many players especially pirates tend to be lazy ,so there is no way for you tell them to sail.
    pekkauwerCulvernDyhalto
  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    Oh you can scratch off dungeon because it's still nerfed.
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    Sounds like another ranting.

    Regardless of what OP's view is, a lot of people prefer solo rather than team work. They have the rl money but not time therefore cannot depend on others for activities like adventure, production and even spice / nanban trade. They will always look like mindless zombies to OP coz there is no need to socialize with OP unless OP is interested in buying or selling what they need or have.

    Shall we force those beo-soloist to abandon their playstyle? Probably not! Because they do puchase premium contents (probably for the sake of pay2win on every aspect) and therefore valuable to this server.
    pekkauwerLyonesseJoseph
  • pekkauwerpekkauwer Posts: 187Member Beginner
    again i repeat

    THIS IS MMORPG WHICH STAND MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME not
    MSPORPG WHICH STANDS MASSIVE SINGLE PLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME

    MMORPG demand cooperation between player not USE YOUR OWN BOTS TO FOLLOW YOU
    yes from today if i see two-5 player around i will call you botters
    makaramusWesDoobnerTHawk420procrastinatorx3LyonesseJosephDyhalto
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    So that means if some one has the recommended 3 that is aloud they a botter also? No one should tell someone how they should play by your feelings of the way you play. Everyone has their own style and should not be judged on it
    Culvern
  • ThegnAnsgarThegnAnsgar Posts: 10Member Beginner
    I agree Lerxst. Though the easiest solution to stop multiboxing is just to give us more vault slots, and then disallow multiboxing. Though knowing the state of the community in this game. Loads of people will whine about that.
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  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    There is no way giving us more inventory boxes will help casters or shipbuilders since they need extra room for making ships and to do fusion. So how will we help them?
    Culvern
  • ThegnAnsgarThegnAnsgar Posts: 10Member Beginner
    Can easily increase the ship inventory amount too. It's seriously trivial to do. Multiboxing is annoying, and should be killed, and these two things will do it. F2P Runescape has more bank space than this game for crying out loud.
    "Trust no one, wear shoes with reversed footprints, and never sit away from an entrance. Windows count as entrances."
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    How will multiboxing will kill  this game> It takes more then that to do it
  • ThegnAnsgarThegnAnsgar Posts: 10Member Beginner
    I said multiboxing should be killed (as in it shouldn't be allowed anymore), not that it will kill the game. Though it certainly doesn't help the game. It's damaging to the game environment and shouldn't be encouraged. Fixing the inventory issue and the number of ships you can have at any one time will help alleviate the reliance people have on their mule accounts.
    Dyhalto
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  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    But yet the developer and the server doesn't so I guess multis will stay
  • pekkauwerpekkauwer Posts: 187Member Beginner
    facepalm + facedesk

    thats why this people should be banned(not mention you ThegnAnsgar and Lersxt)

    theres already inventory expansion bag in cash shop
    theres already shared storage and strongbox in cash shop
    theres already dock expansion storage in cash shop

    sigh talking to idiot is useless better call em botter
    KainDeKuriWesDoobnerTHawk420procrastinatorx3LyonesseJoseph
  • ThegnAnsgarThegnAnsgar Posts: 10Member Beginner
    Problem is those expansion slots are pitiful. For how much they cost, and for how much they expand your inventory by, it's kind of ridiculous. Even in F2P Runescape, without having to do anything at all, you get 83 bank slots. Registering your email gives you 103 slots. Paying for a subscription ($8 a month) gives you 571 bank slots. If you want more, you can pay $85 to increase that to 1271, and if you stop paying for membership that goes down to 803 in F2P.

    Let's take a look at what you get in UWO:
    For Dock storage, you get 4 additional slots for about $50 total
    Captain's bag twice gives you 10 more slots for about $35 total
    Binder you can only use once and gives you 5 more slots for about $12 total
    Vault you can only use once and gives you 5 more slots for about $18 total
    Skills expansion you can only use once and it gives you 3 more slots for about $36 total (though I won't include this in the final amount)
    Inventory you can increase 60 times by 1 each for about $930 total

    So for roughly $1045 you can get 84 additional permanent item slots. That is ridiculous. There is no way that it should cost that much. Even with a strongbox permit and both long term storage permits, you don't get near as much for your money as you do in Runescape.
    pekkauwerIngean
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  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    Not everyone buys from cash shop for 1. And to say someone that uses multis as rules made by the server and cause I say what I think I am an idiot and should be banned, Why not ban a fool like you who thinks the game should be played the way you want it to be. First they give the pirates their way cause they cry cause they can't steal inventory and now people like you cry about people using alts. People like you are the idiots cause we don't do things the way you all want it
  • rangerzfanrangerzfan Posts: 96Member Beginner
    The game was designed by Koei to allow alts. Multibox abuser many times are easy to spot. Screenshot them and send to PP and let them sort it out. Otherwise, you are wasting your time. 
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  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    Oh but didn't know people like them need to complain cause they want pirates to take inventory and now nerf multibox people and have us banned
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    @pekkauwer

    You got your definition wrong mate. The prefix is "massively multiplayer" (note the adverb) which indicates only that a lot of people can play it simultaneously.

    The important bit is the suffix RPG, which indicates people can CHOOSE HOW THEY PLAY THEIR ROLE.

    I think you're getting confused with the Stalinist version of the game where everyone has to do what you say.
    pekkauwerKainDeKuriLyonesseJosephDyhaltoIngean
  • makaramusmakaramus Posts: 62Member Beginner
    instead of punishing multiboxers we need to make it pointless...

    maybe give people exp from trade when they buy it from market with good price instead when you sell them or sometinglike that...I mean make ever character benefit itself by doing stuff and boost his party a little compared to him... I mean force him to strenght himself
    Dyhalto
  • LerxstLerxst Posts: 111Member Trainee
    @rangerzfan The game was designed with a $1 billion limit. How many people multibox yet still bitch about not having enough room in the bank? The game also allowed for multiple characters; don't confuse this with multiple characters playing at the same time. In order to play multiple characters at the same time, you basically have to "break" the game - open up multiple launchers or use a 3rd party program.
    xibwizThegnAnsgarDyhalto
  • LerxstLerxst Posts: 111Member Trainee
    @makaramus I still think that making it legitimate but requiring every character to be within 1 or 2 levels in order to fleet, should be mandatory. 

    People can still multi, but they'll need to invest equal time and money for every single character. That means sailing would need to be split between 3 of them. Combat would need to be split between 3 of them. Trading and selling would need to be split between 3 of them. Make it cost such an investment in time and money, and have to maintain that  that there would be almost no incentive to multi anymore. Keeping 3 toons within one level of each other will be a balancing act that won't be worth it for most players.

    This will make most Trade grinding take 3 times as long and most Maritime grinding nearly impossible. The only skill that may be kept reasonably close might be Adventure. Which then gives an advantage to player choosing to grind Maritime or deal with the tedium of trading three-ways.

    I have no issue with using a "mule" for storage, since that alt will not actually be a part of the game economy. I don't mind others using ones for crafting since goods will still have to be acquired fairly and chances are, they won't be able to fleet due to level differences, which means one trip to India and one trip back with one character for each load. I do have an issue with people tripling their profits at the same rate a regular player, without needing to invest a single in-game-dime into the alts, thereby ruining the economy by getting a 3 for 1 deal with every single trade run.

    I'd also seriously suggest limiting the amount of cash shop ships, to 1 per account. That would definitely bring alt usage to a crashing halt.
  • HeavyWaterHeavyWater Posts: 138Member Trainee
    'I'd also seriously suggest limiting the amount of cash shop ships, to 1 per account. That would definitely bring alt usage to a crashing halt.'

    So umm, why would Papaya do that when it would cut into their profits... Considerably..?
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  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    OMG some people.....
    xibwiz
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    You know people keep complaining about alts being used but what about the people that steal peoples stuff and full their hold and sell the stuff and then do it all over again. That would effect the economy more don't you think?
    xibwiz
  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    Of course pirates affect the economy but a good lot of the UWO community are to thick, simple, soft n wimpy or a combo of the lot to see anything other than what ya crying over right this moment. Just keep it up its a sickly kind of funny watchin multiboxers call any other gamer out on bein a crumb n it never gets old.
    pekkauwerThegnAnsgar
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    Because people use multi's and don;t like getting hit by pirates that want to have all the fun and ruin non pirates fun then that means people are simple, soft, and wimpy. So I guess that means pirates are bullies then
  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    Correct me if I'm wrong but UWO is for the most part a game set at sea across the age of sail right? Pirates still to this day menace trade ships?? And last I checked no one is ment to like gettin pirated. That hate n anger is how your ment to know that its not something to be liked. IT ISN'T that you dont like it. IT ISN'T that ya cry about it. IT IS HOWEVER the fact yas need to be told that its not ment to be super enjoyable you are ment to feel like someone has done you wrong. The worst of it has to be how yas squeal like wounded pigs that something needs to be done like yeah take all the guns out of COD cause I don't like gettin shot at.... would so tell ya straight but lets just leave my colorful conclusion to the imagination ay

  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    So if pirates are part of the game so is multi's which is set by the dev and is allowed so you can't say one doesn't work with out the other and pirates use alts as a means to see if a fleet is coming to a port
    pekkauwerlefox271
  • pekkauwerpekkauwer Posts: 187Member Beginner
    again, i said THawk420 stop replying, we cant win with idiots.....
    procrastinatorx3THawk420
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    The idiots is the ones who tell people how they should play their game unless they  was pirates and you call people idiots cause they follow your idea of the way UWO goes
    pekkauwerlefox271xibwiz
  • pekkauwerpekkauwer Posts: 187Member Beginner
    as far as i check, myself have been pirated 4 times at netmarble and 3 times at OGP and never become a pirate.... hmm guess it isnt worth to talking to idiot who think they know myself xP
    procrastinatorx3
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