Papaya, do something about multiboxing already!

ulfberht · October 2017

Or why you viped server at all?

aceman39 · October 2017

You know people make me laugh. They act like multiboxing was the reason for the wipe. It wasn't and the game is made to alow alts so why not give it a rest already and stop complaining about alts and just worry about how you play and not anyone else

pekkauwer · October 2017

*whistling* *passing by*

HelloAll · October 2017

He must be german....’they viper da serva ya’

aceman39 · October 2017

You noticed this is the same argument over and over. People need to give it a rest

THawk420 · October 2017

maybe when different people keep calling out the same issue it could do with looking into. It also keeps coming up that the game is intended to be played with alts this would be true for any game wouldn't it, commonly called replayabilty. This is in no way the same as playing more than 1 character at a time. If you really can't see how its abuse of the system i really don't know what to say... short of bugger off n let someone else at that air your burning to fuel a brain that don't seem to be firing on all cylinders. Like its one thing to do it knowin its wrong be it a guilty pleasure or a brazens screw you i don't really care good on ya but don't try tell me it's not going to affect the economy that makes you a dead set fool and not worth taking the time to slap out of my way in passing.

aceman39 · October 2017

So another WORDS if we don't agree with a pompus ass like you then I am a brainless fool. Because you want the game the way you see it and only your way. People use alts for other reasons then to "Ruin" the economy you think. They use it for storage alts when doing crafting and shipbuilding but fools like you only have a small brain and think they are always right and everyone else that don't agree with them is cheated. Why not make a alt and see how it works before insulting people that use them for good reasons. But wait that means you are a cheater also. If it was cheating then why did the dev made it part of the game. They made it part of the game so is the dev cheaters also or are you a mindless idiot that thinks he is better then everyone. And you think by you trying to insult me it helps you feel like a bigger person then knock your socks off. Cause it shows just how small minded you are

THawk420 · October 2017

good suff for catching the bit where i said good on all those doin it not carin if its right or wrong. showed me didn't ya

gd6noob · October 2017

If Koei allows for more skills, larger inventory and more AIDES that can be in ships, there would be no need for alts.

i.e. If we have 3 aides, all 3 should beable to get into their own boats, then there is no reason to have 3 alts sailing around....

THawk420 · October 2017

OMG how did i not see a repeat coming from the for argument

pekkauwer · October 2017

so you want people to sold excalibur for cheap price again?

THawk420 · October 2017

the less on the market the more i get for the unwanted ones i ah find lol

WesDoobner · October 2017

If there was more storage and more ship slot maybe alts wouldn't be necessary, but they are. You can do shipbuilding without alts. Those who complain about alts simply don't know the game well enough to realize that. But you can tell from the way some of these anti-alt people talk there's lots of other stuff they don't realize. They're the kind that start insulting people when they figure out they have no argument.

WesDoobner · October 2017

can't do shipbuilding without alts, that is. damn this lack of edit.

THawk420 · October 2017

total load of garbage all the crap about NEEDING alts for storage is rubish right or dose need mean something different in your world but that aside storage alts and multiboxing is totally not the same ya storage alt shouldn't really be shadowing ya round the world thats moved on from being storage.

WesDoobner · October 2017

No, the total load of garbage is all the douchecanoes who think they can tell other people how to play a game. Play your game and don't stick your big nose in mine.

THawk420 · October 2017

sorry there captain but my game is all about gettin your nose out of joint cant wait till i'm back out there runnin amuk

aceman39 · October 2017

Running amok means telling people how to play their game. And sometimes when you ship build or caste you have to travel and if you need your alt for storage how the hell is he going to hold stuff if you are in Alexandria or other places if you leave your alt in London. You make no sense and you really don;t have a clue how the game is made to work

THawk420 · October 2017

oh no I wont have much time for talk in game

aceman39 · October 2017

Oh no you will just sit in Seville and run around looking for alts to make a fuss about

THawk420 · October 2017

totally what I'll be doin xDDD

Lerxst · October 2017

@Wes Dude... MULTIPLAYER. If you crash the market in London, you just screwed other traders like you in that city over... hence, multiplayer game. If you have the ability to change the game other people are playing, no one can claim the "let me play my game, my way" argument.

lefox271 · October 2017

@Lerxst

Your example is totally fallacious. If you have 3 shiploads of trade goods you can still only sell one ship's cargo at a time. If you depress the market by selling the entire first load - the only person you hurt is yourself - because you still have two ship loads to sell.

Anyone can depress a market with a relatively small cargo - you don't have to be a 'multi-boxer' as you call it. I've even done it accidentally to myself, selling jewels.

And besides, the market algorithms for each type of trade good: (a) have limits; and (b) have their own dynamics. So - what do you do if the price is low and you don't want to wait - GO TO ANOTHER TOWN. Isn't that what traders do anyway?

You've said elsewhere you haven't played the game for five years.

Well maybe you should play it for a few months and learn how it works nowadays before you start telling people what's broken and what they need to do to fix it. You're talking like you know it all, but you don't and frankly it shows.

Hell - if what I read is correct we're not even in SEA yet, let alone EA. It's just doesn't make sense for anyone to say "the economy is broken" - no one has any evidence for that, it's just speculation and (mostly) prejudice.

Donny71 · October 2017

thats why i say ban the ones who are cheating using 5 alts. those morons are the ones running to africa and caribbean buying up gold raising the prices over 200%. then dumping them in seville portugal and any other port close enough to ruin the market for everyone else. nothing like coming back from a voyage only to land in your home port and see prices at 57% for what you just sailed to buy because some 5 toons fuckwit cheater dump 500 of what ever trade good you just brought back with you

xibwiz · October 2017

Its not needed 5alts to crash a market that way. With just 1 character is enough to make crash any market with enough ammount of goods, sometimes it will crash with just 10 items of same kind too.

aceman39 · October 2017

See but you can't tell them that. In their small minds it is people that use alts fault. I know on Gama when I was sewing and selling the stuff right back to Calcutta the market crashed, but wait it is using alts that is the reason it happens. They don't think how many might be selling the same thing and some are just fleet of 5 from a comp and not alts. But hey they know it all

KainDeKuri · October 2017

Probably the only way to settle this discussion is having a GM here saying "We will allow alts, period" (even if they already said we will allow alts, up to 1 or 2 I think).

Seperallis · October 2017

On a practical note, I hear a lot of crying about "multiboxing", yet no one suggesting how it can be done. The only sure-fire way to completely ban all multiclienting is to ban the use of any more than 1 character being logged in at any 1 time from any 1 location...and even that wouldn't stop VPN usage on 2 or more machines. You could suggest that GMs follow every player all the time, perhaps, because surely every two-character fleet where one person is auto-following the other must be a multi...except that my wife auto-follows me everywhere when she's playing, and I'd really like to not get banned for playing with her, thank you very much.

As much as you might not like it (and I didn't like it when I started either), playing multiple clients is neither mechanically nor morally similar to hacking, cheating, or whatever other cute words you want to bandy about:

1) It is expressly allowed by the client's code. Koei could have hard-coded a limit of one client on a machine at one time...but they didn't: you can open up to two clients on one machine at one time, and no more. Obviously there are people that have worked around this through third-party methods, and I'm not against calling that some kind of cheating because it's obviously not what Koei intended...but if all "multiboxing" were cheating, then Koei could have just hard-coded that "one client, one machine" limit.

2) The Terms of Service you didn't read implies the allowance of multiboxing while also recognizing that a single person controlling a fleet of five characters named "A," "AA," "AAA," "AAAA," and "AAAAA" is incredibly silly (I swear to Mogg, I've seen it and things like it) and should be stopped because it's gamey as hell...but they also recognize they can't stop it all, because the methods to do so would severely impact families of individual people from playing together, or even separately but at the same time.

Then there's the flimsy and uninformed "it kills the economy!" Sunshine, I hate to burst your bubble, but there was "multiboxing" in UWO long, long before the inflation-spiral swung into full effect and the economy would have been "ruined" even if it didn't exist. What killed "the economy" was a long series of boneheaded decisions by both the developer and publishers (though mostly the latter), the most notorious and probably most damaging being the introduction of ESBTs - a fact highlighted by Koei as being fact by the fact that they had to nerf them into the dust.

Why am I bothering?

Why do i bother to write this?

Maybe I need to just get it off my mind;

it's not like anyone who needs to read it will stop rolling their faces on their keyboards long enough to do so, assuming it even gets past moderation.

...and why am I still moderated?

Why do I have no posts to my name and have to wait 24+ hours for something to show up, while others can post useless dreck and insult each other with no delay at all?

This is all incredibly silly.

fcisco96 · October 2017

You sound like somebody that doesn't know how to do something so he hates everybody who knows.

Sipiath · October 2017

I still haven't figured out multiboxing (I seem to only be able to open the client once on my computer: further attempts won't allow me to connect to the server), but it doesn't bother me in and of itself. Let's be honest: the economy in this game has a ton of problems, of which multiboxing (possibly) is only one.

I do get annoyed with all the terrible names, but then I get annoyed seeing people running around with ridiculous names that aren't multi-boxing. I just don't complain about it, because people can use whatever names they want.

Short version: people play the way they play, and there's not much we can do about it, except take a deep breath and keep enjoying the game.

Papaya, do something about multiboxing already!

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