Shame on you!

purplepirate · October 2017

Well, here we are with the new game up and running and i must say that as much as i love this game and will always play it, i find so many people to be hypocrites. For weeks before the game launched everyone was talking about rebuilding the game and economy and HELPING new players come into and enjoy this game. Well with barely 2 weeks now up and all I've seen everywhere is people price gouging everyone for self gain. Seriously, 100m for +1sklll items in the comp shops and 100k for mcct's? This is suppose to help rebuild our game??? If anything the old OG world was better as the prices were at least reasonable. Now all this is is 'everyone out for them selves'. What are you people thinking???? New players can't afford those prices and will be discouraged from playing, and old vets should know better then pay out dumb prices that you are asking for, so who are you trying to sell to? If this game is going to appeal to new and old players alike we ALL have to do our parts to rebuilding and helping each other NOT just yourself. Shame on all you selfish greedy people :(

lefox271 · October 2017

I have just paid 5 mil for a +2 Storage jewelry box; 1 mil for a +1 Storage staff of ibis; and 10k for a +1 Storage apron dress.

All paid for out of a 10mil Challenge mission Reward for reaching lvl 50.

So they are all within the reach of a newbie, and I think they were all reasonably priced.

purplepirate · October 2017

@lefox271 yes those are reasonably priced. It's nice to know there are a 'few' of us that still can see and follow that ideal, I wish more people saw it that way.

aceman39 · October 2017

Next you will see is someone say it is peoples fault who use alts as that seems like what some people blame it all on. People need to think like this it is supply and demand. If the supply is slim pickens and the demand is high the price always goes up. It is economics 101

fields1234 · November 2017

Just give it time, soon once others level up to make stuff like MCCTs and other items the prices will fall dramaticly.

Imagine you live in a town with say 2 supermarkets, prices will stay competitive between the 2, but say 1 burns down. IN THEORY at least, the surviving supermarket could push prices up because of the extra demand they would have gained.

Now lets just say the 2 supermarkets are running normally again, and say a 3rd supermarket came to town, that means the prices will fall maybe even lower than before.

I realise it is not ideal at the moment for many things, but just try not to get to far ahead of yourselves, maybe instead of wanting the fastest ship in the game and buy parts at silly prices only for next week a new ship is needed cause you just unlocked another ship, why not just level your ship upgrades back a little and think ahead slightly. No point in making you bankrupt in the process.

Personally I would shout out in company see if there is a caster and run dungeons etc and make your own, do a MCCT grind within your company or friends group.

aceman39 · November 2017

I am taking it step by step. I go to India grind my sewing and then by pepper and bring it back and even refit my ship for a bigger hold for grinding sewing and just worry about grind and the levels come with it and I do the IQ quest while there. So I am killing 4 birds with one stone :)

Lerxst · November 2017

@Aceman But.. it IS alts fault, partially. How large are your ships' holds... COMBINED? You carry that much more than a single player. You sell that much more than a single player. You level up that much more than a single player. You grind IQs that much faster than a single player. You complete more quests in less time, than a single player. You earn the quest rewards that much more often and faster than a single player... you also introduce those quest rewards into the market that much faster than a single player.

Get over yourself. This isn't an attack on your personal play style. I don't believe for one second that you believe any of the BS you're shoveling at anyone else either. You know everything I am mentioning is true. I played it myself to test and I can tell you IT'S ALL TRUE. If you're personal play style it "cheating the system" then... congratulations. You win. GG. Go enjoy your ghost-town of a game that OGP left for you because there is no way in hell new players will stick around.

My company had 12 - 3 are active. My friends list had 20 and 2 are ever online. This is the exact same bullshit that happened after Netmarble abandoned this game and it happened again after OGP took over the game.

You can't blame the publisher anymore when the only thing that's been a constant is the player base. And it's the players like you, that want to manipulate the system, "trick" the programming and create a system of abuse that the game was never designed around, that drive off the honest players and deter the new players,

I'm done. You, one again, killed what should have been a great game.

Good luck sailing through the tumbleweeds.

aceman39 · November 2017

If you read what I wrote above did you see me mention a alt. My alt is still a noob in London and I have not developed him yet. I have my ship and my aide ship. If that is cheating the system Then Hell I guess everyone is a cheater and that includes the ones who buy the ships from the UWC shop the ones who run dungeons and the resellers. HELL the game has nothing but cheaters then. You should learn to read closer what was said and not what you want to read and if you feel like everything everyone does is not to your like then why play and if you are going to quit why come on here just to say we all cheat?

THawk420 · November 2017

Ace you git go n read the last comment of mine you replied to if ya wanna talk about people missing what they're reading.

lefox271 · November 2017

@Lerxst

I am sorry to see you go. Papaya didn't treat you well - not giving you any founders rewards. I understand you feel bitter about that because when the game restarted I was in the same position. I was lucky and got them a few days after.

But UWO is a great game and I think you've let your experience with Papaya get in the way of that.

After I got my founder's rewards I decided to go on without them anyway. The first real money I got was a 10mil cheque in the game rewards for reaching 50 levels.

I play two characters - not a 'main' and an 'Alt' - two distinct characters. It's hard work. They both made R10 Storage last night - that's a hell of a lot of Tuna! When I've stopped leveling their skills and start reaping the benefits of two high level characters working together I shall have a clear conscience.

I think three mules mindlessly grinding trade routes for cash is just pointless. But it's what a few people want to do. Well if that's how they want to spend their time, fine.

But don't think all people who run Alts are the same. Don't think we're all out to fleece you. They're a lot of good people out here just enjoying their game - and who just happen to find uses for extra characters.

I hope you can get over your own disappointment with Papaya and see the value of playing the game again.

Best wishes.

WesDoobner · November 2017

Shame on the OP for being such a moron. The whole object of this game is to buy stuff for low prices and sell as high as possible. Repeat - BUYING LOW AND SELLING HIGH is how this game works. That doesn't prevent me from helping someone out, or giving away some pepper or nutmeg if I want to, but still you would think people would be able to grasp the basic concepts of the gameplay here.

aceman39 · November 2017

But they don;t and then they complain about the way the game works but then they say they love the game. How can they bad mouth one and then they say they love the game go figure

theedgedemon · November 2017

the fall in productivity resulting from everyone losing their stats with the reset that you so much wanted is the reason for the high prices, and you know that, for your specific case of MCCT, most of them on market come from challenge rewards not from production, since they are a single time thing people charge for them as if they were gold, when in truth they are not really needed at this point in time, because low end ships don't deserve that kind of investment.

very few have the ranks to make those items and those of us who do have em, don't bother with them since we are busy getting back what was taken from us.

@Lerxst how much does the cargo of 3 toons at average current level hold? less than a single r20 TLG, and half of what a clipper + aide ship could haul before, No one will sell you spice at 30k when they spent 3 hours to get 200-400 spice.

you may want instant gratification for free but this isn't that kind of game.

P.D.: if Lerxst is actually leaving i can only say you will not be missed.

aceman39 · November 2017

Lerxst leaves that would be one less to cry over not getting his/her way. People act like they believe things should be how they want it and screw you if you disagree with them. For one that leaves 3 new players come in and take up the void and the game keeps going on

THawk420 · November 2017

news flash the 3 new players are only alts & Ace you really need to read back over some of the crap your busy cloggin threads with. oops my bad a dip shit like you lacks the ability to see where ya made mistakes even if ya could pick up on it admitting it to yourself n learning from it would be beneath you. am i right? go on tell me I'm not

VictoriasSecret · November 2017

So ... "shame on selfish greedy people" in a game where trading (for profit) is sort of... a big deal? lulz

aceman39 · November 2017

You n=know I think you just find anything and change it to what you want it in your small mind. And people like you see a newbie join the game and first thing you think it is a alt. People like you need to stop looking for ways to explain your short comings in this game or anything else.

purplepirate · November 2017

@WesDoobner The whole object of this game is to buy stuff for low prices and sell as
high as possible. Repeat - BUYING LOW AND SELLING HIGH is how this game
works.

Yes i agree, however there's a difference between making an honest profit and maliciously gouging people for garbage items. Regularly in gamma i would take advantage of good deals and resell for a profit. An example is when i would see PO's selling for like 600-700k. I would snatch those up and resell them for 750-800k. I get a bit of profit and still sell at reasonable price considering some people would sell for 1m each (which i did see a price gouging then). PO's are easy to get form login tickets, low lvl quests and dungeons. It's the same now, i'm seeing people trying to sell easy to get +1 skill items for 100m. Sometimes you just gotta say "GET REAL PEOPLE!". xD

@theedgedemon

the
fall in productivity resulting from everyone losing their stats with
the reset that you so much wanted is the reason for the high prices, and
you know that, for your specific case of MCCT, most of them on market
come from challenge rewards not from production, since they are a single
time thing people charge for them as if they were gold, when in truth
they are not really needed at this point in time, because low end ships
don't deserve that kind of investment.

well, i didn't want the reset. Even though i had only been playing just less than 2 years, i was still quite developed. At the very least i wished i could've kept my skill set over my ships and items. But it is what it is, so i'm starting over like everyone else. At least this time I know how to build my character properly.

As for your case about the mcct's, i would agree with this if the items weren't common made items but rare hard to get items. With proper skill grinding, some PO's and all the boosts that are on right now anyone can get to r12 casting in a couple days. Yes i'm sure that there's more than enough people by now that could make regular supplies. Within the first week, i heard people already stating that they maxed certain skills and from what i learned on OG from other players, i was able to do the same in just a couple of dedicated days. I just hope we don't see this trend continue for very long :)

WesDoobner · November 2017

so when you buy nutmeg for 200 and sell for 25000 at market, is that a dishonest profit? No, there is no such thing. the bigger the profit the better, if you can't understand that, then I don't have to worry about you for competition. But good luck to you anyway.

theedgedemon · November 2017

@purplepirate An example is when i would see PO's selling for like 600-700k. I would snatch those up and resell them for 750-800k.

funny thing many people me included wouldn't consider that honest profit.

@purplepirate i would agree with this if the items weren't common made items but rare hard to get items.

you would need several days of your time only to get the ranks needed and then you have to waste hours collecting White ore because *surprise* no farms to get it and Kokkola is not developed enough to sell it, just to give away the fruit of your effort? if people spend hours they will want to gain enough to at least replace what they would have made for instance doing spice in the same span, which btw is several millions.

@purplepirate With proper skill grinding, some PO's and all the boosts that are on right now anyone can get to r12 casting in a couple days.

the boost you yourself say are selling at 100m? non counting 800k-1m each PO, you need around 100, and time which is generally more valuable than anything, i do agree you can get to r12 casting in a few days, and that is why i suggest you spend your time to do it instead of complaining what those who did charge for it.

khylah · November 2017

@Wes,

"so when you buy nutmeg for 200 and sell for 25000 at market, is that a dishonest profit? No, there is no such thing. the bigger the profit the better, if you can't understand that, then I don't have to worry about you for competition. But good luck to you anyway."

so ya.. a lot to say about this one. Selling it at the cost of 200k or better I've seen in Seville for SPICE that is usually marked 30k or more even that was not a

profit back in the day.. now its even higher markup and even less return for anyone BUYING your spices to sell for levels. Noone needs to do this by the way

trade your own way up and work your butt off then you will see the games worth over the resellers crap.

WesDoobner · November 2017

I would be glad to sell some pepper at 200k each, except that I need all my pepper for trade experience points. In fact I have bought some of the pepper at 200k each with my 30 mil profit from selling the pepper I bought in Calicut just to resell for a few extra experience points. I'm going to let everyone in on a little secret - it's not real money.

khylah · November 2017

Yah that's another thing people should be aware of. The bilking underhanded scamming of selling Venetian pepper as India goods. Not accusing you of doing that.. however; this has been done and its underhanded and dirty. people call that fair play too. Fair to whom?

THawk420 · November 2017

how did we from nutmeg to pepper

khylah · November 2017

@THawk420 .. does that really need to be answered? I think Wes there jumped right on the pepper when I mentioned the price of some of the spices in Seville.

WesDoobner · November 2017

Nutmeg, pepper, fennel, they're all spices. Same concept applies.

WesDoobner · November 2017

FYI - did you know that nutmeg and mace come from the same plant?

lefox271 · November 2017

Thanks Wes nice to see the discussion being steered into safer waters. So on the same theme what about hemp as a low grade cannabis.

Should we get Papaya to change it from a fabric to a medicine? Hemp could be the start of the drugs trade [rubs hands] lots of ducats to be made there!

No wonder Ace likes sewing - he's been smoking his mats.

aceman39 · November 2017

Laughs hey don't give my secrets away lol

KainDeKuri · November 2017

Lol, that selling stuff is just 1/3 of the game! As an adventurer, for me the whole game is discovering new things and digging up treasure. I couldn't care less about money xD. And for maritimers i bet the whole stuff is to be the most powerful at battle. So... reducing the game to vile money isn't the point.

I agree with purplepirate.

mondobogus · November 2017

I see what you're saying, but I think you look at things the wrong way. It has nothing to do with alts, or how much players are selling items for. It has to do with how much players are BUYING things for. If nobody bought anything at ridiculous prices, then prices would drop because the sellers wouldn't be selling.

With that said, it still doesn't matter. There isn't a single thing in this game that you absolutely NEED to play it; everything is want. You don't want to see the crazy prices of things? Keep merchant chat off (as I do). As for Company shops, a lot of the high priced items are priced that way so people don't buy them...it's just extra storage space.

If you're worried about new players seeing things the way you do, why sit here complaining about it?!?! Try just playing the game and inform the newcomers they don't need things, or can obtain them without buying from other players. You mentioned MCCTs for example: grind casting...get the farm by India...make your own.

I play 2 toons, and sometimes a 3rd just to get more vault spaces. I was in Calicut with all 3, and sailed back with just 160 pepper. I COULD have gotten a lot more, but I don't feel the need to waste as much time on trading vs adventuring and SBing. That's how I play....now quit complaining.

BTW I do have an ETC but I payed $$ for those tickets to get one. Be happy you CAN get one with duactes...regardless of the sellers price.

Shame on you!

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