Did PapayaPlay really "Fixed" the game economy?

gd6noobgd6noob Posts: 31Member Beginner
I didnt really see that. 

FATS are not costing 6B
Noc Panel 8B

The next event ticket, i can see 10B prices for ships/parts... then a few months later, 60B prices...
So how exactly did papaya fix the game economy? I dont really that...

Ive suggest that the lotto thing is one of the reasons what drives the in game prices, which papaya should just put the items in the cash shop at rotating intervals... this will help keep the prices of items at decent prices. 

Now new players who join who doesnt know the game well, will be at a low disadvantage because of this and then we will be back to where we were with OGP....

There are a few other things that can cause this aswell... im just stating my opinion just about this Event Ticket.
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  • gd6noobgd6noob Posts: 31Member Beginner
    Or another suggestion, maybe limiting the amount of money (removing cheques) then keeping the Event Ticket thing would be ok...
    KainDeKuriYunoAloe
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    The prices of these things are so high because now everything is rare.
    Nothing will to do with the tickets because look at what people are asking for in game things:

    Mcct (was 35k ea) now 100k ea
    Spice (35k ea) now 300-500k ea

    Less people are able to make certain things so the greedy ones can race to raise lvls to buy lots of spice or make items and sell it for silly prices.

    And the ones that can’t make them or can’t go SEA must then make the choice to buy or do without.

    The economy will settle once things items become more readily available.

    But I think papaya has accidentally made the greed worse.

    Because in the early days of the game people hadn’t experienced high end products so new no better and just enjoyed the game.

    Now most people don’t want to take their time, they want the money, possessions and skills they had back..and asap.

    So people will buy mcct at a silly price so they can continue to grind maritime, or buy spice at a silly price to grind trade and raise alt lvl.

    The wipe has solved nothing and made things worse, but I what’s done is done.

    I’m still really enjoying the game.
    lefox271IdsadarKainDeKuriYunoAloeFugSmuckerthaarsheblows
  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    its exactly how @HelloAll   said, rarity drop with each bottle and throws several prices down, point in case CustomVaiss was selling for 1b, then 800m now its down to their OGP times value of 500m, the same will happen with the rest of the stuff.

    the lotto increases revenue for the company and someone has to pay for the server to keep running,  new players have the option of paying real money themselves like the guys selling those stuff did, the problem with your statement is it would create a direct value relation between ducats and RL money which attracts gold sellers like sh!t, no one should really be able to put a price at what the other invest in the game since even something as simple as 1$ changes in value depending on your circumstances.

    limiting the amount of money will not help i actually believe they should expand it if anything to reduce the number of alts created just to hold stuff and cheques.

    most new players and over 80% of old ones are perfectly able to live on without UWC stuff, with crafting and time investment but if you do struggle i suggest you get into a company, most companies have their own dedicated craftsmen willing to help members with casting / sewing / handicraft and SB.
    xibwiz
    Desire spawns madness, madness collapses into disaster.
    mankind never learns...
  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    just logged in game  
    FATS 2b and Noc Panel 3.4b...

    its happening
    Desire spawns madness, madness collapses into disaster.
    mankind never learns...
  • shelleylshelleyl Posts: 90Member Beginner
    The "economy fix" was a lame excuse for a cash grab, and we are playing right into their hands. We can stop kidding ourselves that it was anything else. Any cash I spend will be for a known quantity, like strongboxes or SSIPs, and since I have, well, nothing yet, I don't need either.  I want to gamble, I get better odds in Reno on the slot machines. I may give them some of their $10 worth of UWCs back in a ticket, if I get especially intoxicated some night, but the strongbox, and saving for the skill slot expansion are higher priority. In the meantime, it is what it is, economy is more broken than ever.
  • CrimsonbunnyCrimsonbunny Posts: 82Member Beginner
    I had high high hopes for this co but it was a let down.If they would have banned  sailing alts  the amount of cash flow would be a lot lower.And the idea of a lv race didnt help the eco any at all it was a bad idea imo.
     
    And high prices are because selling know tons of people sail with alts and have lots of cash 6ships vs 2 ships is  huge in the amount that 1 person has in terms of $$.

    But because they didnt ban alts the eco will just be the say if not worse over time i said this in the first week.

      
    pekkauwerTHawk420chubbychub168xibwiz
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    I wish people get off it is people with alts fault and alts should be banned and alts should not be allowed to sail with a persons main. The ones that say this it is getting old and it is stupid to keep beating a dead horse argument
    pekkauwerKainDeKurimakaramusxibwiz
  • gd6noobgd6noob Posts: 31Member Beginner
    Alts are just one of the contributing factors, even just eliminating alts entirely wont make the economy better. People will just spend RL money to sell cash shop items and would still have billions and still would drive up prices.

    Getting rid of cheques seems like the best solution, sure you can make 50 accounts with 200m ducats.. but is everyone buying/selling willing to go through all that trouble of making this many alts to buy/sell, probably not.

    This way, people would sail around any only do EA runs when they use up their 200m and whatever is the bank.

    KainDeKurichubbychub168xibwiz
  • FlorianGeyerFlorianGeyer Posts: 214Member Trainee
    It was clear as soon as Papaya announced its founders rewards that the balance of the in-game economy would immediately collapse. All that because of one item that should not have been given, it creates the same effect in any online game. Of course I am talking about free in-game money. Especially the huge, oversize, royal,... amounts. 

    Why?
    What is the game about? Since it is an economy based game, what do u think it is about? Indeed, making and multiplying money. So injecting huge amount of money (to only a selected group of players), not only creates an unbalanced players base, it also destroys the entire main upset of the game.

    A huge gap has been slayed immediately between the "rich" and the poor aka the doomed newbies. The rich who already are advantageous by their knowledge now have a monopoly on the price market forgetting that the poor will never be able to effort themselves goods such as spices, skill+ items, SB ships and so on. It will eventually force them to stop with all the consequences as we have faced  twice in the past.

    And let me be clear for once and always, alts are not the problem in the economy issue. Alts are accessible for anyone, including the poor. It are the free CS items and the huge amount of Ducats rewarded to the founders that waste the economy of the game. Still it doesn't refute that it gives a boost in lvl'ing, grinding and stacking when u play multi what might not be fair compared to those who cannot run 2 games at once. 

    Not convinced? Why don't u do the test yourself? (at least if u are a founder...)
    How?
    Start 4 accounts, make two pairs. Make sure 1 pare has at least one founder (veteran account), the other pair has none. You should play both pairs for a same period, do the same grindings, schools, skills,... After a while see for yourself whether:
    1. The Alt made the difference in your economical advance.
    2. Your booster items and cheques made the difference in your economical advance.
    I'l like you to answer in all honesty now what you have noticed is harming the game's economy here?

    Flo
    YunoAloexibwizIngean
    Be safe and prosper!
  • KainDeKuriKainDeKuri Posts: 0Member Beginner
    I agree with that. Making more money available just means making the gap between rich and poor wider. If you only can have the max amount of ducats without cheques, then that could help settle things down.

    One of the biggest problems of real world (probably the biggest one) is precisely economic inequality. Why should we transfer it to a game?
  • YunoAloeYunoAloe Posts: 114Member Trainee
    Was it ever advertised that the wipe was going to fix the economy? It looked to me like a fantasy of posters on this forum. The wipe just happened either because pp and ogp didn't agree on the price of right to reuse the user database, or some cretin suggested that pp will earn more if they wipe the game. Perhaps even not a cretin, if it works out for them. :3 (Unlikely.)
    xibwiz
  • gd6noobgd6noob Posts: 31Member Beginner
    It was announced that Papaya will fix it when they PUT up the single UWO PAGE
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    You don't have to be rich to enjoy the game. New players will be hooked because of the game play itself. High prices for top end ships and parts make no difference to new players. If the game loses new players it's because they don't like the grind.
    xibwizIngean
  • seapiratedeluxeseapiratedeluxe Posts: 140Member Trainee
    The economy is SO BAD that trading for profit ingame is completely useless, you can make so much more money spending 10$ on tickets and selling the items.

    Such a shame to see a wasted opportunity to bring UWO the life it deserves, it is absolutly destroyed already.  The game will not last past 6 months once the intial hype is over the game will die. papaya probly has a set term to host the game but beyond that it will be shut down again im afraid.  But maybe the next host will remove the HARDCORE pay2win that is ruining gaming these days.
    xibwiz
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    "The economy is SO BAD that trading for profit ingame is completely useless, you can make so much more money spending 10$ on tickets and selling the items"

    Boy what?! Lol

    I'm  on my cruise and even I couldn't let this one go... Guys you do realize spice is selling for 120k+ right now in Seville even in a TLG and crappy aide ship 1300 cargo altogether thats 156 MILLION in 2 hours of work. MTT still selling for 5mil each easily obtained in Venice hell even fishing tuna right outside Seville 70k each. Even mysterious spice and miser chains are selling for 30k each in Seville company shop. Read the money making guides here on the link page is all there http://tinyurl.com/Uwobible

    Listen UWO is not a game where everything is just handed to you either you work for it or you PAY for it. It's a game of discovery you have to DISCOVER ways to compete and stay relevant and YES they are available to even free players. 


    The problem I'm seeing is people are not embracing the trade Player to Player market and that's not a developer issue that's a player issue. People are so quick to condemn money that they often forget an entire class is based on money you need money and anyone who disagrees are simply not facing reality  or simply don't know how to do it so they condemn it smh. 

    UWO is proceeding exactly according to plan and alts aren't wrecking the economy if anything an alt lowers prices by making goods more plentiful as long as goods are rare prices will go up simple and there is no code that fixes that if you want lower prices make it yourself raise supply and prices will drop to stay competitive. 

    When me a person with no alts, don't buy he's, occasionally sails, don't dungeon or spice trades is making more money than you the time comes when you can't blame alts or economy you have to blame yourself and STEP YOUR GAME UP. 

    Demonize us Sevillians if you want...but we don't blame others for our situations and complain about it we adapt and beat the system and profit. 

    "Sevillians don't complain...We profit"     

    -CPC-

    aceman39lefox271pekkauwerxibwizaozoranoshita
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    Well said CPC.

    That should be the last word on the subject of 'alts' or 'broken economy'.

    No more threads on these subjects. PLEASE.

    Just go adventure. Go pirate. Go make ducats.
    xibwizIngean
  • pekkauwerpekkauwer Posts: 187Member Beginner
    MTT selling for 5mil due to 2-5 person farming same map... admit it cpc, your way open much the way to using alts

    im at hospital and cant stop laughing on your way to "legalize alts"
    xibwiz
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Sorry hun when I went to get maps me and company did it as a company activity we'd get them then split them evenly in our party. No alts used thats called teamwork


    But if you hate alts that's your right but until you become lead director of operations  at koei and outlaw it  then you shouldn't mind it.  Sevillians don't care what you have we are too busy getting our own stuff  you should take the same approach 


    xibwiz
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    No people like him like beating a dead horse convo over and over on alts to try and make him self sound better then everyone else
    xibwiz
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    I feel pity for those naive players thinking PPPlayer is improving / fixing the game in players' best interest.

    Just in 20+ days, PPPlayer has already updated the bottles, and those who bought CV already feel the power of "newer" ships, MFCV to start with, then MSF, then AFCV, then the LOL sequence of OP ships all the way to our "former glory" of ROG, and keep going.

    The wipe is unnecessary and harmful. So is PPPlayer's ill wish of cash grab. 

    Wake up now, and stop wasting your money. Play free and stop competing. Let the game drift, and let other idiots waste their money while you enjoy the last few years of UWO.

    pekkauwerTHawk420aceman39xibwizTonyFields95
  • makaramusmakaramus Posts: 62Member Beginner
    aceman39 ok dude I understand you allowed to do this but write this AND PROVE IT(prove it because I dont want you to just copy paste and run away):
    Alts are not causing you to make more money faster and cause infilation incrase
    if not write why :)
    THawk420
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    People that are making more money are the resellers or did you all forget that they are up and running already. Look at some of them. They have low levels and never move from Seville. They are not alts they are people who just sit there and buy things from the store and do that  only. People with alts use them for storage and when building ships cause there is not enough room in inventory to hold ships when building. I know I have did it before the wipe. It is funny how people always sa alts ruin a economy over and over.
  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    someone else wanna get this
    aceman39
  • FlorianGeyerFlorianGeyer Posts: 214Member Trainee
    I would give this topic a huge dislike because of the way the discussion is held but unfortunately that option is not available. Ppl please this is no more a constructive discussion. Lets get it back on track from here and hope Papaya picks it up...

    You already know my opinion on this subject (look up 15 posts) but I however noted a remarkable statement here. Alts itself are not the problem, it is the way some ppl use them that can be considered as an annoying issue. Never the less it is up to anyone buying from those so called "bot-alts" to consider if he is either stimulating this behavior or not. And it is up to Papaya to act in a becoming way against this behavior. Bot-alts should be eliminated, that, I agree.

    On the other hand, there is a justified way to use alts, such as do I. I for my part, always have my maritime trained alt with me to have a guard out at sea and of course it provides me some more cargo and fighting power when it comes to it. But I will never abuse it in the way I mentioned above.
    Since I lack time to play, an alt is a welcome compensation to me to make my valuable time a bit more worth it when on a long-distance trade run.

    Still, it is not the key to game economy balance going wrong. To me that is still provoked by Papaya injecting tons and tons of Ducats and some specific OP items to only a limited player-group prejudicing newcomers and less experienced players. 
    Almost right away they can distance themselves in lvl's, wealth and abilities giving them the monopoly to set prices on items only they got access to in this stage of the game. Of course those prices will be out of reach to the "poor players" because selling them for lower (=NORMAL) prices is not worth the profit to the rich since they already have the big money.

    Flo!
    Ingean
    Be safe and prosper!
  • makaramusmakaramus Posts: 62Member Beginner
    aceman39 oh my... 
    Dude here is the thing: Infilation in game happens when game currency incrases a lot... 
    In clasic rpg games this happens because everyting you kill "magically" create gold... but while gold is created there are few ways to permantly destroy that gold. because of that each passing day value of gold reduces

    when you resell things you dont create more money.... you are taking allready existing money
    to create more money you need to sell things to npc that will give you money that doesnt exist until you sell it.
    thats why this game need piracy: Because its reducing number of traders good enought to make infilation dont go space... but risk turns into "worth it" when you run alt and this making it so good.

    instead of running alts game must convince others to run parties... 

    but dont get me wrong: I am not saying "forbid alt running" instead make "running alts not required and not efficent" :D

    Example: Maybe when in party balance speed of party instead of using speed of admiral. this will reduce number of alts massively since you are in higher risk to be caught by pirates :)
    THawk420Culvern
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    I agree pirates are needed but to allow pirates to plunder stuff that is needed for a quest is another story. But as far as the use of alts they are needed cause the inventory space is not big enough. Maybe if they opened up storage to hold more stuff and allow holding of more ships then alts wont be needed but since they are not gonna do that then alts are needed. I use my alt when I am grinding sewing cause a ship hold is not always big enough when you have to make three things to make one outfit or a Turkish rug or some outfits
  • THawk420THawk420 Posts: 210Member Trainee
    inventory management is actually part of the game
    Culvern
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    You know you tell me to stop saying things to you but here you go jumping on what I said. I was asked something and I answered but you have to jump in once again
  • makaramusmakaramus Posts: 62Member Beginner
    again: I agree too that they should not ban alt characters... but they should make it so you wont benefit from them... atleast like it is currently
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Im sorry nobody can complain about pay 2 win and oh I can't afford the mfcv and cv's when spice is selling 120k each  even lower level trade good stuff is selling 10k to 50k and up yes FEATHER TOBACCO GOLD DUST GOLD etc. . people are that desperate for trade xp you can afford ANY ship in one weeks time through work  people just want things with no work involved. If you don't pay real money then you have to work nothing pay to win about that guys


    You don't know what pay to win is pay to win is when people who paid money  CANNOT be completed against  ie.  UNTRADEABLE forge tools those you couldn't get unless you  paid real money.   The lil cash ships we have now can be attained easily  with 5 to 10 trade runs much easier than those before you had it. 


    As long as the item isn't untradeable nobody can say its pay to win. Do the 5 trade runs and get your ship I don't like sea battle but I do it to get shipbuilding.  It's just part of the game we have to do things we may not want to and if you don't want to then pay simple 


    There is NO Pay to Win only pay to get sooner or pay to get because I don't feel like doing it myself .

    Bottom line get trading and stop complaining 




    lefox271xibwizaceman39
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