Just a thought

shelleyl · November 2017

What if Papaya suddenly announced they found all the Gama data, but in order to run both servers, Gama was subscription-based? I wonder how many of us would play there if so...

slaanesh · November 2017

Not sure splitting an all ready small player base on 2 servers would be a good idea.

Culvern · November 2017

At this point I think we all need to accept what has happened and where we are now at.
To many people are blaming Papaya for where we are at rather than thanking them for continuing to host our game.
If OGP had just shut down........Would be worse than a wipe right?.........right?

We all lost our toons, levels, and ships. We all miss them.
We also all have a chance to play still thanks to papaya.
I for one am enjoying remaking the world.

SenileGeezer · November 2017

They deserve no thanks. They did not CONTINUE to host our game, they wiped out and stole everything we had, gave us a ha'penny on the dollar, expecting the sheeple-like plucked chickens to be grateful and spend money to try in vain to replace irreplaceable items. I had just purchased expansion slots for both the Captain's Bag and 3 extra Skill slots. I could read all the books in the Archives. I had Syracuse Middle. I cannot see myself in an obese-size school uniform, doing all that over again. But, don't mind me, I only commented here because I saw mamacat's name:

HI MAMACAT! Hope you are doing well. I have peace, happiness, and joy now: adding and flying a slew of aircraft in MS Flight Sim 2002 and 2004 and online in Flight Sim X. I miss you, mamacat.

I read the forums regularly, especially when I am tempted to return. I hope Papaya Play folds. It feels good to save my cash and not waste my life with a miserable grind for nothing.

Love Always,

(not so) Senile French Geezer

xibwiz · November 2017

ill move into a suscription server without think it twice.

dsmack1 · November 2017

i'd do subscription to ...not to much hope for it but i'd do it if they actually offered.

byrdman

BlakeC · November 2017

I would purchase a subscription if it means better rewards, access to shared storage and strongbox, and more importantly, getting back my old character with all my skills, levels, and equipment intact. Alas, it is highly unlikely that Papaya still has our old data from GAMA, presumably deleted and gone forever.

Overall, after playing for a little more then a month, i'm disappointed about the way Papaya is handling the game after the wipe. I was hoping they would fix at least some the stuff that the past hosts of UWO neglected to do. As I quote from the main page:

"The UWO Team will be using the relaunch through Papaya Play as an
opportunity to revamp many aspects of PvP Battles, including plundered
items and Deck Battle frequency, plus a number of other system
rebalances."

Well, the only revamp ive seen so far is the undoing of the plunder nerf (I also heard forced DB is back but I haven't heard from anyone personally if this is true). Otherwise what ive seen is the same ol nerfs, same ol gains, same ol everything else, even same lottery system, which I think is even worse then the Sailors bottle. Im sure they could have easily fixed that without having to wipe everything off the map. And if not, is it worth the cost of everything just for that?

Katanauwo · November 2017

At OP,

Do you mean another lie or patronization?

If they announce they “suddenly” found lost data, they will lose all the credibility which they built from the past month and half via many attempts to patronize the community.

Their ambition to sell P2W premium content would not allow a subscription based server. It would inevitably make Maris look like a money grabbing scheme.

The best outcome for the community is to let PPP’s greed runs dry while customers turn their back on PPP.

Then KOEI will sell the host license to another deserving company. If nobody wants it, maybe that’s the end of UWO.

For now let’s just enjoy what we can enjoy before the server runs dry on money. I personally enjoy doing adventure quests when reading descriptions line by line while witnessing the beginning of the end.

JustToTalk · November 2017

Like I stated out the reason based on the current circumstances, I really hope Papaya will take these into their ears or they really can start thinking about closing uwo down before the losses is too great for them to bear.

There are 2 things they must be awared of:

1st, the server wipe causes a lot of unsatisfactory, displeased and anger.

The solution I have already given to them. Even if you want to take something off from somebody, don't take it all from them. Leave them something in hand, my best suggestion is, give them back one of the best ship they owned before, it not even need to be modded, just a blank ticket will do. With a ship on hand, and they might still consider to play the game, there is a lot in the game waiting for them to spend, and you will have one more potential customer.

It is okay to have greed on ourselves sometimes, but the point is, don't take it all. If you don't even want to give something back, you will have nothing back in return.

This is the iron rule of the universe that never fails.

2nd, solve the multis problem. OGP is one of the servers, that has the nicest and mature players on earth, even though it is just a small community player game.

You can see a lot of kind, helpful, justice and relax players whether its in a company, in a city, or meeting on the sea.

The only thing that makes it happen is because OGP enforced a very good game policy.

In OGP's uwo, you would hardly see a 5 toons in fleet sailing on sea. Out of months and years of playing, I have only seen once and never see it again.

You need to get one thing straight on your mind, and do things the positive way, and you will be rewarded positively by the community.

Players request for multiboxing, because they do not know how to play or think properly. It is not if they ask for it, you should give them for it.

Players demand multi fleets -- they ending up wasting a lot of time in alts without time to enjoy the game.

You enforce your game policy, you teach the gamers, you lead the gamers, how to play a game properly, and how to enjoy this wonderful uwo game.

Once you create this gaming environment, the kind of players who looks for this kind of environment, will slowly join in your server.

The only point is, do you have the confidence to do this?

WesDoobner · November 2017

Papaya never got the GAMA data from OGP, that was the whole reason for the server reset. Negotiations between OGP and Papaya broke down, and Papaya had to get the game directly from KOEI - that's why they don't have the GAMA data and had no option other than a full reset. Basically, OGP has the data, unless they've deleted it now, and OGP's refusal to turn it over is why the reset happened.

lefox271 · November 2017

How do you know this Wes? Is there a link to a news report you can share?

lokked1 · November 2017

Wes, I usually agree with your perspective on things, but the recent above post seems quite fabricated. Logically, it's hard to believe that. Papaya managed to "link up the OGP account" and provide rewards based on database driven data, meaning they had some sort of data available to them from the player records. Why would OGP provide this and not the whole thing?

You are right that it could be a negotiation item, but let's be honest: OGP is not in a position to negotiate. They were liquidating their assets and honestly would only have to lose by attempting to withhold assets at the table. Something you don't understand about negotiations is that they are legally binding contracts formed ahead of time. Prior to any money transfers, contracts are written and signed. There are no "accidents" last minute, when it comes to contracts. Companies don't spend millions of dollars on whims and chance. There are Project Managers, Contract Negotiators, Risk Assessments, Viability Assessments. We wouldn't be playing the game if such a "accident" were to happen, and OGP would be under lawsuit for breaking contract terms.

Lastly, If it was as simple as Papaya contacting KOEI to be a new host of UWO, why did they have to purchase anything from OGP? The only thing they would have gained (and mind you, it would be significant) is to corner the English (international, whatever) market for UWO by eliminating OGP as a competitor.

Your assumptions don't chalk up, and don't expect any profit-generating business to do anything that doesn't have some strategy behind it.

Putting aside unsourced facts, it is obvious from a business perspective why Papaya did this. There is no "loss" of data, and there will be no "found" data. There will never be a Subscription model, unless they can still make Tickets viable. Tickets are gambling, and not only does the house always win, they actually don't care if you win or not, as the game is built around Consumption with unbalanced Production (you can consume, or lose goods, but you cannot create goods of the same caliber).

Anyways, guys. It's Free to Play. What Free to Play game out there is actually "fair", whatever that word means.

WesDoobner · November 2017

Believe it or not, that's what I've seen in snippets here and there, in more than one place, and it makes sense to me. If you want to investigate the reasons more fully, go ahead, and I bet you find exactly what I've said here. I'm going to play instead of worrying about it though.

theedgedemon · December 2017

to be fair, papaya bought the rights to publish a game, their service started there, and despite how awful it is for all of us, they weren't really obligated to load the data, which by the way i have never believed they lost, they after all made a deal with OGP/Koei not with us, we were just pigs ready for slaughter in the middle of it.

on the other hand i don't think i would move to a sub model even if that meant recovering my data, because (i can't believe i'm agreeing with katana in something), that would appear to be just another scheme to squeeze as much as posible in the shortest time.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

Whiners... whiners... whiners...

grieving for lost investments... blaming a company who spent money to buy a license of the game.. the money you lost cant even compare to the money papaya has spent to provide you the game you like playing because OGP gave up on YOU WHINERS.

lost investments?.. PAPAYA has already offered you something to compensate your loss due to OGP gave up on YOU whiners.. i know its not much, but its already being generous and giving respect to veteran players that they even throw in monthly UWC.. AND STILL YOU LOT ARE CURSING PAPAYA FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO NOT DESERVE!!

you lot are hopeless.. blinded.. bunch of whinies..

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

addtion:

in addition.. its not PAPAYA's FAULT to begin with.. take you whining Arses to OGP .. they are the ones who got our investments..

BlakeC · December 2017

@lefox271 This is just speculation. We'll probably never know the true reason why we got a server wipe in the first place, and I refuse to buy Papyas claim that it was "an opportunity to revamp many aspects of PvP Battles, including
plundered items and Deck Battle frequency, plus a number of other system
rebalances." But seeing as Papaya has done this before when they acquired new games (such as La Tale), my guess is they did not want to pay extra to import and keep the existing game data. I also suspect that by having everyone start over, they could squeeze more money out by having everyone re-buy everything.

Katanauwo · December 2017

The fact is usually supported by evidences, which are everywhere around us.

Wipe
= newbie boat sales
= new ticket frenzy
= no need for inventing better ships
= more game life span.

So who has the most benefit? OGP or Papaya? OGP is bankrupt anyway. They wouldnt mind selling their data. It is most likely the greedy Papaya who does not want to pay a cent while enjoying the benefit of wipe.

They do not care about players. Players are just cash cows with below average IQs and EQs. Some standard PR bluff can rally a group of shoe lickers to defend their reputation.
“Wipe is the right thing to do...(because it brings us money)”
“Unfortunately (and lol) due to technical difficulty (and hence shut up you morons)”
“Fix the game economy (so that you can pay 2 win once again)”
“Balance pvp (we’ll allow most bizarre forced deck battle once again)”

Just a thought

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