Solution to improving PvP activities and multi character problems.

NaverUWO · December 2017

Hello, everyone. I am here to discuss regarding current PvP system and multi character problems for the success of UWO under Papaya Play management. Those issues are very important at current stage in order to balance in-game economy and improving for the future PvP activities.

It appears that Papaya management listened player suggestions and tried to fix the PvP system from the previous mistake we had for pirates activities. However, it still lacks the details into it and requires to be adjusted as soon as possible.

Things to be fixed and improved for PvP system:

- If white(Normal) player wins from player pirate ambush, they should not be blue name as it wasn't their intention to be a Bounty Hunter.

- Allowing pirates to attack repeatedly on white/blue name players without requiring to wait 24 hours

=== Before the patch of Gran Atlas Chapter 1, there were so many exciting sea activities. And to explain again as I have done for OGPlanet, UWO is unique game. It can be very bored and it can be very fun. Without dramas in UWO, the game cannot survive for long time as the most energies coming from sea activities as a chain effect. Before we had the patch, there were DIPLOMACY and COMPETITION between companies. There were strong piracy companies and also strong bounty hunter companies and also trader companies that were under protection from other allied companies. I was part of one of those and UWO had so many active players in-game. Considering what we had before the patch, current UWO population is a joke. Please let bounty hunters to deal with pirates without limiting their freedom of attacks.===

- ESF (Epic Sea Feud) should be and must be controlled by players voting system.

Forcing for the 7 nation ESF by GM will ruin the diplomacy situation that made by players and their will to invest since it can be involved in very sensitive ports of their nation which weren't voted by players.

Things to be fixed and improved for multi character problems:

- We never had any multi character problems when there were freedom of attacks from pirates.

Only problem with multi character is effecting to in-game economy directly. ALLOW multi character players for their unlimited enjoyment but also, please let Bounty Hunters to deal with pirates while letting pirates to deal with multi character players. By allowing repeated attack for pirates will increase sea activities and also will settle the in-game economy for everyone.

These are some of my very old and common sense opinion for increasing UWO population and improving our game plays from the well designed PvP system.

I would like to hear what you guys think. Please feel free to share if you have better idea.

If you stay quiet, they will never do anything for you.

VictoriasSecret · December 2017

Naver is 100% right here. There was an original balance to the game that made it fun, and self correcting. The problems started when players, often not very knowledgeable players, thought they knew better than the game designers.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

i completely agree. its very different before the patch that made it boring.

and in addition to this. let there be attacks on land too.. i think it would be very fun.. when doing it on land too. where if you're attacked by pirates there will be a circle but you cant get out unless its over.. cause some jobs get useless.. i think many will agree with some studies it will be great..

aceman39 · December 2017

Ok here is my thought. Not only you all think attacking merchants on sea is enough. Which you can try to escape the circle. Now here come another thought. Let the pirates now attack them on land.....and oh wait make it where they are forced to fight and not have a chance to escape......What a crazy idea. That would make it where no non pirates would ever leave EU cause they would have no chance to win a melee on land any more then they would on sea

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

aceman39

that's why i mentioned with "Studies"right?..^^. with proper studies how to input it.. that would be amazing... that will add a alot more varieties for your hard earned techs,, cause not only maritimers has tech skills for land battle.. all job has land battle tech.. so i don't see why not... and ofcourse with proper studies

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

@aceman39

and there is always a blue flag on sea that traders can use.. in case of lawless thats where Bounty Hunters enter to put it back to normal..

YinYangSparty · December 2017

Yes get rid of not being able to repeat attacking white name players. They shouldn't be able to get a free pass after being attacked and defeated once and they are free from piracy the whole day, it defeats the purpose of being a pirate

PotatoBake · December 2017

" Allowing pirates to attack repeatedly on white/blue name players without requiring to wait 24 hours"

I am assuming that you are talking about allowing pirates to attack more than 5 players, rather than able to farm the crap out of the same white named player.

If it is the latter, your idea is bad, if not, then it is good.

Agree with the rest.

theedgedemon · December 2017

@PotatoBake iam certain he means the later, he wants to be able to grieve people into leaving the game... again, and that means he knows nothing.

by the way:

a) green flag on white name last really little and you can be attacked again just not by same pirate.

b) the 5 hits until you reset in JOLO/NASSAU has its importance because it makes it easier to pirate in historically violent zones AND prevents pirates from just camping the same port without sailing even once.

this however is a decent proposal since pirates have exploited this before to farm defenseless unarmed traders :

If white(Normal) player wins from player pirate ambush, they should not be blue name as it wasn't their intention to be a Bounty Hunter.

theedgedemon · December 2017

on the ESF we have a problem with ingame balance which doesnt allow for total freedom and thats because its way to easy to exploit weaker nations for boring easy rewards, this is why the strongest nations can't be allowed to be on the same side always, as they historically almost never where.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

let pirates attack consecutively. there is no reason that merchant should be able to go free after one attack from pirates.

1. there is a blue flag

2. there is a tribute that they can use

3. in cases of lawless waters.. Bounty Hunters can do their jobs and hunt pirate players and NPC. to make it normal again..

so their is no excuse for setting a rule of not allowing pirates to attack consecutively.. So correct me if Im wrong..

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

in addition:

merchants has always had it easy. leveling is easy. making money is easy.. travelling is easy.. it is time they had some difficulties..

and don't tell me that going to lawless waters are the only way they earn ducats.. cause there are huge amount of ways they can earn without going out to lawless waters.

and even if pirates can attack them consecutively. all they need to do is raise the blue flag.

theedgedemon · December 2017

i see a lot of people repeating a lie here for some reason:

in cases of lawless waters.. Bounty Hunters can do their jobs and hunt pirate players and NPC. to make it normal again..

no they don't, once waters get lawless there's a FIXED time as lawless which does not change no matter how many pirates you stop, only after the week has passed and they turn neutral again can you BH and sink NPC to get into safe waters, there's no hot swap of those states.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

@theedgedemon

Lie?? its incomplete not a lie.. 7 days if it turns lawless that is if BH's are not doing their jobs.. it depends on what happens on those waters. so if BH are active they can work to make it safe waters if they failed then avoid those waters .. its simple.. you dont need to flame it accusing people of lying..

ill make sure to complete everything next time before posting Mr. perfect theedgedemon.

CrzyPsycoChick · December 2017

You want to farm whites now the very first thing that got yall a**es nerfed in the first place?! See this is the problem you pirates have they give you one inch and you try to take a mile. You begged to get plunder back and they GRACIOUSLY return it to the game and the first thing you do is ask to be able to farm traders again you guys never ever learn lol.

While I agree 24 hour protection is too long I think 2 to 3 hours is long enough but FARMING people (white names) that aren't geared for PVP is just begging to get those traders to quit and thus get a retaliation of yet another nerf to piracy. STOP BEING GREEDY you got plunder back now APPRECIATE it and stop trying to expedite your NEXT NERF.

Geez you pirates are something else I swear smh lol.

aceman39 · December 2017

And how many bounty hunters have you seen in game? How many pirates your see in game? I see merchants, adventures, and pirates......So where is there any bounty hunters.......and not everyone buys blue flags. If you want to make it where pirates can attack merchants over and over......Is crazy......and to say merchants have it easy going into Hostile or un safe waters to make money is a foolish statement. We take risk everytime we sail out of safe waters. So your whole Merchants have it easy is a foolish statement I ever heard @aldrizneriss2

slaanesh · December 2017

As one there play this game for a 100% PvE and see pirats as basicaly griefers there is only out to ruin others gaming experince, I knida wish there would be a fair way to turn off pvp so no players could attack you for a longer time, more than 1 day blue flag and still be able to battle npc fleets whitout having to look over your shoulder constant for a rocket powered rowboat.

Sanaia · December 2017

UWO has a pirate mechanic but it is much more than just a pirate game. Piracy is just one aspect of a very diverse game and its economy. Asking for more pirate freedoms will not only ruin the game economy as it will discourage many PvE players from venturing into hostile waters, but it will ruin the balance between pirates and merchants and will eventually only end up with successfully running all of the players who are in UWO for its PvE away. When that happens who will you pirate/PvP players have left to target?

The worst thing a game developer/publisher can ever do is listen to the PvP crowd in an MMO. Doing so is a sure fire way to expedite barren servers and the eventual demise of a game.

aceman39 · December 2017

Ok as for them listening to a pirate us what they did about item plunder and people are concerned about that cause there is still no list what can be and what can't be taken.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

@CrzyPsycoChick.. @slaanesh, @Sanaia, @aceman39

Im no pirate too.. Im a Bounty Hunter just to clarify..

and restricting pirates again by enforcing rules that really make it not BALANCE will end up giving traders maximum freedom. resulting to floods of goods.. the natural balance of game includes pirating to stop traders from from totally HAVING THEIR WAY.. and making it so much EASIER for them to TRADE.. and if we are to speak of numbers lets compare.. do you see enough pirates for all merchants you see??..

just to make it clear again incase you missed it..

there is always the BLUE FLAG to RAISED to avoid PIRACY.. incase of sudden attacks tribute then blue flag again. and AGAIN TRAVELLING TO LAWLESS WATERS ARENT THE ONLY WAY for MERCHANT to EARN DUCATs.

and no ONE ever restrict TRADERS FROM USING BATTLESHIPS.

the only one PREVENTING TRADERS to MONOPOLIZE the GAME is PIRACY.

and just for your common sense. that's the very reason for having LAWLESS WATERS. so that pirates can stop TRADERS.

and you also mentioned them not being EQUIPPED?? NO ONE EVER PLACED RESTRICTIONS THAT MERCHANT CANT DO BATTLE.. NO RULE STOP THEM FROM EQUIPING BATTLESHIPS.

SO BEING WHITE IS NOT A REASON TO RESTRICT PIRACY! BECAUSE THAT MAKES THE GAME NOT BALANCE.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

@aceman39

your the one making no sense here aceman39.

its not the PIRATES FAULT that YOU DONT WANT TO BUY and USE BLUE FLAGS.

ITS JUST YOU BEING ONESIDED. You refusing to use blue flags is just being ARROGANT.

its like wandering around boasting and insulting PIRACY without saying it like this "GO AHEAD PIRATE ATTACK ME,, I GOT 500k WORTH OF LARGE TRIBUTE HERE FOR YOU, SO TAKE IT AND BE GONE!"

i am a TRADER too BUT that does not CLOUD my JUDGEMENT and REASONING for a FAIR PLAY.

aceman39 · December 2017

So because some people don't buy blue flags. That statement is ignorant. And a Battle ship for a trader. They are made for fighting not trading. So now you are saying a trader should use a battle ship which limits the trader from trading.Oh wait that is right.....In this world a trader needs to be attacked because they are trying to make a living and yet pirates are there to keep a trader from making money. So all the hard work and money the trader spends to buy the trade goods and to supply it to EU is something a pirate deserves to get so the trader loses money and time because it has to be the pirates way.....Your fair play is where PVP should rule the server and that traders should stay in EU where the pirates then cry they have no one to rob.And I guess when people was doing IQ quest to get port permits that was the traders making money runs also when the stuff that was lost for some of these people was for the quest that was fair also. See you say And you say do I see enough pirates for merchants. Look around every time I go to Hostile or Lawless waters there is atleast 4 or 5 pirates searching the water. And the ones who don't search waters are port farming so I guess that is also fair. See you also say you are a bounty hunter but to me it sounds like the game should be run by pirates and no one else. So lets see let there be more pirate attacks so the pirate can have fun but everyone else can't because the traders are making a honest profit. Hmmmmm now where is the logic there

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

aceman39

spouting non-sense over and over again. the way i see your just a spoiled trader who wants to have it easy in EA.. does the game mechanics has to be always on traders side? you don't really understand and just wants it spoon feed to you..

doing IQ does'nt mean all traders can own EA and FORBID pirates.. ONCE AGAIN READ> you can always use BLUE FLAG. it is not the pirates fault or the natural mechanics of the games fault that your refusing to use blue flags.. that is YOU BEING ARROGANT.. the way i see that your FAVORING MULTI'S on most post is your one of the ABUSERS. and EA TRADING IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO EARN FOR MERCHANT! YOU CAN CRAFT A BUNCH OF STUFFS AND SELL. YOU JUST WANTED EVERYTHING laid down for you. and JUST IN CASE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN IS ALSO CALLED ABUSE AND GREED.

cases like LAWLESS>> that is why its's called LAWLESS WATERS ..THAT IS A WARNING PIRATE ACTIVITIES IS ON GOING... and ALSO THERE IS SAFE WATERS... don't be blinded by your greed to Trade and have it EASY .. read and be smart.

Pirates don't restrict merchant's of having SPEED SHIPS that they can use to OUTRUN PIRATES.. and if your saying that MERCHANT's WILL ONLY USE TRADING SHIPS WITH MAX CARGO... LISTEN TO YOURSELF AGAIN!!! THAT IS ALSO CALLED GREED!! WANTING MAX CARGO OF TRADE GOOD WITHOUT HUSTLE..

LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT..!! AND YOU CALL PIRATES GREEDY?? HAHAHA WHAT A BIG JOKE!

aceman39 · December 2017

OK JERK I WILL TELL YOU LIKE THIS. ALL MERCHANTS SHOULD STAY IN SAFE WATERS CAUSE PEOPLE BELIEVE MERCHANTS NEED TO PLAY THE GAME THEIR WAY AND HAVE THEIR FUN RUINED SO A BULLY CAN ENJOY THE GAME THEIR WAY AND SCREW EVERYONE ELSE AND IF YOU SAY YOU ARE A BOUNTY HUNTER THEN WHY NOT PROTECT THE MERCHANTS.....OH WAIT THE MERCHANTS DESERVE TO BE ROBBED AND HAVE THEIR GAME RUINED. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULD BE A PIRATE NOT A BOUNTY HUNTER.......HEY EVERYONE WHO IS A MERCHANT BEHAVE AND STAY IN SAFE WATERS AND CRAFT STUFF BECAUSE YOU ARE SOFT AND PIRATES NEED TO RUN THE DAMN GAME. YOU ARE A IGNORANT FOOL.

Katanauwo · December 2017

Lol, those so called good people who care about the game start to attack Naver’s good idea again.

This is where democracy fails, when the majority of the pupulation are noobs or morons. When someone put a sensible idea, it gets attacked immediately. And any host listening to this crazy mob would be doomed.

I predict Papaya’s fall confidently not because I hate it. It is because people like those who attack Naver’s idea so madly without rational reason, which then reinforced my confid ncr on my predict.

GG everyone.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

@aceman39

CALLING ME JERK?? hahah

your so used to your comfort zones.

your the ignorant FOOL. refusing to use Blue flag. refusing to acknowledge lawless, normal, and safe waters. instead wants a rule to restrict pirate activities on natural hunting grounds?

you only know trading VIA EA..

you're every statement clearly shows how LITTLE you know of the game mechanics. there are a lot of ways that piracy cant reach traders. you clearly don't know them.

if you still don't understand a word i said.. its not worthy arguing with you.

Katanauwo · December 2017

Aceman39 is just a freeloader who doesnt want to spend a cent while wanting to be a king in this game. He promotes multi so that he can buy other ppl’s premium reward from his multi income.

He sounds just like Edmund in OGP, who was one of the reasons why OGP went belly up.

aldrizneriss2 · December 2017

@Katanauwo

i totally agree with you on this one.. glad we had something in common.

Katanauwo · December 2017

I may sound cynical, but i know what kind of game system is healthy. I have been through every profession except grand adventurer (no time to quest due to pvp addiction).

If maris goes to sub-based model, i will put both thumbs up and support it by buying 5x passes. I believe a lot others will follow because the good words will spread like 1 to 10 and 10 to 100 and more.

Teen players msy not be able to afford at the beginning, but they can puchase sub pass from others via in game currency trade.

When they get their decent job after graduate from uni / college, they should have bo problem affording $30 per months. And they will grab their friends here too.

A free2play pay2win model is just doomed to fail from day 1. Too many game died as f2p p2w. Companies turn sub into f2p not because sub dont work, but because they dont care about gamebut only money.

Games dont die with sub, but endless greed dies with it, and so do those who consider being less greedy not acceptable.

Let’s teach the greedy bunch (Papaya) a lesson on what ppl would do to endless greed, vote with allet.

CrzyPsycoChick · December 2017

@aldrizneriss2

As far as your points that merchants can't have everything too easy you're Right I actually agree that's how OGP got screwed up also yes trader can buy blue flag or trib but that's not what my issue is. Any group of players must have a challenge or it becomes too boring and easy but...

My issue is with the farming now if you sail and you get sunk by a pirate he takes your loot and gold Fine that's the game but what is the purpose of sitting in the same spot doing it over and over and over again especially after you have taken everything he had already. I had a company member who was farmed for an HOUR straight (NO BS) the pirate was no longer receiving gold or items he just did it just to waste his time excessively and grief him so he couldn't continue his game. The person who got treated that way immediately quit the game.

Now I suppose you will say it's his own fault... Yes and that he may have been too thin thinned skinned for uwo...also true but regardless he still QUIT due to a player farming him who received NOTHING in return except excessively griefing him. That's lost revenue for the provider and a loss to our community he won't buy blue flags EVER, grow up and buy a PVP ship, or buy booster that horrible experience made him quit. If sunk once he could just take his loss and move on but the farming BS you lose REAL money from them quitting.

You played a long time so YOU KNOW farming whites is what lead to the first pirate nerf. We can't make uwo too easy and we can't make it too difficult as well. Less time to attack consecutively is fair but farming is taking it too far...but if they bring farming of whites back and pirates get NERFED again DO NOT COMPLAIN. You mess with the Provider's money YOU WILL GET NERFED is that what you want AGAIN??

Katanauwo · December 2017

CPC, let me tell you why. I farmed a group of pirates before in front of Calicut. I know the motive.

OGP never let us farm merchants. Finally we could but then level was reset. So as a pirate one had to grind or bot for a full month, and all those frustration and anger were unleashed to this poor merchant.

It said so much how players are unhappy about the status quo.

Solution to improving PvP activities and multi character problems.

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