Game Review Server WIPE

SUNDOGG97 · December 2017

Well After a month and 1/2, I thought I give my review and some thoughts and criticism, Please do not take this as offense or rumor mongering.

1st, the server wipe has not really change the game at all in terms of how it is played by most.
If the wipe was done to fix the economy, It is hard to see how it is happening.

Hard to see how it could be done when everything is still the same. Same rules about the accounts played, mutli boxing is happening, just do not get caught it seems.

In fact many of the problems comes from over use of several accounts, whether 3 or 10 or 50 or 200.
but some how that is over looked.

One thing also is never spoken about by the host and community is that some players only use one account, have no problems at all in game play at all, no storage problems, no problems at all.
If these people can do it? Why not others.

People started using others accounts for storage, not so much for lack of skills slots

Same old boring events, GM Bingo.

In fact it looks like the same old people running the game, just wondering.

I like this game, I did liked it more.

I can not see much of a future for it, when things are the same, all the wipe did was take away all the progress and development the server had.

It really did not fix any problems at all and in fact costed many, many people, time, effort and cost.

Just my thoughts

fields1234 · December 2017

Very honest review, and I'm sure many others feel the same way as you like I do with some of your points.

Economy at the moment has not changed much at all that much I agree.

GM bingo, whats wrong with it lol? To be fair I can't think of any other way for the host to interact with ingame events, Sure you could bring back chase the GM, Sink the GM, find the GM back but I fear you will still think it the same events. I honestly don't see any other games that a GM can host, maybe I'm blind and can't spot a obvious one. Could you maybe suggest other games that GMs can bring to the game?

About the same people running the show, I kind of agree there, however it does make sense to bring people from UWO OGP team over to Papaya UWO. They should hopefully know the game and therefore know the server files and work with them. To be fair I would be slightly concerned if they didn't. Ofcourse it does also make it seem strange and that it just a company rebrand, but from what I seen on Discord groups that have investigated all this stuff and trying to come up with theories none of it seems concrete. So either this has been covered on all bases or we not smart enough to fine that missing link.

Unlike you, I think the relaunch has been good, there appears to be a good source of new players even now from what I been seeing in Cities,, lots of players still in their school uniforms and beginner ships and even people nanbanning that people said would take 6 months to do.

For people losing old characters, I do agree with you that we have lost so much, but I think looking at the future I'm optomistic. I think the game as it stands does have a future and I think it will have a future assumeing people still buy astros/UWC and the new players keep coming to fill the players that leave etc.

For the new UWO I think it's time we started looking at the future than keep looking back at what was and what we had before.

Rhend78 · December 2017

Why even mention the multi-accounts? I mean, it's allowed, it's been allowed, and yes, some do abuse it, but it's not the reason for the crap economy. The crap economy on Gama was due to Dungeons and because there was at least one exploit that some abused which allowed hundreds of billions if not trillions to spill into the economy which when discovered the exploit was fixed, but the ducats remained.

The crap economy now also isn't due to multi's. It was due to the founders checks which gave a ton of level one players hundreds of millions to billions to start with each. This gave the people who lagged behind in levels a lot of money, while lacking in levels. So, they gladly overpaid for goods from the people who leveled quickly who could buy the goods for the low level people so that they could gain levels. If anything, multi-fleets would have helped alleviate some of the price gouging as more goods poured in and supply/demand leveled off some. But, the fact remains, most likely hundreds of billions of ducats poured into the economy in the first couple days from the founders checks which is what fubared the economy, not the multi's.

I personally wish they would have rolled back to launch update. Put out one update a month to sort of slowly walk us up to where we are now, and have given all of us NO checks. If we all started with 50k ducats like launch, were at the furthest at the South East Asia expansion, and the absolute best UWC ships in the game right now were the refitted Xebec and Custom Vaiss, the economy would be much different right now. But, we may have quite a bit fewer players right now as well if that were the case.

WesDoobner · December 2017

I think the purpose of the server wipe was to make everyone start over, period. And it worked.

HelloAll · December 2017

Papaya started a new business with this. They had to set up a team, research the game to a certain extent and prepare for launching it on their server. It all takes time and money.

They need income to continue, and with most people being maxed, bored, ducat rich and ships a plenty, if they did not wipe I can’t see how papaya could afford to continue the game.

People say papaya are greedy, but it’s just called business.

And as regards the in game economy that people talk about...well that problem isn’t there because of papaya greed, that’s there because of player greed.

SUNDOGG97 · December 2017

Thank for your replies, depending on person playing the game, just the process of using an alt opens up the probability of abuse happening.

IT happens in many ways too

I am not saying that is the main cause of all the problems, I had no problems playing on GAMA, no problems here either. Apparently the server had problems? I bet most did not feel they had problems either.

I am just saying what problems did the server wipe actually fixed?

I just read another post where a strong, knowledgeable player quit after opening the iron plate for us.

Read it please, I think it is important the Papaya Play and the community knows the reasons why people quit, in analysis, after the fact.

Unfortunately Post Analysis is hardy ever used in situations, like this or a job or services.

People just quit and since they are gone or going, whether they voice it or not. They are gone and no one cares or can get a hold of them for reasons why they quit.

His post will bumped off. Lost in the forum files etc

I am not a techie, but I gather he is quitting because he feels Papaya Play has totally communicated or has not been totally straight up with us.

THE PVP was not reset to what it was, the PVP now in place was put in place in the times of OG Planet
because it was not in place during the times of Net Marble.

Some how OG Planet thought if you defend yourself against a pirate and win that makes you a Bounty Hunter, when most I think, if not all, just wanted to survive the attack from the pirate.

MY point, it was not a total reset at all. They picked and choose what they wanted as the host.

All the problems still remain. Many people lost much for the wipe.

Now gold sellers are showing up.

Integrity and Honestly is important, Trust is important, no one like to feel that they are being played. If this is the business model they want, I think Papaya play still has some work to do. These posts of alleged corruption, in their other games do not help either. We just went through a situation like that in OG Planet

Here another weird thing I just noticed now, It is 6.45 am Sat Est time,supposedly the server time is Pacific time. which would 3.45 am, my blue flag was set to expire at 6.45 server time but it expired at 6.45 am est. I think it should have expired at 9.45 am est time bc it is sure it is not 6.45 server time.

Keep that in mind using the boosts

Just my thoughts, read why people are quitting, it is not with out reasons.

I think that is the most important information Papaya can gather.

IT is important for us the community to know too.

CrzyPsycoChick · December 2017

CPC's perspective on all this..

GM events absolutely SUCK:

They do I'm sorry GM bingo and trivia is the dumbest most boring games I ever seen they can do so much more I gave GM's over 20 ideas for fun games but coolwind scrapped the ideas when he took over... Do they blame him guess he has a lil wee wee it makes you act that way sometimes :P. Anywho instead of b*tching about it I'll give you 3 ideas for fun GM events...

Make game shows instead and let spectators watch and participate. That's WAY MORE FUN.

Price is right: GM will search in company shop and bazaar in a certain town and pick a number of items then 6 contestants are chosen from the audience they must guess the price of the total price spent on all the items. The person closet wins.

Know your GM: again 6 contestants chosen from audience. GM will answer a question in secret about themself and then the GM will tell the contestants the question and give them 5 choices as to what the answer was the contestants must guess the answer out of the 5 choices if you guess right you win. Keep going until 1 contestant remains or if all eliminated chose a new group from the audience. Prizes increase the further you go. Ie. GM was asked what's your favorite ice cream flavor was it? Vanilla chocolate strawberry rum raisin or cookies and cream? Answer now.

Deal or no deal: GM has 15 numbers each number has a different value assigned to it 7 are low amounts of money 7 are high amounts of money. GM pre selects them in secret. The GM asks 1 contestant to pick a number they will keep until the end of game. Each round the player will pick numbers to eliminate meaning they won't get that amount. And the GM will make an offer for them to quit based on the numbers they have remaining on the board if players chooses to take the amount the game end if not the game proceeds to the next round for higher prizes.

Round 1 : pick 5 numbers / GM offers the player the value of all the high numbers remaining divided by 1/8

Round 2 : pick 4 numbers / GM offers the player the value of all the high numbers remaining divided by 1/6

GM offers the player the value of all the high numbers remaining divided by 1/4

Round 3 : pick 3 numbers. GM offers the player the value of all the high numbers remaining divided by 1/3

Round 4 : pick 2 numbers.GM offers the player the value of all the high numbers remaining divided by 1/2 to quit now.

Final round : player either chooses to keep the the number they choose in the beginning or the last one on the board. Contestant goes home with that number

This is so fun and a nail biter all these ideas coolwind deprived you off... I hop the GM will try these or I will

What exactly is the economy:

First off all you people that are saying that the economy is bad and out of wack don't understand what the economy in uwo truly is. The economy isn't how much money you have the economy is the ability to GENERATE money as a whole. Meaning even if people have 500mil each it means literally nothing 500mil can be spent in a day on fusion or astro parts its NOT a lot of money and won't raise prices. Now if everyone could make 30mil in say 5 minutes like when FSD first appeared then that will raise prices like it was back in the day but I'll come back to this later.

Unrealistic expectation on what the economy is and should be :

This is why you need a trader to break this down... You guys WANT prices to remain the same like when the server first opened ie pro's for 100k and ships for 100mil YET expect prices not increase with nanban and dungeons being available. This is an impossibility as people can and will generate money prices will rise there is NOTHING you can do about it and quite frankly that's a normal economy. The prices rise and rise until a balance is reached ie. Time to travel to nanban & profit and if people think it's worth it to buy from you and ofc supply and demand. Once that balance is reached then you have equilibrium that is the goal. So people need to stop saying the economy is out of wack just because a price is high its not Greed or money its supply and demand and the ability for us to generate money.

Alts raise prices:

As alts go nanban in groups of 3 they bring back more of a good thus making it cheaper by them increasing the supply. I can show you SS of 1st alts selling spice 200k when it was only 1 or 2 people then price drop to 60k when many bazaars had spice then finally 30k now that nanban is available. This is a normal economy more alts mean more goods more goods mean the price is lower as the supply has increased. This is why Sevillians don't complain about it as we know it actually helps prices for us to buy lol. Lastly and more importantly just because an alt has money does NOT MEAN they are injecting cash into the economy they are injecting cash into themselves not you. They don't give it away lol they buy and sell like everybody else and if a price don't seem worth it guess what it won't be paid simple. Like back when I was auctioning (had well over 200bil) somebody tried to sell me green ore for 100k I said wtf and he said you're rich you can afford it.. Ofc I can afford it but I ain't paying that sh*t lol. I found the person selling 50k and bought it. That 50k price was the equalized price for most people hence why it was paid. So stop blaming alts trust me they are NOT dumping 100's of mils into the economy like a lot of you non traders/ non Sevillians think.

The wipe:

Wipe was more than likely done to make money being able to sell everything all over again... It is what it is I got over it because everyone else had to as well so it balances out. It's not personal it's just... Business. Games online are NOT investment you don't level a character and expect to keep it forever nooooooo its more like renting a service for a period of time. The Data is never yours and never ever will be so just look at it as you're starting a new lease rather than a mortgage where you are expecting to own the more you pay into it.

shelleyl · December 2017

All I know is I'm not feeling the game right now, to the point where Lugubrious and I have given up leadership in our company, and log in -maybe- once or twice a month, just so we get our UWC's and do contribs. For me the wipe has broken my heart, and my enjoyment of the game. I get no enjoyment out of redoing things I already did. The economy hasn't changed, but my ability to function within it has, since I don't have the resources I did in Gama, nor do I have the money or will to try to get them again. The game was how Lugubrious and I met, and without it we wouldn't be together now, so UWO will always hold a special place in my heart. But it's not what it was for us. We may show up from time to time yet, and we may get to the point where we play regularly again, but that won't be any time soon.

Culvern · December 2017

@cpc
If ones alts do just sit selling the goods in bazaars then the EA goods don't inject cash into the economy, but as soon as the goods are sold to the market it does. That is not a transfer of cash but a generation of cash. It's not the price of EA goods that anyone cares about as far as prices rising. It's the high priced items equipment and ships. If no one has more than 10b dollars no one sells a ship for more than that, once you have 200b then you not on that ship past the 10b anyone else has......the price just inflated.

Interesting study in inflation would be to look up Brazil's economy in the late 80s-90s.

No one cares if saori is 65k or 75k it's only used to fake level a toon. But everyone cares when a ship they hope to buy was 10b one week and a month later it's 40b because so many have the money to pay it.

No alts are not all to blame, but you need to stop denying that they have no affect on the economy, they do. They generate cash faster than dungeons do.

lefox271 · December 2017

Anyone who thinks if there were no Alts they'd be able to afford that 10bn ship is being naive.

There will always be someone who is prepared to put in more time and effort than you. If you dedicate 8 hours to UWO and manage 5 SEA trips before you collapse, there will be another person who will do it for 16 hours and make 10 trips. And when you take a break on day 2, he/she will do it all again.

And for every person who can sustain that for a week, there will be one who can do it for two weeks.

And for every person who decides to do it 'clean' with just one toon, there will be someone who is prepared to do it with three. Or five, or more. And that will be the case whatever the rules you put into place.

@Culvern you are right - do it with an Alt and you double your gross takings. But the ability of a player to obtain that 10bn ship has less to do with Alts, and more to do with what you are prepared to sacrifice to get it. We can take away Alts and this may reduce the 'gap between the rich and the poor. But it's all relative, because the 10bn ship will be just as unobtainable.

Meanwhile, if you ban Alts you affect a whole bunch of other people (like me) who use Alts in ways which aren't just about making money.

Lol - every minute we spend on this forum is a minute other people are in UWO making money. My solution is to only want the stuff I can have, and to play the game as it suits me.

CrzyPsycoChick · December 2017

Lefox is 100% alt or not it does NOT matter there is and always will be some one better or more dedicated than you. After this wipe I don't have nearly all my skills certainly not for lack of knowledge of the game but for the fact I work a lot I just don't have the time any more. Now compare that to someone who has ALL Day to sit and farm nanban or dungeon all day will certainly surpass you in money that's life. So to think that if people don't have alts that people won't have exorbitant amounts of money you sir are Sadly mistaken. I knew people who don't even nanban or multi and have hundreds of billions through reselling and rare crafting its not the alts you blaming prices on the rich. It's not alts is dedication knowledge and time invested oh and don't forget whales they accumulate tons of cash nobody mentions them...

Like I said just because people have money does not mean they will pay any price for an item that's a fact. Put the theory to the test everyone in your company pool all cash to one player then walk around every capital shouting I have 500bil and then monitor the prices did they raise just because he had cash? Hell no lol. Hell every person in your nation do the same will prices raise no.

You all have power to control prices if the price ain't to your liking don't buy it simple. Or make it yourself or find someone selling cheaper.

Lastly to the people blaming all financial woes of alts with all this money they are allegedly just throwing out to everyone please provide SPECIFIC examples of multi box alts running around buying 20 pairs of 100def boots at 300mil each and buying 40bil ships when they really only worth 5bil.

Where are these people??? Because if you that generous I want to be your friend Lolol

Culvern · December 2017

I do not claim alt are to blame for everything. Wow you like to think they are innocent of anything though.
Of course there are many ways to make cash. Alts is just a very easy one.
I do believe it CONTRIBUTES to the rise in prices.
Say someone held and auction and a real nice ship was up on the block. Everyone only has 20b, except one that has 21b, who gets the ship?
Now the going price for that ship is 21b.
Price is what the highest bidder is willing to pay, not the average correct?

Of course there are those that will work harder than the next, I myself am lazy and get bored of grinding so I know others will always be richer and better than I.
I am not blaming anything on anyone as long as play within the rules.
But those that play their style should own the truth.
I play as a pirate. I ruin people's day all the time. I don't lie or justify it with claims it does not affect or bother anyone. I know there are consequences for my action and they are not all good.
Time people are honest with themselves.

There are negatives to the way some alts are played plain and simple.
There are negatives to the way many things are done.

theedgedemon · December 2017

i did read Naver's post and he seems angry on current PVP implementation, which is faulty but better than OGPs last one, which becomes a case of "they did improve but not as much as i wanted as fast as i wanted so i quit" which sounds quite like a tantrum.

This post seems deviated to :

1/4 "economy is crashed" (it is, a freaking surgeon elixir for 1m is BS)

3/4 "alts killed my father so they are guilty of everything".

which now that i think about it describes 90% of the whole forum...

WesDoobner · December 2017

Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya and your alt killed my father. Prepare to be wiped.

Katanauwo · December 2017

It is like opening Pandora’s Box. Wipe will be a convenient agenda for reviving revenue in the future.

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