Emmm... LuL??

dekaronalokenop · December 2017

Last thread got closed by a message from the GM elanin or what ever saying this;

Dude are you stuck in the 20th century? Stalin? what?

Hear me out, you are banned because you kept posting a video where it shows how to unpack the client and modify the game files which to remind you THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR.

Now please mind your own stuff, stop spamming our forum with senseless stuff like if you were living in a dictatorship or like if you were under some kind of Cold War still.

You can speak about anything you want as long as you stay under our forum rules and you are not posting to cause hatred among players/staff, or to be "informative" on how to modify our game files period.

Edit: if you keep spamming, we will ban you again

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Soo let me ask you... should players not post hatred agains the staff and certain players for having accs to the GM shop and having an unfair advantage?

like papaya practicly or more like straight up scammed like the entire legit playerbase of dekaron, how would you feel if you worked for something and spent lots of time and money on it just to notice some dushebags getting all you work hard for instantly, ruining the life for you and ya close friends hmm?,

Idk that entire reply was so damn un-logical, no wonder the entire dekaron community is so feed up with yall,

i can bett 100% the papaya Devs/gms would be angry/pissed and complain if the korean dev team could kick down ya door and sue the living shit out of you, and ruin all your misserable thief lifes, cause thats what you all are, thiefs. Ruining sutcha unique game, people play this amazing game cause there is no other equal to it, it have a unique system and a certain classic/Cool feel to it that no other mmo i have commed across have ever replicated.

[DK]Elanin · December 2017

Maybe some of us despite of how much hard work and dedication we have put into the game, are fed up from senseless and non constructive criticism. Speaking for myself right now.. I am.

People need to understand that posting that kind of stuff into the forums is just not acceptable. It is understandable you feel betrayed and scammed, I do too! It makes me angry not going to deny that either. Years go by and some of us are affected by poor game management moves and even account hacking. If you feel this is horrible, you should be thankful you didn't get to play during that.

We are also, well at least myself.. not going to let players who are angry try to label me or the members of the staff I completely trust into thieves because we are not. The only fault I can possible have to take any blame on, is the fact I was not able to see further and earlier into what was really happening.

Now if I or Gismo or Veronica wanted to ruin the game for you or your friends our ourselves, we would be around banning everybody permanently for every single thing we come accross. I would get on my GM character just to kick out the living soul of your game toon and enjoy it. Have you ever thought about that? like seriously?

You also need to know that anybody with the enough knowledge to do what happened or was described on that video, could have taken advantage of this. If you wanna bash on the responsibles for this then go ahead, fly to Korea and ask why they are even placing these items on our live client without our permission and even without telling us about it. Why they decided to take the CRC check upon the papaya migration.

Now from a reasonable point of view, take a look at the people who did this and who is constantly trying to take advantage over the game. I'm pretty sure you will be able to find who is always coming back to try to make a living out of this game by selling gold or weapons or anything obtained illegaly.

The Dekaron playerbase has been rotten for a long long time, because even players who probably play next to you even approve some of these things and Don't give a damn about what happens to the rest.

The game reaps what the community sew. We are all to blame, we will take the bigger part of that blame if you wish, but as long as you have a clear view of what's really been happening behind the courtain.

If anybody wants to post here or talk with me about game things feel free to, I will try to answer as much as possible. Keep it civil or we will have more issues than what we currently have and I'm not here to create more, I think we all had enough of that.

YerOldmanisHere · December 2017

"Now if I or Gismo or Veronica wanted to ruin the game for you or your friends our ourselves, we would be around banning everybody permanently for every single thing we come accross. I would get on my GM character just to kick out the living soul of your game toon and enjoy it. Have you ever thought about that? like seriously?"

- LOL Elanin. You took this too far....Are you a kid? Seriously....think about it. Whether this be a joke or just a figure of speech - this doesn't make sense since there is NO gm that would ever do that. I do not see your point here. Why? simple. cause if you do that, it would raise suspicion to the game or to any GMs automatically and you would lose your precious “Chat” job. (If any GM would do that, they will do it discreetly to save their asses and that’s 101% sure and YOU KNOW IT. It happened and it may happen again who knows)

Don’t just wash your hand like you guys have nothing to do with any of this. Stand up and take RESPONSIBILITY

dekaronalokenop was just expressing his opinion – and this is NOT because of the community. Don’t you blame the community….you HAVE NO RIGHT to blame the community! You know WHY? Because you are part of the ADMINS – who are SUPPOSED to be the “police” or the “law enforcer” of the game. If you guys are not then direct us to someone who we should call on.

“The Dekaron playerbase has been rotten for a long long time, because even players who probably play next to you even approve some of these things and Don't give a damn about what happens to the rest.”

I agree. Absolutely HOWEVER - Don’t you just blame the scums, cheaters who cheated the game because IN THE FIRST PLACE, it is YOUR JOB to make sure that this things DOESN’T happen. You all…..all of you ADMINS – it is your JOB to try and at least keep the fairness of the game. But what you are now? It looks to us that you are ROTTEN as well. Eaten by the failed corrupted system.

I remember the glory days of 2moons/dekaron. We all shared that. And now what happen? No let me correct myself…..WHAT IS HAPPENING? So that’s it? Blame the community? LOL what a joke.

You can’t even remove those low level characters who spam selling dills online ever since the beginning of age– WHICH is supposed to be ILLEGAL right? LOL. What a joke. Really. It is basically promoting to all new players that you can just simply buy it illegally then get ban for 1~2weeks or so then play again...LOL

You may ask respect from us but before you do so, PROVE to us that you guys seriously want to save the game. We all understand that this is a business and you all need to earn money. However as an Admin you are supposed to accept criticism/feedback as well. That’s part of growing up dude. If you would only listened to your players…..players have lots of ideas but no….looks to us that the staff doesn’t really care and at the end of the day....it's either this game will close or will be bought by another company.

ColdSteel · December 2017

Dear Dekaron Community (players and staff included),

after taking some days off to cool my head and be able to think clear again, I decided to give my personal statement regarding the whole Dekaron situation.

First of all, the most important question shouldnt be: "Who is responsible for the game sinking that deep?", it should rather be: "How do we move on and save the game from dying?" And to the question, dear Papaya Staff, only you can give the anwser. The time has come for the management and Devs to work as hard as never before (imo that wont be that hard) to save whats left from the game.

Even though I dont like digging in the past, but in order to help you to find such an important anwser, lets look back in history.

In 2016 end of June Papaya took over Dekaron, having the hope and trust of thousands of players, waiting to finally get rid of the reign of Nexon.

The first big mistake the company made was a false promise about bringing out the new action, which players desired so much. We heard stories from every corner how a19 is going to change the gameplay for good! Many were disappointed by the failure of providing that, and trust began to fade for the first time.

Later during Summer for God knows how long we were promised about getting a19 and a20, players got more and more disappointed with every maintance.

When a19 first part (while Papaya said they will deliver the complete package) arrived, people quickly realized this isnt what they were hoping for. Papaya got greedy, and most of the long awaited content was p2w.

It would be very important not to forget to mention that GMs were making discussions with players on the forums, how to achieve a less p2w system, and how to advertise the game. Topics about bringing the game to Steam were made, some very good Youtubers and Streamers volunteered and tons of very good suggestions from players were made. Now if you would say the problems I listed before were rather smaller, here comes the FIRST MAJOR ISSUE the company has made. None of these great opportunities were used and implemented. And with none I really mean 0% (!). In todays world, no product or whatever we should call it, can survive without caring about the costumers. There are 2 main factors: 1.The product itself: with the pay2win patches the niveau of Dekaron started to sink drastically (which many thought was not posible anymore), no fun gameplay, no exciting new content (without paying ofc) etc. It was basicly a dead game (and still is),

The 2nd main factor is costumer service: Well to be honest, I do not really think we even had one. GMs rarely replying to important posts and even then not saying anything informative (which is not their fault, atlest not entirely! GMs are not the head of the game, the Management is. Imagine this like the state and the police. The state makes the law (in this case the Management team, with help of the Devs), and the police (here GMs) make sure the law doesnt get broken, and if it does, they punish you for breaking it. It would be very wrong to hate the police for the laws that the government has created!)

We had basicly no connection to anyone from the staff for month, feeling left alone. Tickets got anwsered with an automatic copy paste solution.

Lets continue in our adventure in the not so glorious past. I will not list smaller things, otherwise this post would never end. Another BIG ISSUE! was the greed of the company, especially with the random boxes. Everything related to the management was about the money. You want to enjoy the game? Pay. You want be strong? Pay. Basicly if you wanted to do anything without grindig for years, you had to pay real money for it. I understand that a free2play game needs income. I also agree with such things as in-game Dshop. But not in these measures!

And because of this approach we reached the point we are standing today: The GM-Shop scandal. Now here are a lot of different people to blame: lots of players who abused it intentionally, wanting to trick the system and make a big profit for their own good. The management of Papaya for not taking action. Seriously, you want to tell us you didnt know about that? You didnt notice you had suddenly more 10.000 of Dollars income every month? But it was a good cut right? The Management team needs to stop being corrupt and greedy! You want to make big money? Then change your gameplan. Build a long lasting community, with balanced f2p and p2w. Give the players fun and exciting content. Listen to the damn suggestions we do! Because in the end, its us who play the game and fill your pockets. WE decide what will happen to the game. If there are no players left, you can do whatever you want.

And for the last, GMs are also to blame. Since we got to know that some of them even participated in this fraud. The other GMs should have noticed that and taken actions immidiatly! Even though I have to say, I feel a bit sorry for those, besides their blame, who had nothing to do with that. They got used by the management and the hackers, dupers. And now they need to deal with the shitstorm thats coming. And believe me, that was only just the beginning of a bigger movement.

To sum up quickly: Tons of false promises, bad events and updates, almost only p2w content, greed, corruption and incapability of securing the game from hackers. But hey, atleast you got a nice website! I gotta give you that :)

I think I stated every aspect that needed to be talked about. One more important thing: if you delete all those duped items, who do you think will farm and make new ones again? After all that happened... Half of the playerbase left the game, and the rest wont be spending and money more in Dshop. And without Dshop, you cant make those items. So better think twice and outside the box.

I really hope you will read that GM Elanin, and hopefully respond to it. I am about any kind of discussion,if it can lure the current status into a different direction. I would be really thankful if you could send this letter into the Staff chat (mainly for the Managment). Otherwise I will try to reach out to them through Email, but I dont expect much succes as an average player.

Thanks for reading the statement, I know it got kinda long :D

Waiting for players and Staff reactions :)

Best regards!

eldiflo · December 2017

Empty game will more empty after this maintenance if they decided to ban and delete. Damage is done and there's plenty of solution to exercise other than banning what's left in the game.

painintheuss · December 2017

What is your suggestion @eldiflo? Leave everything as it is? What's done is done? Lets leave +10 gears and gm rings in the game?

eldiflo · December 2017

I'm talking about the player base here. They can delete those all they want but do you really think it would make a difference anymore? Game is done deal.

h2obrr · December 2017

I can make a big list where you did wrong, but I'll make it simple:

1) Lying to players about updades

2) Being partial, you dont treat all players equally, it's easy to notice it ingame and by ticket responses from different players in the same situation.

2) Talking about free to play and introducing milking events and random boxes every other week

3) Blaming KR for everything that goes wrong, while you have part in everything that involves the Dshop, events and other modifications that ONLY HAPPENS in papaya Dekaron.

4) Not having at least one DEV or someone skilled with knowledge of the game in the team.

4.1) This includes you too GM's, IMHO you are occupying a position you shouldnt.

4.2) Letting dupers and others hacks freely advance through the game since day one.

You know what makes a player go to the dark side?

When it notice it can't catch up no matter how much effort it put ingame, because you need spent thousands or hack to cope with.

I have left 4 months ago this game, and I have no intention of coming back. This post is just to "help" the GM which put itself in the place of a victim while you are not.

You are part of what is going on, can you deny any of those 4 statements? Can you write down what have you done good for this game? I hope you can follow those 4 statements be better from now on, if you really care about the game...

K1rio5Z0lo · December 2017

Discuss what? How corrupted you were or give u ideas how to save the last 10% of players left in game?

Enjoy.

Drunkenkick · December 2017

Wow!

I have to give props to [DK]Elanin (which I'm somewhat reluctant to do since you was the one who slapped a temp ban on me which im still somewhat salty about :P) but I fully respect you for the post highlighted above. Not only have you shown that you're (well I hope at least) actively trying to do something but that tirade about switching to GM toon - and I quote - " just to kick out the living soul of your game toon and enjoy it" made me f__king LOL 'cause as stated above, that is childish from a business perspective. But dyou know what else it is? Human. It shows a certain level of passion.

Now that being said, it could be smoke and mirrors. I personally think that you and GM team need to be on your GM characters and actually there in mind, not just pixels. You'll see the alts trying to sell up asap before they get caught red handed with their illegally gained items. I'm sure transaction logs will provide help - but I'm sure these people aren't stupid enough to not use a VPN.

Drunkenkick · December 2017

Quick addition, I also like how you left out Lavente from the paragraph about trusting those you work with.

[DK]Elanin · December 2017

@Drunkenkick Yeah that was the sarcastic paragraph of my post. I don't think I could ever do something like that, if I do I'd use shimmels.

@h2obrr

1- I have personally never lied to players about updates. The only information about updates I actually ever released, was data we got from the Korean crew themselves.

2- I treat all players equally when it comes to support, and I treat them "better" when they are actually trying to solve their issues along with my help.

3- I don't have a voice of what makes it to dshop or not. I will tell you how this works which to be honest it has been the same for every other publisher:
Ubifun as for right now, sell pu blishing rights to Papaya, I'm fairly sure that on that selling deal they gurantee or offer reveneu from the game. Each month or each period of time that reveneu has to be met otherwise no company would like to buy publishing rights for a very old game. The DEVs will do what they think it's necessary in order to reach that goal which in reality is what keeps the game running. You call it milking, I call it milking too. Aside of how much me and the other 2 coming from Nexon complain we don't really have too much of a voice when it comes to what enters the dshop for an event and what doesn't, aside of how "OP" we think a package deal or a single item can be. With this kind of method they will always use and they have always used, the powercreep is real.

4- Yeah we surely let hackers and dupers run free in the game. We do nothing to ban them and we have never done anything about that since day 1. I understand why you are saying this, it might seem we don't, we have an index counting accounts that we have banned since the day 1 at Nexon til now. Would you like the number of accounts?

@YearOldmanisHere

This is not me washing my hands, I'm taking some of the responsibility for what's being going on. If it wasn't like that why would I be posting? Because you know it is not like I'm currently obligated to do this kind of stuff.

It is also not right to blame this on the GM staff every single damn time even if I can personally take some of that hate for the reasons I wrote above which are me not being capable of identifying the issue earlier in a proper manner (it was very clever for whoever was doing this to do it in the middle of all the duping). Every time something terrible happens you all start glaring and talking smack to who might be the only people that has been always trying to get you to enjoy something or be happier about the game.

How can I not blame the part of the community that looks at stuff happening but don't give a damn?

If you don't know enough about the game or if you didn't know enough, why are you taking blame then? I have all rights to blame the people responsible for this and also the part of the community responsible for driving the rest of the players into what will get them banned eventually or into what every single legit player consider it's not only plain wrong but also illegal, leading them to later approve this kind of behaviour in our game. Players that have been playing for a long time know this.

It is kind of sad to see people think that some of us are "rotten", but that kind of hate comes with the job.

h2obrr · December 2017

Last words...

If you have no voice to anything that matters in this game and is just a "way of comunication" and a "ban hammer" that points to where you are said so, I dont see a point in trying to change anything, because you simply cant do nothing.

The boss behind you must just be laughing about all that while counting the money HF.

trowz1 · December 2017

[DK]Elanin ofc deka keeps duying when We dont even have a christmas event 13 december, not full action... players have nothing to do

trowz1 · December 2017

Im just gonna ask then, How are you GM's/Dev gonna do to make this game great again? i mena after all this that happend now, whats ur plan?

ive seen so many players quit from this that happend... have you eny plan to get new players or is it time to just let this game die? cuz atm no one is online no one is playing it feels like, whats the plan [DK]Elanin?

trowz1 · December 2017

Im just gonna ask then, How are you GM's/Dev gonna do to make this game great again? i mena after all this that happend now, whats ur plan?

ive seen so many players quit from this that happend... have you eny plan to get new players or is it time to just let this game die? cuz atm no one is online no one is playing it feels like, whats the plan [DK]Elanin?

trowz1 · December 2017

Im just gonna ask then, How are you GM's/Dev gonna do to make this game great again? i mena after all this that happend now, whats ur plan?

ive seen so many players quit from this that happend... have you eny plan to get new players or is it time to just let this game die? cuz atm no one is online no one is playing it feels like, whats the plan [DK]Elanin?

Mytsos · December 2017

+1 ColdSteel

Mytsos · December 2017

+1 ColdSteel

Mytsos · December 2017

+1 ColdSteel

magazinul2 · December 2017

Hands down to @[DK]Elanin for your activity and bold response on the current situation.

Really loved what you wrote down there and it made me feel kinda sad for GM's as well but the way it is right now blaming the community is wrong and not right-funded.

Yes, there are players that have been abusing dupes and hacks and so much more, however have you ever considered that the push to the darkside is fueled by Papayas greed and their unrealistic farming amounts needed for items rings etc, or the aggresively p2w events and content, such things discourage the f2p ppl and there are 3 logic response:

1) Realise it is impossible to compete without spending a unhealthy amount of time farming and playing an online game to get a certain item and do yourself a favour and quit.

2) Try to keep playing without the new p2w content but always feel inferior to others.

3) Join the dark side and live easy and comfortable, with the risk of getting banned but hey, you didnt spend money or inhuman hours trying to farm and felt op for a few weeks months till you were cought.

I am at the point where I am sick of farming ... can't be motivated to farm 10k seeds for a freaking unipet because it takes so God Damn long, and yet I am avoiding hacking because I invested way to much time and energy to farm all I could. Hacking would just put all that hard work in the bin and hurt myself.

However the farming system should be more fun, more partybase.

We got so many dungeons and in order for us all to get at high level, we isolate ourselves in IB2 or 164 and 185 Dungeon away from guildies and friends just for the sake of lvling and dils ...

Making dgs harder so that a party base would be established wouldnt solve anything, we need a CQ reformation, something more rewarding just like we had the thrill back in the day when we were doing CQ in draco desert full parties drifting the hell out of them mobs for hours and getting cq rewards dils and even silvers which is equivalent of getting 10 condensed silvers in todays tearm.

Oh, myself i got lots of things im missing and need to farm but ... i have 0 motivation, unrealistic hours and boredom, that's not just the fuss of myself, it's the game that gave me this feeling.

However these matters should be focused more only after this whole pile of poo is solved.

The major focus should be on removing helpy +10 made ilegaly thou i bet like 80% of the current +10 helpy in game is made illegaly, there has been 2 weeks since this blew in the public and we never see anyone making +10 helpy no more, there used to be 5-8 helpys+10 weapons, just weapons made daily befor this blew up.

The success rate on helpy is broken, the items itself are broken and unrealistic, talismans available only in Dshop and only at specific times once in a while which is bad for the community.

I personaly wish helpy never came to Dekaron, wish new gears werent this broken, all other sets now are completly useless since none can compete with the Ultimate Milking Set Helpyron.

And still a topic @northeastazu has pushed so much and is so important for the community right now, about the compensation for the people that bought ilegal items unknowingly and ending up with them deleted or even banned.

This is straight up unethical and your approach twards this issue must be revaluated.

Offer dil compensation for the item they bought unknowingly.

We still are missing a christmas event, I understand it's a big mess going on right now but still players have absolute nothing to do in game besides afk crespo, complain, some broken pking against helpy then close game and feel like you haven't done anything productive yet again in Dekaron since nothing left to do.

Looking forward for more information, however we feel left in the blue right now, we didnt recieve any news about whats going down and we can still see Escobaar selling 30% talismans in Match chat without a care in the world.

Peace out!

Hami :*

YerOldmanisHere · December 2017

Thanks for the reply Elanin. Atleast I’m sure that some of us feel somewhat a little at ease.

Before you begin reading this, please go up and read those other comments...I'm sure you'll see a common denominator..

. . . for me, this makes something very clear now. There is no future in Dekaron. This is really nothing but an old game waiting to be forgotten. I don’t even know where to begin….

1.   It looks like…we legit players have really NO way to reach out to DEVs to develop Dekaron for the better ….since you just stated that the only info you guys provide is from the Korean crew themselves. I just only want to add that the only problem Papaya failed to do here is “being open and honest”….what you guys did in the past was lie to us….well not “straight lie” but rather a “salesman pitch”. You just made those shitty announcement/updates (forgive my word) look cool but in reality what we mostly get from them are updates with a LOT of bugs and bugs. –then the DEVs would follow it up with another fail resolution to the bugs = DISAPPOINTMENTS

2.   I agree with @h2obrr on this. If you are what you claim to be then don’t take it personally but rather pass this along with all your fellow chat support GMs. You guys really don’t treat all players equally and for FreeToPlay, all you do is talk. (see #4)

3.   This is simple. You simply told us that you as a GM is no “Game Master” at all but more like a desk chat support. As it is...You guys have no power to the game, you only Ban players and make a sales pitch announcement. So the game “play” is completely out of your hand. I pity those who still spend cash on this game. Lame.

4.   You failed to understand our point…..You can go ahead and post and brag about all the numbers of accounts you banned since day 1. And I’m pretty confident that that’s many HOWEVER, what you and your colleague missed here is not the numbers …but as a GM like you “MAKING AN IMPACT” to the game. Let me give you a simple example:

4a. Since day 1 we all see those low level characters flooding Ardeca and promoting DILL buying online – which is last time I checked is illegal – What have you done? NOTHING because there is clearly a conspiracy here and I’m sure that you all know what I am talking about.

4b. this dill buying online encourage all players OLD or NEW (especially NEW players) to do what is supposed to be illegal. So ask yourself – is that good?

4c. you only apply temporary ban. – Even if someone did something “horrible cheating” that is supposed to be banned-able for good, you don’t do that. – It is clearly because you are AFRAID to make a stand. To make an impact so that PLAYERS and not only ACCOUNTS will be discourage to do anything that is illegal. Banning 10000000000trillion account per day won’t make a change not unless you treat anyone and everyone fair. I myself would be willing to give up all my asset in game to start over again only if you can promise us that it will be a clean Dekaron but you can’t cause you won’t. – or maybe, your DEVs won’t – if that’s what you want to say.

4d. this and the other long list of item duping, map hack, vack hack, skill hack, GM Shop etc. etc. I am sure that you can all review and track down all this cheaters MAIN Accounts if you want to and banned them for good but you won’t. I am pretty sure you won’t. Not today or any other day since it would be counter-productive to Papaya now to ban players who spend real cash on Dshop even though they did cheat the game. - so who to blame again?

By the way....just a slight reminder...have you all gone fishing? It's holiday now and players have nothing to do in Dekaron.

Lastly, I cannot believe that you as a GM are nothing but a powerless individual who sat on their desk and drinks coffee while doing your yoga.

To all legit players and scums of the game:

YerOldmanisHere · December 2017

+1 to gay Hami @magazinul2

budilica31 · December 2017

At the friends from the DSHOP ABUSER and People who buy unkownly full +10 Set tell this story to someone else who believe you this.

GM Elanin is not stupid and i hope he dont listen to your excuses and bann you all for cheating and abusing this situation. Like DI said the most of the People bought it probably with Kash and the others just got it probably for free. You can exactly see which People running wih +10 Sets and kinda strange the most are in the same guild.. Now they traded and dropped probably the items to hide or save them. Also for this you should bann them for hiding the ilegal made items.

Emmm... LuL??

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