Battle Campaign

SUNDOGG97SUNDOGG97 Posts: 135Member Trainee
I am sorry but as an event, it kind of really sucks. Not the event it self.
But the attitudes of some people that do it. They call others feeders and they do not want others to take part because some of them I guess think they are doing all the work and the rest pf the fleet does nothing.

I like to see if they could do it alone,it may add some validity to their assertion.

I can not see how this game will survive, if the same attitudes exist with both the Host and the players from the last server

What does this event do for any one playing. Nothing really

Wake up it will never be a PK game
Stehrleaceman39
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  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    There are no restrictions, you can make more then one room. It is just that normally the only room that is going are the pure pvpers that want a fair/even balanced fight between skilled players. No one likes feeders as they are useless and get in the way. The simple way to not be a feeder is to get your skills high and get a good ship (at least gunnery skills to r15 and a Vaisseau at lvl 52 max improved),.

    There is nothing telling you need to play BC so it is rude to tell others who want to play BC how they should play it and how they should run it. If you want to be a carebear then do it someplace else
    Stehrleaceman39
  • StehrleStehrle Posts: 3Member Beginner
    sign
  • StehrleStehrle Posts: 3Member Beginner
    Can only agree with Spartan there.
  • fields1234fields1234 Posts: 165Member Trainee
    Well there is both valid arguments

    I'm sure some players wanta good fight, understandable, they grinded the skills to get there and should be entitled to say no to players to join the fight. If you were one of those players create a room and say no to the experienced players, simple.

    On the other side of the coin however I think the people that are intrested in BC and fights in general could perhaps be more accomodating at times, perhaps instead of just videos on youtube with them showing off the skills perhaps help others and explain in detail what cannons are good, what ships are good what skills and equipment maybe aswell. I myself would do one but I'm only kinda started doing the battle side since Papaya and I don't feel comfortable making a video on something I don't really know the perks or ways to level up myself.

    I think we have to remember that to make the game fun for all, everyone has to share some information because simply put we don't seem to have any one source of knowledge as it's all scattered onto various websites.
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Anyone creating a mission in BC can set level restrictions and boat restrictions to their own preference. That way they don't have to fight those outside their skill level.
    Generally those of us that play BC do our best to level the sides and make it a fair fight.

    I played it today and....... wow I was terrible.
    Time to go grind up some skills.
  • SUNDOGG97SUNDOGG97 Posts: 135Member Trainee
    Mo one is going to be interested in playing with others that think others are useless with no proof,what kind of thinking is that

    LIMITED.

    I never told any one how to play it or run it

    Way to attract people to the event eh.

    The same attitudes still exist.

    I just calling it fr the way it is in this game

    I can not a see a future for the game with with the same attitudes and non thinking
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    This is one of those times where both sides are right. 

    On one hand for maritimers they whine and cry boo hoo hoo theres nobody to fight its so lame waaaahh YET when there is an opportunity to facilitate new and less experienced players into maritime you don't what to play with them… interesting. If you keep that attitude NO WONDER theres nobody to fight you have nuture NEW people as well you cant only single out vets or you're only going to fight those same vets FOREVER. Also the players you snub will never get acclimated into maritime and just stay traders and just trib you when they see you and DONT COMPLAIN when it happens because you caused it. You really dont know how influential a vet can be to starting a player down the path to maritime. Be team players help create new maritimers dont be a cuck. 


    On the other hand as well every player has the right to do whatever they want to do if they want to fight a tough opponent in THEIR game that's their right. This isn't a dictatorship you can't force people to something they don't want to do… it is what it is.   It would be like if you have plans to go nanban to make money but then a newbie wants to do plucking chickens so then you must now give up your nanban trip to stay and pluck chickens with them… that wouldn't be fair right so you cant expect the same from maritimers. So if the Big boys want to play with the big boys you just have to accept it sometimes. 

    I just think there should be a balance some days you help newbies some days you do your own thing.  Do a few rounds of BC with Vets and a few with newbies that will keep both sides happy and keep a balanced game environment. 
  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    If newbies come to BC they will only get one shot over and over and over and over and over again. I don't think you have ever played BC, no equipment durability is lost so everyone is going be to using the best cannons and maxed skills. If you are not at least to a vaisseau with r15 gunnery skills you are not going to have any fun and only frustration. 

    What do you think is better? Newbies being abused because they are not in good ships with good skills or newbies grinding to a proper ship and skills before entering pvp. If these newbies wanted to maritime properly they would grind like the rest of us, if they don't want to pvp then they don't want to maritime period and since this game attracts a fair number of care bear traders then the maritime scene is never going to grow.

    Sure we could teach players how to be maritimers but there are plenty of maritime companies out there with experienced people that can teach newbies but do these newbies really go to these companies?
    Rhend78aceman39
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    A lot of Maritime companies that say they are willing to train noobs then when they join them they are never taught so then they leave the company. How is that helping them
  • StehrleStehrle Posts: 3Member Beginner
    I'd Train any newbie if they're willing to grind their skills/lvl's and aren't scared of takeing a beating for the 1st few weeks/month. I'd love to have some more strong maritimers on Maris which have the Courage to fight even if maybe outnumbered and lose.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @YinYangSparty If these newbies wanted to maritime properly they would grind like the
    rest of us, if they don't want to pvp then they don't want to maritime
    period and since this game attracts a fair number of care bear traders
    then the maritime scene is never going to grow.

    you couldn't be more wrong about your statement assuming people are 'absolutes' in their styles. New players DO want to try maritime, but they just don't want to make it the main point of their game. Players are intimidated by the hardcore power maritime players running around all supped up with gear and decked out ships, but it doesn't mean that they don't want to try. They shouldn't be forced to have to devote all their time to grind battle skills to r15, especially if they are only planing on doing maritime part time.
      People have to understand that this is the first BC event and as such people are anxious to try out their gear and ships against other top end players not against new players. This is also why vets have little patience for new players joining right now, it's not their time yet. It's a shame that some people have to take negative attitudes towards new players who are interested in trying BC instead of explaining to them to just be patient for beginner battles to be hosted. Over time the environment will become more relaxed which will draw out more new players to participate, especially when more people start modding ships and build up their characters.
       I'd suggest that IF people want more players to get involved with maritime, then start encouraging more new players to try out maritime. Get people in your companies and/or announce beginner BC or mock events, even make a forum post for signups. Most importantly, when playing with new players you have to set standards to be balanced, like only using stockyard ships and parts, also avoid crit shots on new players during these events so they have more longevity (after all your skills will still be high, crit shots defeat the purpose). Give useful advice on tactics and allow them to actually practice it. Little things like that will build up confidence in people to want to develop and strive for higher level of play. This is the reason why BC was set up before ESF, to give players (ALL PLAYERS) a chance to practice in a battle environment where you don't die permanently.
       It's funny that so many people talk about 'rebuilding the server' and 'building up the player base', but you know what? Talk is Cheap! Actions speak louder than words, so what are we going to do to make a change on this new server? Are you going to make a difference and create a great environment for everyone or are you going to just going complain about everything and play as a selfish person. Everyone should ask themselves this, we as vets have an opportunity here to really make make something special on this new server and influence many people, maybe even build the game back to the big days when the game first started on NM.
    CrzyPsycoChickCulvern
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    THANK YOU!  Somebody gets it. What alot of these hardened maritimers dont understand is that THEY have to plant the seed to grow the maritime tree it doesnt just begin as a redwood. Alot of these guys seem to have forgotten they themselves were newbies at one point too and they had someone take them under their wing now it seems they just TOO GOOD to do it for someone weaker than them smh. 


    If you're in BC do a newbie round every now and then where the vets get a team of newbies as partners against another vet with a team of newbies as well.  Or get a weaker ship or if so tough grab a TLG to fight with them or make the vets coaches while the newbies fight BE CREATIVE.  Theres ALWAYS  something you can do to get newbies involved anything else is just an excuse.

    You have to understand every time they get snubbed in BC or Esf or the lvl reqs are too high to join your "big time" maritime companies you know what they do? They join guilds like mine that are newbie friendly and then they learn from and more importantly look up to people like me and I'm not bragging I'm going to tell you why that detail is relevant… I'm no maritimer I'm a trader/land battler so naturally what do you think THEY will become duhhhhh a trader as well or a dungeoneer because I and many other guilds extended that olive branch when you spit in their face. That then decreases the maritime population and your "pvp" experience is hurt riiiight? You have to be more LIBERAL yeah I said the L word you got damn trump supporters lolol in the way you treat the game's newbies just taking them under your wing or just taking just a little time to devote to them can do SO MUCH to push them toward maritime. 


    I said it before on Naver other forum and ill say it again it isn't PVP thats broken… its PVP'ers themselves that are broken...

    purplepirate
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    One more lil detail I started this game 8 years ago as a maritime I tried to join a few companies and got turned away due to my weak levels and not finishing maritime school yet was in intermediate at the time.   Then a guild called New Horizons took me in showed and did Dungeons with me and I started doing them religiously and exclusively… who knows if I wasnt snubbed by the maritimers so many years ago maybe CPC would have been a full time maritimer… guess we'll never know what would have been had those selfish maritimers extended the olive branch those many years ago .    Oh well… 


    "Pvp isn't broken PVP'ers are broken"
  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    Fine then if you want me to allow all the noobies into my games fine then. Ill just farm them until they rage quit. Pvp isn't for people who have low rank skills/bad ships. If you had a desire to pvp you need to level up properly. But if you idiots don't want to do the hard work necessary then those of us who did will just have to farm you until you figure it out that you don't belong in pvp
    purplepirate
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    Ok see attitudes like your really does suck. Instead of just wanting to farm the ones wanting to learn why not step back and remember people that helped you and be part of the community instead of a small minded fool who say if they are not working hard Mine you they might be learning. Then I will just keep attacking them to make them quit. People like you are what ruins this game
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate

    @YinYangSparty Fine then if you want me to allow all the noobies into my games fine then. Ill just farm them until they rage quit. Pvp isn't for people who have low rank skills/bad ships. If you had a desire to pvp you need to level up properly. But if you idiots don't want to do the hard work necessary then those of us who did will just have to farm you until you figure it out that you don't belong in pvp

       Wow, how ignorant of you! You have proven what CPC and I have been talking about when it comes to attitude. You have just admitted that you want to force everyone off the server and have UWO fail as a game, and that you will do it single handedly if necessary. You really are an ignorant selfish person! This game wasn't just made for you alone, and if you want there to be nobody left then maybe you should go play some single player game instead. seriously, you really are a tool.

    aceman39
    IGN: Samantha99
  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    The funny thing is, no one taught me. I learned by that very method. I played in the era of pvp monsters who did not teach you except only destroy you. I was beaten down and I learned to grind my skills, I was beaten down I got a better ship. I had the desire to pvp to win. The people you describe are people with no desire to win only to play and get a  participation trophy. I don't care for people like that, if you are going to come I will destroy you and I will not teach  you other then the way I was taught. Don't like it? I don't care. Get used to it
    aceman39
  • aceman39aceman39 Posts: 943Member Intermediate
    Well times are not like they was in the old days. People want to learn and if vets don't teach people who want to PVP then you might as well say PVP will die as the vets fade away there will only be the newcomers that wanted to learn but wasn't shown the way. Then people will cry that pvp is dead and people like you will be the blame and then where will pvp  be. Down in the trash. So if that is the attitude you have then why not make everyone in difference classes have the same attitude. Because that attitude is foolish and not very smart
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @YinYangSparty
    The funny thing is, no one taught me. I learned by that very method. I
    played in the era of pvp monsters who did not teach you except only
    destroy you. I was beaten down and I learned to grind my skills, I was
    beaten down I got a better ship. I had the desire to pvp to win. The
    people you describe are people with no desire to win only to play and
    get a  participation trophy. I don't care for people like that, if you
    are going to come I will destroy you and I will not teach  you other
    then the way I was taught. Don't like it? I don't care. Get used to it


    it's not about that, I learned pvp the same way. It's the fact that you have some kind of 'hate' towards everyone else on the server. That attitude might have been fine back on OGP but this is a new server with many more new players (just like you at one time). The point is, is that this time we can make a better more competitive environment this time on Maris. But we certainly don't need people like you chasing away other players before the server has a chance to establish itself. You are counter productive to the success of the new UWO game.
    aceman39
    IGN: Samantha99
  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    Don't like it? I don't care. Get used to it
    aceman39
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Spartan is right if he wants to be a cuck and farm any newbie in BC until they quit and refuse to help any newbies thats his prerogative and hes free to do so however by doing so… 


    You forfeit  any and all rights to complain anymore that "carebears" / traders are ruining pvp. They rolled back all nerfs traders asked for so you can no longer blame us for any pvp woes blame yourself.  As of right now PVP'ers like yourself not nurturing new maritine are causing MORE damage to the PVP maritimer community than any trader/carebear is currently doing. So I better not hear about peep of complaint from you anymore about it. 

    Lastly I hope any other maritimer reading this if they see you trying to farm newbies until they quit find you and farm you for trying to intentionally sabotage the game… you're good spartan but theres better out there and I dont think they'll take to kindly to you doing that… but its your choice watevs
  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    Am I the only maritimer on this game? Are there not maritime companies in this game? To say the end of pvp is my fault is stupid as hell. As for maritimers farming me  there are no maritimers in this game left that will farm me, if there are ill just fight them and kick their ass. Why don't you just sit in Seville all day doing your auctions and stop trying to talk about parts of the game you don't care about, why don't you teach people maritime and stop being a crybaby gibsmedat.
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Reading comprehension

    1. I said maritimers with an s who think like you. Not just you alone

    2. I said you are welcome to not help and farm new people to maritime its your game you not obligated to do it but just don't complain about other groups destroying maritime when your actions are destroying maritime as well where you said I quote.. 

     " Ill just farm them until they rage quit."   

    carebears crying about piracy to get it nerfed is just as destructive to the maritimer as a schmuck farming a new player until they quit and never play again.  Do what you want just don't complain about other people if you going to do that.

    3. I do teach players my craft mine is trade and land battles thats my specialty only difference is I share my knowledge you don't big difference. If I was a maritime I'd share that too you've seen my guides. 

    4. You only getting defensive with me because you've become the very thing you trash talk about the most aka a person who is helping destroy the maritime community. Get mad all you want it's the truth if you're one of those pushing new maritimers to quit by farming them and shunning then you're no better than the "carebears".


    Welcome to the club Spartan of people killing PVP. 
    purplepirateHuseyinGaziaceman39
  • YinYangSpartyYinYangSparty Posts: 50Member Beginner
    I said I will farm them until they rage quit because you (traders) want me as a maritimer to allow people who are prepared for maritime to enter pvp. Honestly I came back because I heard there was a maritime community now but there isn't, this game was only going to be time killing game until better mmos come out I don't care if I kill maritime to me it is already dead in a dead game
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Other than the farming I said why don't you teach them you don't even want to do that so dont talk about us traders you're no better for the maritime than us.  Instead of crying about pvp do something about it… it just seems you guys cry the biggest tears then when the opportunity comes to make a change you PVP'ers don't do a damn thing either you lazy, uncaring or too POO-C to fight other maritimers. 

    No maritime events or tournaments 

    No challenge of other maritimer/ companies for superiority 

    No naval blockades set for traders

    No pvp school like Serg used to do to get new people into Maritime

    No offering of BH services as convoys

    No Maritime events for new comers 



    Where is all that stuff that you can do right now oh right its not your responsibility right?   For YEARS you dragged us traders through the mud for destroying PVP with the nerfs. Now they ROLLED ALL THE NERFS BACK. 

    Improved hold… nerfed
    Plunder….returned
    Deck battle… restored
    Turtle ships… no longer melee proof
    Deck Barrier… buffed

    What more do you need?? Now its all on YOU! 
     

    YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN EXCUSE FOR THE STATE 
    OF MARITIME. 


    Until you guys step it on your end and take the effort as PVP'ers to get PVP hype again then don't blame us anymore. Its all YOU PVP'ers fault from the moment the nerfs were rolled back. 

    HuseyinGaziaceman39
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @YinYangSparty I don't care if I kill maritime to me it is already dead in a dead game

    what a sad pessimistic life you must lead. If the game is dead to you then maybe you should move on...

    btw, if you think i'm some kind of noob i'm not. In fact every maritimer out there who reads your post and remembers me from OGP is laughing at you right now...
    IGN: Samantha99
  • Rhend78Rhend78 Posts: 88Member Beginner
    Spartan, I disagree with your comment on there not being a maritime community. I think there's a lot of maritimers out there now. But, I also think that a lot of them have full time jobs, and or families and other responsibilities and aren't where they want to be skill-wise and ship-wise just yet to really get into pvp. 

    It's still pretty early for a lot of players. Those running around with a ton of r15 refined skills and in fully pimped maritime ships are way ahead of the curve, they are way out in front of how the average player is moving. 

    Though, I see how it could seem like there isn't a strong maritime community, if you're one of the ones way out in front, if you are one of them like Stehrle who rarely gets a good fight. That doesn't mean there's no maritime community, it just means that those individuals went beastmode, and now are risking the chance of getting bored due to being so far out front. 

    Give it some time. =)
    HuseyinGazi
    Kai - Maritimer
    Rhend - Trader
  • ISSA112ISSA112 Posts: 21Member Beginner
    Been there, done that (every1 who knows me know that),
    i was nooby guy that joined BC and as Sparty says killed over and over again with no good skills and less good ship.
    u can say to 10 ppl in other camp dont farm newbie but as we know it happens all the time.
    so i went back and took my time grinding and getting better ships.
    u will learn nothing joining BC with vets if u dont have skills and ship that can keep up with them, u only get to be killed over and over and over again.
    As u can see that what i have been talking about on OGP about reset happening, gap between vets and newbies is even bigger then ever before,
    i took my time grinding skills and getting better ship and joined BC again with different outcome, i was not that guy that everyone sink anymore.
    i trained lots of newbies that want to learn but always first thing that i say to them is go get grind evasion and cannon skills, tactic in battle is the thing u can do with newbies in BC or mock BUT setup your own BC room and get in ship that matches that what ppl u going to practice have  and reduce skill too.
    u can rage as much u want but nothing will change the fact that if newbie join BC with vets he will always be farmed and ppl dont like to lose fights so they will be expelled from team or there will be lvl restriction setup.
    konw that first handed as after i grinded my skills and got better ship it took me like a month of killing pirats and mocks to ppl recognize me and to be able to join BC as i was low lvl back then on NM.

    Good thing was that battle school that Serg have done on OGP for newbies.
    Hope something like that happen again but as we all get older and with jobs and family there is not much free time to play as before and help newbies.

    so i will here recomend again to all ppl that didnt do battle before or newbies PLEASE go out there and grind EVASION and CANNON skills and get in some better ship, otherwise BC will not be fun for you.

    ISSA





    HuseyinGazi
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Even that is fine Issa. The difference b/w what you do and what he said was. 

    1.one you took the time to explain why they shouldn't join BC not just snubbed them

    2. You explained what they need to do and where do to it ie. Grind evasion,  Cannon skills etc.

    3. You offered to fight with them once you gave them advice and extended the olive branch

    4. You explained the risks of BC without those skills and left it up to the newbies to make the CHOICE to still join rather than just bring them in and just farm them for no reason at all as to why and have the newbie just think you're aholes and ultimately not becoming maritimers at all because of how they were treated. 


    Nothing wrong with telling people to train but you have to offer the olive branch and point them in the right direction and give advice.  Spartan said no advice,  no explanation just either snub or farm them no reason given. That will hurt maritime and only make more traders or adventurers I  have nothing against him personally but at the VERY least he could offer a little help or a little encouragement. We all just need to be a little nicer and take initiative or the server will never recover from the server wipe we endured.

    Nothing against you Spartan but if you do what you said you going to do dont be surprised when you shout come to BC and you hear nothing but crickets and its a ghost town. Like I said before the future of maritime is all on maritime guys like you and Issa, Serg etc.from this point on  you can't blame the traders anymore the nerfs were rolled back its all on you maritimers and their actions to decide if it lives or dies… 

  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @CrzyPsycoChick Spartan said no advice,  no explanation just either snub or farm them no reason given.

     Actually, he did give a reason. He said he wants everyone to 'rage quit' the game. lol
    IGN: Samantha99
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