Pirate alliance

HelloAll · January 2018

With traders being scarce and pirates being few it is not easy to catch them, especially if alone.

Also I am noticing more and more BH

I propose a pirate alliance.

It doesn’t need to be anything official or any thing to do with company, just a code as such.

That rather than attack each other, help each other.

When you go into a sea to hunt, rather than think I’m gonna find and kill that guy, or worry that he might do it to us, why don’t we fleet?!

Or at least have a code that there will be no conflict or we are there as back up in case BH arrive.

We could defo pirate smarter if we knew each red/orange was an instant ally.

I’ve seen BH fleet they have never met each other before, they just turn up in a sea and say hey let’s hunt.

Pirates should do the same. That way we can hunt more safely.

And if the odd one breaks the code, well then as a collective we discipline them :)

If we had the unwritten code we would all pirate more effectively.

If people like the idea there is enough well known pirates on this forum to spread the word to the majority of reds/oranges.

Twitchalot · January 2018

Red/oranges can hire a BH with high heal/repair skills in a high dura ship so they can attack in fleet and their BH pal can't be attacked. Yet another flawed game mechanic that gives pirates/privateers a total advantage. There's a song that comes to mind here: "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now." How very childish.

HelloAll · January 2018

Your getting boring mate. Please take your narrow mind else where.

NaverUWO · January 2018

He is actually a retard. You can ignore him.

I understand what you mean by organizing pirates and do something together.

However, there are not enough pirates, bounty hunters and the population in general to do such things anymore. Even if you manage to organize them by forming a company or anything, you will have to keep them entertained while you ain't having fun. You will feel like having a second job instead of enjoying the game.

Myself have been contributing so much time to this game by doing the exactly same as you are planning to but it certainly isn't worth the time unless you want to waste for nothing.

There is a limitation that a player can do unfortunately.

If the PvP system isn't fixed, your plans will be harder and harder. Why?

Because organizers will have to hold them from the failed PvP system just like I am doing it now.

If things get bored, maritime players will leave/quit much easily from my experience.

Not sure if you know AreS or HwangJinee but we have been creating dramas by provoking players to make the game more fun. We successfully created some energy into maritime community but it just cannot last longer unless the PvP system changes.

My suggestion for you is find other games just try to enjoy some BC although you will have to shout forever to find people to play with just like Stehl? or w/e called has been doing.

CaptainQC · January 2018

First Naver stop telling everyone are retard or stupid noob you look like a little kids that cry.2 pirating and PVP are 2 different thing.PVP mean player that want to fight agains other player and pirating is player that attack another player that dont want to fight.so if you lloking for PVP stop asking for pirate

HelloAll · January 2018

@NaverUWO

Well to be honest naver I am no maritime pro, and don’t have a ship for it, I’m just an out and out pirate/trade chaser.

I know what you mean about difficulty of organising it.
And for that reason I was thinking of it being more like a community or a union.

So basically we have an unwritten rule that we are “allies” and not “enemies” when we pass at sea, and then if we wish we can fleet or request help.

If the word was sprea we could just put PA (pirate alliance) in status box, so u know who is on your side or not.

Say for example I’m pirating in a sea, and you (Naver) come in the same sea, u notice I have PA in my status also so u maybe decide to invite me to join.
Or if you have just been hassled by some BH you might ask for my help and vice versa.

We just need to spread the word a bit and it could work nicely without anyone being in charge.

Just kind of a code more than anything.

NaverUWO · January 2018

@CaptainQC

Sorry, a retard is a retard.

@HelloAll

It will never work like that.

Some privateers will have national prides and some will not want to see other pirates attacking their own company members. Those kind of rules only preventing pirates to limit their entertainment.

For example, if RedEmpire ever decides to go for PvP, it will be Venetians vs everyone including other pirates who are attacking Venetians.

NaverUWO · January 2018

Our problem is not pirate allies nor bounty hunter allies.

There are no professional players anymore in both roles.

We need to put the energy into UWO by reviving old PvP system.

If we have a good PvP system, those thing will happen automatically.

One hundred fucking percent.

CrzyPsycoChick · January 2018

@helloall

A Pirate alliance is simply the most feasible and logical thing to do which is why I have been pushing it. You will attract more people to piracy if its done. Most importantly don't look for ways something won't work instead look for ways it CAN work and go all out with it. As for PESSIMISTIC people who are giving a million different reasons why it won't work or won't do well them F off baby you can do and achieve anything you put your mind to. Lastly if any other maritimers don't want to join and wage war with you so be it… just will add to the excitement

NaverUWO · January 2018

@CrzyPsycoChick

I am sorry but there are no maritimers that are interested in any of your ideas/events

I hope you wake up from your own league and be more realistic instead.

My proposal is all about having a system that will increase the UWO population and activies in general.

Your proposal is all about making temporary no fun events (who even care) that will bring more boredom into already bored PvP system.

I mean... You can try it. And prove me I'm wrong. I don't like people that just talk and no action.

It's more like asking BE and PAC to be allied while we were the only companies that fought each other.

Culvern · January 2018

@HelloAll

I understand what you're saying. I have always played by those rules. I never attack another pirate and will usually help em.
But it's true you never know if they will attack you. Many do. I would be great if we all held to the standard.

Rhend78 · January 2018

CaptainQC

You're wrong. I've been PvPing online for over 20 years now. I've played just about every MMO out there. One thing they all have in common, is that generally, PvP happens whether both individuals are ready for it or not.

Saying PvP only happens when it's consensual is frankly, stupid. Pirating is no different than when in PvP one person see's the other first and gets the jump on them. One was ready, the other was not, it happens ALL the time in every MMO that allows players to hurt one another.

There are plenty of games out there though that will offer you the protection you need. Hello Kitty Online is one, my daughter is almost 10, so she's starting to out grow it, but she found it fabulous for a couple of years. There's also the single player Uncharted Waters, lots of emulators and roms online for them.

Rhend78 · January 2018

As for the original post....

That would be nice, if the population could support it. The population is already so low, that I don't think it can. A lot of the pirate players aren't pirates so much for stealing stuff from other players, as they just want to fight and have fun. When there are so few people to fight, removing another group of potential people to fight from the mix, just hurts the fun factor of that aspect of the game.

HuseyinGazi · January 2018

The cause for having lack of piracy is what Rhend just stated "lack of game population".

There used to be way more trader around and as the population grows on them, so the piracy does as they can find their prey easier. As both group grows, another hunter called Bounty Hunters will grow as well.

The lack of the population lies from the following cause (in my view):

1) The Server Reset is where it all started that resulted a great number of Veteran players leaving the game as their long efforts has been flushed away... Even I do grief this pain. By having less people of them to teach new players, new players doesn't last long in UWO due it's complexity. Despite they adjusted the PvP system near the old-fashion, this damage is way too devastating for players to see this benefit.

2) The rewards in PvP isn't great and doesn't compensate all the costs that a player has to pay. If they at least improved the spoil reward OR giving a special reward for a certain achievement, that would be great. That pirates can't take quest after 10k noto is crap which I rather want to be gone and that players turning blue from winning VS pirates must be gone as well.

3) By far one of the most important factor... ADVERTISING THE GAME. The problem that has been gone through years... Whenever people ask me what game I currently play, upon to my answer they all saying that it ISN'T familar to them. About 9/10 this is happening and it's no surprise, because UWO can be only seen in a small area where attracting players is pretty slim. Almost every MMORPG (especially popular ones) advert their game... and it's a shame that it doesn't happen to UWO as this is one of the most unique game I've ever seen.

My hope is that Papaya works on the THIRD point especially... I am sure if the population grows, so piracy/BH does. It is all up to them though... so far I am not really satisfied yet. :(

Kind Regards,

HuseyinGazi · January 2018

about point 2... I mean winning VS pirate as defender... Sorry my bad. Can't edit the post, which is also terrible >_<

lefox271 · January 2018

I think HelloAll makes a good suggestion. If I was a pirate
I’d join. It’s funny how the reaction of maritimers is so negative – just as it
was when CPC suggested a more aggressive form of alliance.

Okay- I hear what
some of you experienced maritimers are saying, it may not gain much traction
among players – but you’re sure as hell not gonna change anything if you do
nothing!

Twitch- I think HelloAll was right to criticise you for your
comment. You say you can’t handle confrontation at the moment – and we respect
that – so why make provocative comments (which have nothing to do with the
subject anyway)?

I like the way HelloAll and Culvern have chosen to play a
role in the game – despite the considerable hardships. There are other maritimers
(both pirates and BH) who do PvP who don’t seem bothered about playing a role,
they just want to have ranks of traders (or pirates) setup so they can knock
them down. Repeatedly.

Culvern is like the guy who takes his gun and goes out hunting;
the pure PvPers are more like punters who will pay to shoot the ducks at a
fairground stall. Repeatedly.

You know what the big difference is? The hunter has to learn
to respect the prey. At the fairground you just wait for the duck to pop back
up again. It’s just a piece of tin plate.

And a last word about @NaverUWO. In his various
posts this guy has used homophobic language; he has used language with racist
overtones; he has used offensive and foul language; and he has used personal
abuse. I no longer care whether he is making a good point about PvP or not. Am
I alone in finding his behaviour distasteful

lefox271 · January 2018

Sorry about the formatting of my last post. It was on my tablet and it came out all messed up.

Rhend78 · January 2018

Gazi, I definitely agree with the lack of advertising.

I personally think when the publishers nerfed piracy with a heavy hand that had a nasty effect that most didn't recognize at that time, and a lot of people still refuse to acknowledge even now. It removed a lot of the "what could happen" from the game, it took a lot of the danger out, which was an indirect nerf to the excitement of the game.

But, lets be honest, even if they had advertised a lot, they wouldn't have got a large number of people. The game is a niche game that appeals to a relatively small portion of the MMO market, add in its very outdated graphics, and then put on top one of the worst land battle systems ever created for any MMO, ever, and it just doesn't have a lot of appeal to a LOT of people.

I mean, honestly, the land battle system seems more like something that feels like it should have came out somewhere between Oregon Trail and Ultima Online.

CaptainQC · January 2018

explain to me where is the PVP went a pirate with a LLM 50% speed buff attack a clipper. LLM has 200 more crew clipper 30 the fight last 1minute and trader has no chance to survive this is not a pvp fight. PVP fight is where 2 war ship that both player want to fight thats PVP

NaverUWO · January 2018

@lefox271

"And a last word about @NaverUWO. In his various
posts this guy has used homophobic language; he has used language with racist
overtones; he has used offensive and foul language; and he has used personal
abuse. I no longer care whether he is making a good point about PvP or not. Am
I alone in finding his behaviour distasteful"

Rhend78 · January 2018

CaptainQC, by your definition, it's only PvP when both people are on equal footing, and it's consensual, which rarely, if ever really happens in even PvP heavy games.

That's like saying, 95% of the battle in Eve aren't PvP.

Most of the battles fought in Darkfall, not PvP.

Most of the battles that were fought in Shadowbane, not PvP.

Most of the fighting going on right now in Crowfall, also not PvP....

Your idea of what constitutes PvP, and what doesn't, is absurd, and skewed.

The straight up definition of PvP: Player(s) versus player(s), better known as PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.

Nothing, EVER, in the history of the term PvP, has EVER lead to it having to be a consensual conflict. It simply has to be a conflict where 2 people are engaged in some sort of battle.

Now, by your definition, it could be consider "griefing", or "ganking", but, those are STILL forms of PvP.

VictoriasSecret · January 2018

@lefox271

"And a last word about @NaverUWO. In his various
posts this guy has used homophobic language; he has used language with racist
overtones; he has used offensive and foul language; and he has used personal
abuse. I no longer care whether he is making a good point about PvP or not. Am
I alone in finding his behaviour distasteful"

BWAAAHAHAHAAHA What's your preferred pronoun Snowflake? Do you need some time in your safespace?

lefox271 · January 2018

@NaverUWO and @VictoriasSecret

Okay guys I give up.

How could I match your responses?

Citing Donald Trump ... just ... masterful. If only I could've thought of that.

And a baby crying? It's - ooooh - such incisive wit.

Stop! Please! I surrender.

VictoriasSecret · January 2018

omg, You don't know who Triggly Puff is?! She's an internet sensation! :D

salmonrun · January 2018

As usual, MOST of the drama occurs on a forum situation like this or in-game chat. In both arenas it devolves into name-calling, blaming the game, gutter language, and personal insults. In my opinion it drives more people away from the game than anything else. Players who are interested in maritime see this crap and say No Thank You, and move on to something else. They see players acting like little children instead of fostering a community that's healthy for new players. You get what you deserve when the game can't support only a few ego-driven players who only have their own idea of "fun", which involves a thought process that leaves out those just coming into the game, where our priorities should be if we want to see game growth. They leave as quickly as they came and you only have yourself to blame. To the very few that are in the game trying to grow the community, my hat is off to you. To the rest of you, how about before thinking about alliances which fall apart with each new drama scene, we think about the players who are just now learning the game. This thread has devolved into name-calling and personal insults, the same as open world chat often does. You think this helps anything?

Rhend78 · January 2018

salmonrun, I've yet to see any MMO that has PvP where there aren't at least some people who name call, who insult, and where there isn't drama. It's a nice thought, but, it just doesn't happen. Even the more softcore games that have PvP, such as WoW, has a lot of drama and name calling, even outside of PvP.

Where there are a lot of people, with a lot of different personalities, and playstyles, there will be drama, and along with that goes name calling and insults.

To be honest, this is pretty mild compared to what I've seen in, lets see, UO, Everquest, Asherons Call, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Lineage 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Aion, Archeage, Asherons Call 2, Vanguard, DAoC, Darkfall, D&DO, Eve, FFXI and FFXIV, LotRO, PotBS, RO 1&2, Rift, Silkroad, and Tera, to name a few that I played.

CrzyPsycoChick · January 2018

@naver

S M H

First of all your statement that maritimers won't do any ideas of mine is false

1. Saul stole my battle League idea CA Alianore can confirm

2. Before he stole my idea I already had 4 of the 8 teams picked out and saying they would do it. I have screenshots of people agreeing to do it.

3. HelloAll wants to do pirate alliance I just proposed that in the forum like 4 days prior in the thread "Grand Scheme For Piracy if a trader ran it" check it yourself unless you saying you dont consider him a "real" Maritimer.

So apprarently people do and have done so in the past and present but All that is irrelevant though… The fact is this you look down on all other classes that arent maritime and any suggestion or idea that don't come from a maritime you immediately you try to snatch the credit instead of understanding that not all good ideas only come from maritime… I know SHOCKER right?! If you weren't so bias maybe you could actually do something for your class that you "allegedly" care about but heres the reality…

Reality: you're a QUITTER Naver. I know martime got screwed by the devs back on GAMA but they rolled back alot of it the devs gave us all they going to give thats a fact now instead of come up with ideas that we can do ourselves in game that can make it work or be better instead you cried and QUIT! when your class the one that you hold the in the highest regard needed you the most. You QUIT sat back and did NOTHING instead opting to wait for Koei to make traders farmable when you know koei ultra rarely makes changes and wont do it and you know It. Now when you see others taking initiative in game to do the best and ADAPT now you want to come and be a pessimist and trash talk me and helloAll and say oh its not going to work blah blah.

I also respect people who TAKE ACTION as well and the things you're doing is NOTHING and smack talking other people trying. Either you and your company pledge your support and HELP the people who at least try to save the game or you stay a QUITTER and stay out of the way of people trying to help.

You dont have to like me and I dont have to like you but you need respect we all like uwo and at least we trying Unlike YOU. Support him or STHU

Ps. Post Trump a million more time still wont cover up the fact you BAILED on your class and wont support people in Game trying to fix it. Now post another Trump vid to That

YinYangSparty · January 2018

From what I have seen so far since I have come back is that almost 90% of the maritimers that actualy cared about this game have all quit. The rest of the maritimers that are here have very little interest in pvp of any form. You can scream that all the maritimers now should be training new people but there is no reason to. This game is dead and has been dieing for a long time and no matter if you have teachers or not. The people in this game want the pvp that the game was designed to have. Just let the maritime community die

YinYangSparty · January 2018

The people in this game don't want the pvp that this game was designed to have

CrzyPsycoChick · January 2018

All I know is that when the people who care about the game do what they can to revive the class and it bounces back I BETTER NOT SEE the people who were trash talking the people trying to revitalize it saying the game is dead is hopeless etc. Coming back trying to act like they didnt say that BS. If you say its hopeless now dont come back when it bounces back… thats all im saying

HelloAll · January 2018

There is 2 types of post in the forum.

A positive when that is quickly turned negative.

And one that was negative from the beginning.

At the moment the game is a little difficult for me because as a pirates the seas are quite empty.

BUT....
The biggest negative of this game is the forum, not the terrible construction of it but the ones that poison it.

Naver, Spartan, from what I read you two are excellent maritimers..I am not. I congratulate you on your past achievements.

But this is not the way to bring improvements to a game.
You seem like spoiled children, or maybe wealthy adults that have the attitude “if I can’t have it no one can have it” or “if I’m not happy I want everyone else to be unhappy”

I’d love for you both to enjoy the game again and bring your skills and experience into the game to improve it the best you can it it’s current set up.

But the only vibe I get from you both (and some other experienced maritimers on here) is that you want to ruin the game for people.
You either want to farm them in server,
Or trash talk the game in the forums.

I feel this game would massively benefit from a positive, happy naver and spartan...
But the way you guys seem right now, it would be better off without you.

And I’m sorry Naver, no disrespect here.

I have watched some of your YouTube video’s, and I did learn a lot from them,
But you keep referring to yourself as Pro....I doubt you or anyone else ever got paid to play this game. Let’s drop the ego, remember it’s a few pixels and get out there and enjoy the game as it is and ADD to the community.

Pirate alliance

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