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P2W > F2P? Stop giving us retarded events.

K1rio5Z0loK1rio5Z0lo Posts: 52Member Beginner
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You are forcing people to quit the game.
I sarcasm for living.

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  • ShirololShirolol Posts: 80Approved Member Beginner
    Let's just hope that this is the first part of the event and they have more planned?.. Because honestly it's not even p2w, there's nothing even worth getting from these boxes for the money OR the time/effort required to get them. It's more like pay to get a slap in the face. There are SOME decent things inside this random box but after I farmed several of these boxes and literally got more meister MOVEMENT skill boxes than anything, along with 3 day dragon accessories, 5 seed of dreams and a spirit shard - it's not ok. That's all vendor trash.

    An event shouldn't require Dshop to participate in any serious manner, and that aside - the rewards should be worth what we invest at the ABSOLUTE minimum. 

    I thought the whole point of events were meant to be for giving away (or at least making it MUCH easier to get) items that are usually much harder/impossible to obtain for a short period of time.. This is like an anti-event, giving you ways to farm items that are more difficult or more expensive than normal ways. It's a complete disaster. 

    Step it up papaya.
  • ShadowAlokenLVShadowAlokenLV Posts: 200Approved Member Trainee
    Halloween event was best we had since 2007, i think i did rate on my own post 8/9 out of 10.

    Christmas even simply the worst Christmas event since 2007, pretty sure gaved 2/10 rating.

    At the moment Valentine's event is simply the worst Valentine's event, their goal clearly is to force players spend money on buffs or random boxes, completly shutting out rest of players who would love to play on other fields but yea lets see if they change something.

    When it comes about farming that mount, took me 4 days and paid Eur 0.00. And map isn't 190+, when i was catching vac hackers with my cs, i did enter at 175.
  • kelyje2nxkelyje2nx Posts: 39Approved Member Beginner
    @ShadowAlokenLV Can I ask how many seeds did you need? :^) And how long did it take you buying Crappy Arcadia protectors™ one by one?

    My friend told me it took him 18 hours to get the mount. So that would be:

    18 * 60 = 1080 minutes
    1080 / 5min = 216 "free" arcadia protectors needed
    216 * 20seeds = 4320 seeds used
    4320 / 110(average seeds per hour) = 39,27 hours

    And that is not even counting in if he needed to spend 80 seeds just to get one Super rare token.

    So you can spend 5 euro for 20 Super Arcadia protectors    ™ or farm seeds for 39,27 hours just to be able to farm another 18 hours to get the mount. :^))) Oh, and for some reason adding seed drops and mitera drops in Arcadia would have ruined the game. :^^))) Oh, and you need 250 LOVE tokens for 5 seeds. Oh, and considering one Valenshits random box™ costs 39 dkc you can expect A LOOOOOOOOT of Steamed bass and 3d Lach boxes. It is like watching Titanic but except it didn't sink after it hit the first iceberg and the captain is deliberately trying to hit as many icebergs as he can. :^^^))) Now stop wasting time in forums goys and go buy some more keys. :^^^))))))
  • kelyje2nxkelyje2nx Posts: 39Approved Member Beginner
    Oh, and fuck this cancer random ass formatting I guess we need to buy some more keys just to get the same forum functionality that people had in 1999.
  • ShadowAlokenLVShadowAlokenLV Posts: 200Approved Member Trainee
    @ kelyje2nx Clearly we can't take your calculation serious. Farming 500-555 seed of dreams took me nearly about 3h -3.3h, so in total 12-13.2h just to get all the seeds you need. But again depends on your gear set up, i went pure pve for higher dmg so pretty much fast... one skilling mobs.

    Exchanging seed of dreams to protectors don't take much time, maybe 5-10 min tops depending how fast you navigate to that crap exchange system but yea that is annoying to click one by one.

    When it comes about farming that mount basically i spent around 2h daily in Arcadia, so 8h is enough for 190+ player to farm that mount. And i know for the fact there are people who didn't farm seeds and bought that cash shop buff, they where able to farm that mount within 7-8h in first day, couple players i know have sold already 3 mount boxes. Also pretty sure [GM]Gismo did confirm that mount box also drops from mobs but i ofc i wasn't lucky on that part.

    But again maybe your friend had bad spot and below avarage gear.

    Overall people have choise, to support that idiotic Papaya plan and spend cash on those buffs or simply go out and farm it long way but clearly how fast you obtain seeds and tokens in Arcadia depends on your gear, slower you kill mobs, longer it takes to farm. So yea in my case  21h tops took to farm mount and if divide by 14 then almost 2h daily is enough to get that mount, maybe people should spend less time watching in Doomed maze/Crespo how bored wallet warrios measuring their d1cks who is better at PK. 
  • kelyje2nxkelyje2nx Posts: 39Approved Member Beginner
    I can't argue about the mount because I didn't try to farm it myself and I was only given that number of hours needed by a friend but I will argue about the seeds. To reach your number of seeds farmed per hour you probably farmed in either castle in Deadlands, you were uninterrupted, you probably had more than one character following you and you one shotted the mobs. That's quite a lot of conditions that most of the players can't clear. Especially farming in the best spots and being uninterrupted. There is nothing wrong with that but you are clearly in the 1% of the top players and most of the people won't even try to contest you. I'd say the fair estimate of one-hour seed farming for normal players would be 100~120. Also, there is always the luck factor.

    To be honest, it is not even about the mount, the thing is Paypaya went so far that we literally need to pay them to be able to farm and participate in the "event". It would still be a joke if we could buy 1-hour protection for 20 seeds because we would still be compelled to work to be even allowed to farm. But the current situation is simply surreal. Having dungeons behind a paywall was ridiculous enough but this is just mind-boggling. I just can't anymore. If stuff like this doesn't wake people up I don't know what will.

    Dekaron is bleeding players like crazy, I would love to see the player stats. I log into pservers that have 150+ online and Ardeka looks not that far off from ours and they even have a working Battle Royale. For a game this old they should be kissing our asses day in and out but instead, we get shit like this. Dekaron won't see 2019 if Papaya keeps up with stuff like this and I think they know it and they're trying to squeeze every last little drop of blood while they can and I only see the things get worse from here on out.
  • ShadowAlokenLVShadowAlokenLV Posts: 200Approved Member Trainee
    Well couple thing can disagree with you 1st about Dekaron won't see 2019. More like english version 2019 might have issues to reach that, not Korean server and others.

    And honestly for majority issues we can easy put blame on the players and community who sit behind and lets say give up.

    As players we vote with our wallets and our actions, in this case we got quite few stupid morons who will spend money on everything papaya will throw to them and won't look at numbers they invested and as for me i don't mind.. let them that's their choise and their money. Meanwhile others rather prefer to cheat and large base community don't even bother to report those trash retards.

    As for me i rather take long way and spend money on items that have long term benefits and doesn't affect PVE/PVP part much, like costumes/wing pack that are introduced like once or tops twice a year, some exp boost items. And instead  buying instant items i rather farm myself because that's how game should work, you farm it, if you have to pay for the item instead having alternative option then basically you pay for less fun. 

    Back in old days  Dekaron was all about, farming/grinding and PK all over different maps, where players hunt each other. guild where hunting in between servers on different maps, cash shop was more cosmetic and exp/drop boost based with some cash shop buffs for pvp. That part is dead and honestly can't blame Papaya or previous owners but players who support such practice "I rather pay to get item than farm it", recent update for Infinite Perpetuus is perfect example, despite farming Dragonic Perpetuus wich is way easier to farm comparing to couple years ago where from 0 it took me 9 month +/-2h daily farmining and had a lot of PK around those spots, that experience money can't buy but hey our community prefers cash shops on random luck. I would say gambler adicts we have here.

    So yea you can compete pretty much without spending cash, if you use your head and have no issues to wait while longer and buying once  a year costumes isn't really pay to win since i don't see 50-100$ money spent on any game  a pay to win, after all all games cost money, if you ok to pay 70$ for tripe A title games then for MMO it can be ok as well.

    From Papaya i would like to see all cash shop items tradable, enough with this bullcrap binded sh1t and actually more content created that put focus that players have to be active across whole different maps/dgs rather one couple NPC in Ardeca and cash shop.
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