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Pvp farming right or wrong?

HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
General Discussion
So this should be funny to see some of the replies that might come here.

Especially when Naver the narcissistic ME monster see’s this post...there will be smoke coming of his keyboard he will be typing so fast :p

What is people’s view on farming?

Not talking white names.

I’m talking blues farming reds, reds farming blues.

Personally I think it’s pathetic and cowardly.
Once the fight is won, be a gentleman and walk away.


The way I see it to farm someone is like having a real life fight and knocking someone unconscious and then repeatedly kicking him in his head as he lays there defenceless.
TwitchalotCulvernCaptainQCFerrolio

Comments

  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    I think this is an interesting question. And my thinking on it is a bit like yours - i.e. it's a question about standards of behaviour - how we ought to behave - what's right and what's wrong.

    I suspect this thread will quickly degenerate into an argument about the rules - what the rules say you can do; what the rules used to allow; and what we could do if we got them changed again. And that's a shame.

    But all those arguments just miss the point. Because even if the rules permit you to farm other players, you can still ask yourself the question, "Yeah, I know can do it, but should I?"

    Of course you could argue, it's a role playing game - and the role I want to play is a sociopathic, violent thug. You could say, "I don't get the chance to do it in real life - but I can play that role in a game".

    And let's face it, historic pirates were violent sociopaths. So 'farming' behaviour isn't unrealistic, and it could be seen as a legitimate 'role'.

    I play a lot of RPGs - including stuff like Dungeons and Dragons with friends. I reckon I'm better than most at getting into role. But I still find it harder to play the role of a sociopath! I sometimes play the role of assassin in Elder Scrolls - but I always end up as an assassin with a conscience.

    And that is the problem I think with a lot of PvP 'farming' behaviour in MMOs. Players aren't 'in role', they are just playing-out their real life behaviour. That's why we get the arguments in the forum - most people can't draw a line between playing the game and doing Real Life.

    RPGs allow you to lose your inhibitions and play roles, do things you wouldn't normally do in RL. There's another situation where that happens - it's when you get drunk. Some people when they get drunk just want to fight. Other people just get very, very happy (I'm one of those).

    I think taking away inhibitions shows how some people just have a generosity of spirit and some others are mean-spirited. Most people in RL are generous - which is why in a game like UWO most of the behaviour is cooperative and helpful. People turn the game into idealised versions of RL.

    As a community in UWO I reckon we've developed our own social norms - and generally we want everyone to have a place but we are not going to tolerate extreme sociopaths. It's nothing to do with what the rules say - it's about what the community says. The community says UWO is not (at this moment in time) a true PvP game. 

    That might be a disastrous financial prospect for the game publisher - we will see. But in a game like UWO where the community of players can shape the nature of the game I think it's always going to look a bit like RL - where people build and prosper and generally dislike violence.
    TwitchalotCulvern
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    I am a win once and let them go person.
    I find that is not the most common approach sadly.
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    I personally don't see the challenge of farming someone over and over but unfortunately there are people who do enjoy this mechanic who do pay alot of cash to do so.

    Its a catch 22 I say leave it the way it is now where farming is reserved only for pvp'ers. Dont want to take any money out of papaya pocket.
  • GrandAdmiralSimonGrandAdmiralSimon Posts: 11Member Beginner
    I think in general the farming of another player is a bad thing. However, I do think there are circumstances where it would be acceptable.
    For example:
    Someone goes trash talking and ends up insulting ones family and stuff, I would farm someone if that happened.

  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
      I don't farm when i BH, as i believe that when i sink a pirate i've proved my point that i can defeat them. however sometimes i've been in a fleet that has farmed pirates, but when you're not the admiral then you sometimes don't have a choice. Although i would have to agree with @GrandAdmiralSimon if the person has a bad attitude and/or has tried to farm me before then they deserve to be farmed. And i do keep attacking a pirate IF they runaway from me during combat without even firing a shot instead of fighting it out. So if you pirates atleast try to defend against my attack then i'll leave you alone.
    IGN: Samantha99
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    I also agree that if someone acts like an idiot then they deserve what they get.

    As regards standing and fighting, well as a pirate I judge my fights carefully. If a BH catches me and they are in a ship with pvp skills, High dura and armour and likely have a job that favours cannons, then I’m in a ship set up for speed only.. of course I will flee the battle ring, i would never win so why face up like a proud idiot when I will lose. My best chance is to flee.
    Culvern
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    I will also flee a fight if I'm in a speed built LLM vs a battle decked out victory.
    I would not expect the BH to give up at that point, he should continue to pursue me until he has successfully sunk me. At that point a honorable person would then allow one to go one their way.

    Quite often a BH asks me to "come back and fight" and I often will once I have changed ships to a battleship. Which I am often then told "no, fight me in your LLM" I just say if you want me to fight in my LLM you have to catch me in it.
    If you want me to come back, I fight on equal ground.
    HelloAllpurplepirateRhend78
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    @Culvern I still wouldn’t come back and fight in a battle ship :p as a pirate we have nothing to gain but everything to lose by fighting a BH.

    But that’s just my thoughts on the matter.

    There is nothing stopping BH using ships that are fast, but they just prefer to use ships that will easily wipe the floor with a pirate. And often they are in fleets.

    That’s why I can’t respect farming, most often BH do it in fleets and also in safe water.

    There are some noble BH out there that do it to balance the game or protect people, but there is also some cowards that want to bully without consequences.

    Also as a pirate I often repair and offer back what I take from a victim.

    I’ve never met a BH that will do that. Ironic that they get “honour” points :)
    Culvern
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    All very true
  • SirenSongSirenSong Posts: 100Member Beginner
    I am delighted to see chivalry is not dead but remains the dominion only of the courageous. I don't expect to be given any favors, but if I find any treatment less than respectable, I will treat it with the respect it earns. This game is set in an age of gallantry where even pirates conduct themselves with honor and codes. My pet peeves are the cur who hides behind the mask of anonymity, and the jackal who chooses only weak targets. The coward dies a million deaths while the hero dies just one.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @Culvern Quite often a BH asks me to "come back and fight" and I often will once I have changed ships to a battleship. If you want me to come back, I fight on equal ground.

     This i would totally agree on. As i see it, 'the harder the challenge, the greater the glory if i win' :) Although it might be hard to allow that if you meet like in the middle of the Pacific Ocean lol
    The only issue is that some pirates wouldn't give that opportunity back. Like for example i find a lot of pirates will wait in the black sea for people to come out of their BR battle and then jump them right away knowing that they will be geared down to grind skills. Usually then there's no opportunity to even ask to change cause they will attack right away. It's a 2 way street on this issue...

    @HelloAll Also as a pirate I often repair and offer back what I take from a victim.
    I’ve never met a BH that will do that. Ironic that they get “honour” points

      For me, i also would give back any items to a pirate (unless they are acting like a jerk). I don't BH for the plunder since there's nothing i could need from plunder that i couldn't get myself in game. For me it's more about the reputation that when they see my name appear on the search screen (no i never BH in private mode) they will think twice about bothering me. The intimidation factor is far more valuable than any trinket you'll ever see from plundering, also you don't have to worry about carrying tribs/flags anymore as your name becomes your protection hehe. That also works both ways as you will get to know whom are the harder to kill pirates and whom to avoid. I do however keep any money i get. As a sailor you should know not to carry large sums on you when traveling, on occasion i've nabbed well over 100m from winning a fight, but then again some times i forget to go to bank and have lost a lot of money as well so i guess it balances out :)
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Yeah. I usually keep the money as well.
    And its true many pirate and BHs look for easy picking in the black sea BRs .
    I can't grind in the black sea due to BHs that will continue to attack nonstop. And in fleets.
    I am fine with those that fleet and hunt, but the farming is classless even more so when fleeted.

    On other occasions I have ended up fleeted with BHs to do the BRs.
    I rarely attack anyone that i know is grinding, but admit to doing it sometimes.
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    Ofc it is wrong. It is unsportsmanship!
  • StehrleStehrle Posts: 3Member Beginner
    Well for me it's same as for many others here, as i'am back to piracy now and when i been BH i would not farm ppl unless they behaved rly poor towards me. When seeing duchebags like Exilio or Kosevo which only go for even weaker then they're and farm then makes me mad. Guys like these know o honor and when to stop (maybe some kind of mental issue).

    Anyways for all the BH' i'am out there and looking for good fights.
    Culvern
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @Stehrle Anyways for all the BH' i'am out there and looking for good fights.

     yay, even more honor for me! :D
    IGN: Samantha99
  • megabuffer2megabuffer2 Posts: 6Member Beginner
    there is no right or wrong here...

    i usually dont farm people i beat in open seas... but when i see someone i hate, i do...
  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    Tbh, all players even BH or white can attack same player once for one hour that should give players enough time to return to safe waters or whatever they plan to do. But they should allow to attack same player if s/he wishes to cross them again that's her/his choice.
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    BH can attack a pirate almost instantly
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