Yeah and I agree with you when you say the person who offers the most will get the ship.
What I'm saying is: the person who offers the most will always get the ship. Whether or not you've got Nanban or dungeons or whatever, the person who offers the most will always get the ship.
Which means you can take out Nanban as the cause for why the price of the boat was 1.1bn. To find the cause you've got to ask why the winner decided to offer that amount.
Without Nanban the price might have been only 1.1mil. But then you've still got to ask what caused the buyer to pay that much.
I think games like UWO are like an arms race. The cause underlying them is a kind of competition. The 1.1bn price tag is a symptom of that competition. To say Nanban causes the inflation is like saying the arms dealer causes the arms race.
Without Nanban, the price tag might be 1.1m - agreed - but without Nanban 1.1mil is as far away as 1.1bn with Nanaban. Because the price is the symptom, and the competition is the cause.
LOL - I don't know why I'm arguing for Nanban. I've done two runs - I made 140mil - and I'm still spending it!!
I don't believe that nanbaner's are the reason for the high prices either. Before EA even got opened, people were selling stuff for ridiculous prices, ships especially. It was only after EA opened that everything stabilized. I certainly don't agree with multi users. I find it funny though the ways they try to hide the multi use by using different names and having each of their alts form a different countries. But these people are so dumb though cause they dress all their characters in the same outfit and equip them all (cept for the lead ship) with the exact same ship XD . Like seriously who are you trying to fool saying that as a main character you will dress all exactly the same and be using TLG's as your main ships and each of your friends just 'happen' to be all from different countries??? So dumb and so obvious, since none of them (cept the lead ship) have any independent movement. The other day i was up in the Black sea grinding skills and a 5 multi fleet was spamming AOS, they all had different names and countries and all but the lead ship were using TLG's. If you have 2 or more ip's coming form the same household and/or are trying to hide your ip with vpn then I say you deserve to be banned! It clearly states that you cannot use more than 3 accounts PER HOUSEHOLD! As for papaya play, it would be vary easy to install a program that would automatically detect multi users trying to overuse ip's or multiple ip's at the same time. Sorry but i have no sympathy if you are breaking the rules.
I know what you are saying Lefox, but I believe HelloAll explained my point. Of course the one willing to pay more gets the ship. How is that person able to pay more? How much disposable cash does he have? If you are trying to buy something at a reasonable price but there is always someone that has 100x your cash willing to pay more..... I know people will always find a way to make more than someone else, but they should not claim that it has no affect. It does. Also if someone is selling a ship for 100b how is a single player supposed to buy that? The multibox play can hold only.
Inflation will always happen the rate at which it happens can be affected.
@Culvern well for me anyways. Unlike here, on OGP i did VERY little astro buying. This time around i've gone the pay to win route ONLY because i dont' want to spend the next year to year and a half regaining everything i need to get back to pvp playing, so i've been selling uwc stuff. However now that i have most of my stuff (ships/items) in place i will probably be spending less on average now monthly...
Multi-boxing is permitted up to 3 characters per person. In the case there are more than 3 players from the same household, please do not log on at the same time
We are neighbors. Each of us have our own ISP. I read the TOS, and there not have anything about "location". Even if there was written "location", what means "location"? Same building? Same street? Same neighborhood? Same city?
This is ridiculous! We sent ticket to GM at more than one week, and we not recieved any answer!
When we return to game, we ourselves will send a ticket to GM with screenshots and tell him to investigate our IPs. If we get banned again, we will retire this game...when was in OGP times, we NEVER faced this kind of situation. This is a great shame...
The problem is so many either break the rules or find loopholes to abuse the rules that when they see that you and your “neighbour” are playing together they probably assume it’s an abuse of a loophole, and often it probably is.
A few days ago I challenged a played called IAmJose
He was non clothed (the plain outfit if u unequip everything) and he has 4 alts following him on pursuit. They all had exactly the same clothes on.
So I said so your a multi abuser then, you will get banned soon.
He replied “no, I’m not breaking any rules”
End of the day he clearly had 5 toons going, so he found a loophole and abused it.
So if you are innocent, it’s people like him who are to blame unfortunately.
Sometimes when my internet drops out I my box connects to one of my neighbour's instead. It happens quite often, although I only notice it when I'm on my mobile or tablet. If this neighbour played UWO as well (she doesn't) then we could easily end up with multiple toons logged in at the same time.
The ip ban is flawed and stupid. In this new era, they should have deployed an AI bot to investigate the behaviour of a multi fleet before busting it.
AI can already anticipate moves in GO against human masters, and can frequently predict what one’s favourite merchandise could be. I do not see how it cannot predict multi behaviour.
For God's sake papaya, please limit fleets to 3 or raise the max number of same time log ins to 5 so people can quit writing novels about the problems of having 2 different numbers.
I know most people don't understand how simple economics work but CPC is 100% right here. More multis running the same goods will not cause prices to go up. A larger supply than is needed causes more competition to sell that supply.
Real world example. Say you have a grocery store and you're the only guy in town, you can charge whatever you want for your goods as long as you remain cheaper overall than it would be worth go to the next town over and go to a different grocery store. Now let's say a huge superstore moves in that can afford to undercut you for everything you carry. That extra supply of groceries didn't cause the prices to go up. They caused them to go down of course, which forced the local grocery store-you-to drop your prices to try to compete. The more stores that come to town to compete will cause a larger reduction in prices.
Yes you can run more characters now, but unless you're dumping those goods at the marketkeeper there's no inflation because the bazaars are forced to sell cheaper and cheaper. You guys don't recall the pepper at 200k? Is it still 200k? Look at the prices of quest items, Excalibur and Vinland was worth so much more on Gama but since people have been running their alts through the questline these items have tanked in price.
I will say the issue with multi fleets isn't being investigated correctly, not when you have certain people-not naming names-just reporting every fleet of 5 they can find. This causes GM to just pass out a ban if it happens more than once. So say you run all 3 alts and you hang out with a couple friends from your comp all the time and you get reported multiple times then the GM are just going to ban you because they can't be sure you aren't doing things that could bypass the IP system. I agree if that's going to be the case they need to just limit the max fleet number to 3.
@Grenian There is no one that has suggested that bringing in extra nanban increases prices on nanban goods. That has never been the claim at all. You traders keep trying to make that your argument.
But if every one has billions of dollars from those nanban runs it does raise the prices on other items (rare items, ships, item shop stuff). It does. No doubt at all.
That does make it much harder for a new play that is just starting out to progress when almost any decent item is so far out of their reach. Causes player loss which is bad for the server.
Its easy to just say oh it makes prices higher… prove it. We gave specific and examples of how more of an item makes prices drop. Now please provide evidence and examples of a multi sailing into Seville then it making everyone there say oh there goes a multi Id better raise my prices NEVER Happened.
Then the question I asked before if multis are causing inflation then how come the crackdown on all these multis are not making prices drop??? Theoretically it should be dropping right?
Heres the cold hard facts: people will make billions with a multi and without multis and from cash shop. WSP Plundered SSB+1 tons of times and sold for multi billions single player, I auction same thing, and old comp member of mine had no job and single nanban 14 hours a day and made literally 700mil to 1 bil a DAY single nanban then another one spammed the cash shop. So by that logic all of us are causing inflation YET we all not using multis?? Bottom line ANYONE can produce billions of ducats with or without multis THATS why prices aren't dropping and NEVER will. As long as its so easy for us all to make cash prices will never drop ban 10 multis then 100 multis guess what not one single price will drop. Yes inflation occurs when a massive influx of money enters the economy AND rapid spending occurs but its so damn easy to make money single players are putting ungodly amounts of money without even using multis it dont matter so Inflation is the inevitable focus on the real issue is the ease that we ALL make money also incentive in game to save money ie. Expensive ships and gears.
Of course people will make billions. But making 5x as much gives people 5x as much expendable cash. FACT! Once again that gives someone 5x as much money to use at one of your auctions right? They can keep RAISING the bid right? Now price on said item is higher RIGHT? Unless you put a cap on the high bid? Guess my point is PROVEN with EXAMPLES of your own auctions. Everyone is going to make money, someone will always out pace others, but stop trying to justify that actions Do Not have affects on the game, they do. Own what you do and own the affects.
The fact is when I shout WTS on merch chat I get a few pm’s and I will go with the highest bidder. If a few want the items the price rises until only one is left.
Because of the excessive tickets but AND nanban 3 fleets/5fleets now in clarmonts of course more people can afford to offer more money to get the item.
It may not inflate the original asking price but it will likely changed the actual sale price leaving many unable to compete.
I’ll prob price myself out of this game in the fufure because I can’t keep spending real cash on this game (its not worth it) and I can’t compete with the nanban runners.
As I pirate I see the same people day after day after day, constant nanban runs.
More than half I can’t catch now because they have G6 nc windjammers and then 2-4 clarmonts following packed with EA goods. These ‘professional’ nanbaners normally use blue flags anyway so there is nothing stopping them.
Personally I don’t know how they can do it, for me that’s not even a game, it’s work. But each to their own.
Not to bang on about piracy here, but I do think it’s starting to get edged out of the game a little.
i do catch some of course, but the type of piracy I like (deep sea search and chase) is becoming next to impossible with the speed of the ship traders have, and mines not slow.
But so many love to argue on here and prove others wrong, in time the game will end and it will solve all these conflicts.
Totally agree with every word. I also raise prices for what I am selling once I realize that I can ask more......we ALL do.
People can play the way they want. If they enjoy nanban then it's great for them. I don't personally see the fun in it, but that's me. I like the challenge of uncertainty that piracy and PvP offers. Other like the guarantee of doing the exact same thing over and over with the same outcome and no risk. Just not my idea of fun.
Im not justifying multis use 4 and more im saying. You blaming multis when its NOT multi use its ease of getting money.
And not your auction example falls flat because I can tell you from my auction records about 85% of the auction winners (I have their names you can ask them yourself are they multibox abusers) are NOT multibox abusers explain that. Where did they get the cash then? Hmmm? The mystical multibox fairy? Lol.
The problem is you guys dont have exorbitant amounts of money so you're committing class warfare on the people who do ASSUMING we all sit here with 10 different toons all multiboxing and thats not fair. Let CPC school you guys lol
The reason these people are rich isnt multibox abuse its efficiency plain and simple. People like Naver and alot of non traders believe trade is just nanban and repeat that is NOT trade! To Master Trade truly master it its all about EFFICIENCY thats mastery of the class what can I do to yield the most money by spending the least while mastering my time.
Helloall and culvern you're pirates cool but you and culvern in my eyes arent efficient you guys need money Right? Yet you don't nanban, dont sell in Seville, you don't craft wont hire others to make you cash and dont take advantage of the fact the game allows you two extra accounts to utilize LEGALLY… that's not the multi fault thats your fault no offense. While you are pirating use your legal alt to nanban or craft or offer SB services or collect. While you out pirating trade nothing is stopping pirates from nanbanning if you see someone attack them but make money in the dry spells. Get your aide in a Clairmont offer a comprehensive protection services id pay to be protected but nobody offers. You can offer BR completion services I offered 25 mil to have someone run me through he scoffed and said he wanted 100mil per person… his price was outrageous therefore he missed easy money he's inefficient 5 ppl is an extra 100mil per report oh well…
The money is there if you CHOOSE not to take it Legally don't blame the multi blame yourself for not being efficient.
>>All players are legally allowed 3 toons<<
If you CHOOSE not use them dont blame multi blame yourself and lack of efficiency.
This is why I feel the Ultimate player or force would be a pirate/trader the ruthlessness of a pirate and the cold efficient calculated money centric playstyle of a trader.
i need some explication here. i have make 7 nanban in 1 day i have won 1.5b in nearly 18h of play then i go sevile and resell some uwc item i won by giving the game 10$ only i have won over than 8b in 3 hour so i dont think nanban destroy the game at all since it the UWC reseller that have a lot more money in less time than any of those nanban. simple if you all want player to do less nanban just ressell the uwc item at lower price because its for those item that those nanban player making run and run every day it because they want goot UWC and CANT but money in the game.best way to stop all this is selling those UWC direcly IN UWC not only in ticket.
Yes selling UWC stuff is quick cash. If everyone did it where would the ducats come from?
@cpc you still don't understand a word of what anyone says about the multis, you are so obsessed with justifying it. No one has ever complained about someone having alts that they use for different purposes in the game such as crafting or reselling or doing adventure with. People have made the statements that those that just have nanban drones generate extra cash in the game. That is a fact. You are the one always arguing that they don't impact the game. 85% of you auction winners don't do nanban? Be serious. They most certainly do, and I would guess that almost no one does nanban alone with a single toon. I never claimed they are breaking any rules, I know they can use 3 toons, but their actions do have an impact on the economy.
I've been away for a week and this thread is still running.
I think Culvern and CPC you are both right.
If a player doesn't put any effort into making money, then they will be poor and won't be able to afford top end items in the market. If you want to buy good stuff you have to make money.
On the other hand the money making focus of many players at the moment is clearly having an impact on the game. Maritimers feel left out. HelloAll has said it is making piracy a less and less viable option.
There seems to be an issue of balance.
I think blaming Nanban is scapegoating though. I've made this point before. If it wasn't Nanban it would be something else - spice?
There are just too many players chasing too few top end goods. Good stuff is expensive at the moment because most people want it.
Maybe things will even out as the server matures. I just hope we don't lose too many Maritimes while that happens.
I dont blame anyone for trying to earn. Could I do it sure. I do t want to play the game that way though because it is not what I would enjoy. I just point out that what everyone does in the game has an impact on the community. How I choose to play affects others, I know it. Funny how so many cannot admit that about themselves.
@CulvernBe serious. They most certainly do, and I would guess that almost no one does nanban alone with a single toon.
I did back on OGP, but that was only because i was still learning the game and only had one character to use lol On this new server i haven't done any nanban as i only JUST opend up EA this past weekend but still mostly focus on my main XD
airjubx UWO Support Team:"Max 3 Characters Logged in at the Same Time from the Same Household -IP is not computer, computers from the same household sharing one modem/router has the same IP. Our system is also capable of detecting real IP and proxy IP, thus using proxy will be treated as the using same real IP" I'm banned tonight because I played with my son and was in a fleet. We own 2 modems ( modem1, modem2 ) and I can not explain them that it can be in one house 2 modems (or in a residential building of 20 modems). They say we can not be a son and I, regardless of the 2 modems, to be in the fleet. We spent a lot of time together :) They do what they want, they do not respect their own rules 1IP 3 players. We do not share the modem, we own 2.
airjubx UWO Support Team:"Max 3 Characters Logged in at the Same Time from the Same Household -IP is not computer, computers from the same household sharing one modem/router has the same IP. Our system is also capable of detecting real IP and proxy IP, thus using proxy will be treated as the using same real IP" I'm banned tonight because I played with my son and was in a fleet. We own 2 modems ( modem1, modem2 ) and I can not explain them that it can be in one house 2 modems (or in a residential building of 20 modems). They say we can not be a son and I, regardless of the 2 modems, to be in the fleet. We spent a lot of time together :) They do what they want, they do not respect their own rules 1IP 3 players. We do not share the modem, we own 2.
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Average joe bloggs isn’t going to be able to compete with that.
When you see some shouting to buy a sword or a gun for 2b I don’t imagine they have done 20 trips to afford that gun.
But also people like myself have money because I buy tickets and sell what I don’t want, and it’s probably the nanban rich that buy that stuff of me.
The game is screwed in my opinion.
Very few doing adventure
Very few doing maritime
Most people are doing constant nanban or reselling in sev.
Can’t see it lasting much longer cos it isn’t fun, and the only reason to play a game is for fun.
I certainly don't agree with multi users. I find it funny though the ways they try to hide the multi use by using different names and having each of their alts form a different countries. But these people are so dumb though cause they dress all their characters in the same outfit and equip them all (cept for the lead ship) with the exact same ship XD . Like seriously who are you trying to fool saying that as a main character you will dress all exactly the same and be using TLG's as your main ships and each of your friends just 'happen' to be all from different countries??? So dumb and so obvious, since none of them (cept the lead ship) have any independent movement. The other day i was up in the Black sea grinding skills and a 5 multi fleet was spamming AOS, they all had different names and countries and all but the lead ship were using TLG's. If you have 2 or more ip's coming form the same household and/or are trying to hide your ip with vpn then I say you deserve to be banned! It clearly states that you cannot use more than 3 accounts PER HOUSEHOLD!
As for papaya play, it would be vary easy to install a program that would automatically detect multi users trying to overuse ip's or multiple ip's at the same time. Sorry but i have no sympathy if you are breaking the rules.
Of course the one willing to pay more gets the ship. How is that person able to pay more? How much disposable cash does he have?
If you are trying to buy something at a reasonable price but there is always someone that has 100x your cash willing to pay more.....
I know people will always find a way to make more than someone else, but they should not claim that it has no affect. It does.
Also if someone is selling a ship for 100b how is a single player supposed to buy that? The multibox play can hold only.
Inflation will always happen the rate at which it happens can be affected.
A few days ago I challenged a played called IAmJose
He was non clothed (the plain outfit if u unequip everything) and he has 4 alts following him on pursuit. They all had exactly the same clothes on.
So I said so your a multi abuser then, you will get banned soon.
He replied “no, I’m not breaking any rules”
End of the day he clearly had 5 toons going, so he found a loophole and abused it.
So if you are innocent, it’s people like him who are to blame unfortunately.
Pure greed
AI can already anticipate moves in GO against human masters, and can frequently predict what one’s favourite merchandise could be. I do not see how it cannot predict multi behaviour.
But if every one has billions of dollars from those nanban runs it does raise the prices on other items (rare items, ships, item shop stuff).
It does. No doubt at all.
That does make it much harder for a new play that is just starting out to progress when almost any decent item is so far out of their reach. Causes player loss which is bad for the server.
Once again that gives someone 5x as much money to use at one of your auctions right? They can keep RAISING the bid right?
Now price on said item is higher RIGHT?
Unless you put a cap on the high bid? Guess my point is PROVEN with EXAMPLES of your own auctions.
Everyone is going to make money, someone will always out pace others, but stop trying to justify that actions Do Not have affects on the game, they do. Own what you do and own the affects.
If a few want the items the price rises until only one is left.
Because of the excessive tickets but AND nanban 3 fleets/5fleets now in clarmonts of course more people can afford to offer more money to get the item.
It may not inflate the original asking price but it will likely changed the actual sale price leaving many unable to compete.
I’ll prob price myself out of this game in the fufure because I can’t keep spending real cash on this game (its not worth it) and I can’t compete with the nanban runners.
As I pirate I see the same people day after day after day, constant nanban runs.
More than half I can’t catch now because they have G6 nc windjammers and then 2-4 clarmonts following packed with EA goods. These ‘professional’ nanbaners normally use blue flags anyway so there is nothing stopping them.
Personally I don’t know how they can do it, for me that’s not even a game, it’s work.
But each to their own.
Not to bang on about piracy here, but I do think it’s starting to get edged out of the game a little.
i do catch some of course, but the type of piracy I like (deep sea search and chase) is becoming next to impossible with the speed of the ship traders have, and mines not slow.
But so many love to argue on here and prove others wrong, in time the game will end and it will solve all these conflicts.
I also raise prices for what I am selling once I realize that I can ask more......we ALL do.
People can play the way they want. If they enjoy nanban then it's great for them.
I don't personally see the fun in it, but that's me.
I like the challenge of uncertainty that piracy and PvP offers. Other like the guarantee of doing the exact same thing over and over with the same outcome and no risk. Just not my idea of fun.
@cpc you still don't understand a word of what anyone says about the multis, you are so obsessed with justifying it.
No one has ever complained about someone having alts that they use for different purposes in the game such as crafting or reselling or doing adventure with.
People have made the statements that those that just have nanban drones generate extra cash in the game. That is a fact.
You are the one always arguing that they don't impact the game.
85% of you auction winners don't do nanban? Be serious. They most certainly do, and I would guess that almost no one does nanban alone with a single toon.
I never claimed they are breaking any rules, I know they can use 3 toons, but their actions do have an impact on the economy.
I think Culvern and CPC you are both right.
If a player doesn't put any effort into making money, then they will be poor and won't be able to afford top end items in the market. If you want to buy good stuff you have to make money.
On the other hand the money making focus of many players at the moment is clearly having an impact on the game. Maritimers feel left out. HelloAll has said it is making piracy a less and less viable option.
There seems to be an issue of balance.
I think blaming Nanban is scapegoating though. I've made this point before. If it wasn't Nanban it would be something else - spice?
There are just too many players chasing too few top end goods. Good stuff is expensive at the moment because most people want it.
Maybe things will even out as the server matures. I just hope we don't lose too many Maritimes while that happens.
Could I do it sure. I do t want to play the game that way though because it is not what I would enjoy.
I just point out that what everyone does in the game has an impact on the community.
How I choose to play affects others, I know it.
Funny how so many cannot admit that about themselves.
I did back on OGP, but that was only because i was still learning the game and only had one character to use lol
On this new server i haven't done any nanban as i only JUST opend up EA this past weekend but still mostly focus on my main XD