GMs, maritimers demand your response if you love UWO

NaverUWO · February 2018

Well, good news for you is HwangJinee (Remus) is returned to the game but from the exact same misunderstanding I had. He also thought piracy system was fixed. Those are his opinion if you need a proof.

This has been not just my opinion. I was hearing this kind of opinions countless times from our members and from other maritimers. Mostly quit after telling me since the nerf (Tierra Americana at chapter 3)

5 BE/RE experienced maritimers who returned have quit already after grind everything. I am not sure how other maritime company feels like but from the boredom of UWO current system, I am currently having fun with recruiting all over again with newbies.

Our co became trader/adventure co now because PvP is dead.

This kind of concept applies to every maritimers.

Currently it's golden period. Do not miss the chance while skill-less traders didn't print much money.

Allow multi characters for Traders and GIVE FREEDOM to pirates so that it will balance in-game economy and PvP system.

If you do not have much experience in both Trader/PvP role, I am sorry but your opinion is invalid for UWO

I've been taking this issue very seriously because it will ultimately lead server closure. (3 time is enough)

aceman39 · February 2018

You know are you going to keep beating this dead horse over and over. Things change. This is not the old UWO and you keep saying it is what you so call skill less traders. On other post it was shown traders had nothing to do with it but you keep saying it our faults. They gave pirates deck battle back and it is not enough. So you guys want everything, People quit it happens. Get over it. Stop throwing the same thing out there over and over to make a point that is moot. And you say anyone who never did trade.maritime that their point is invalid. Why because you can't get everything you want and you know it. You all want everything handed to you where the game is all about PVP and forget all the other jobs out there. I don't hear you saying it is adventures fault and they get hit also. They could have raised hell. No Naver you got a one track mind when it comes to merchants cause you can't rob them blind. Tough Get over it ok

rangerzfan · February 2018

Well atleast the EiB function is working. Keep investing in those ports and your national colony ports will never get developed.

Seriously, I do not agree with the idea of farming white names, but I do agree a 24-hr safe period is wrong. In the game, we play in two different time mechanisms - real time and game time. I think the safe period should be dropped to 15 minutes. That is 15 days of in game time. That time should apply to losses and tributes outside of lawless waters. A loss or tribute should not give a player what could be years worth of in game time safety from a pirate over the course a real life day's play. If so, then tribute prices and recipes should cost more in game. I should not be able to tribute Naver at 9:00am and run 3 nanban runs the rest of the day free and clear from Naver. That is not realistic for in game time. If it takes me on average an hour and half real time (being generous as it is likely 2 hours for many) per nanban round trip, that is 9 months of in game time I can just thumb my nose at Naver each time I sail past him in SEA/EA. There is no way that 1 tribute would buy that much safe time in real life during that time in history.

Naver, we cannot have more multis just so pirates can hunt them. I have little doubt many of those multis would be a pirate's own money train that would not be attacked. PPP is already flubbing the multi situation it seems by throwing good out with bad so no more multi rule tweaking. The problems in game right now are not just about maritime. All classes are losing population and it does not look like many new players are being retained. It is obvious to many PPP doesn't know what they are doing. I would not hold my breath on any real changes outside of the new chapter updates and the minor ones that accompany them.

CrzyPsycoChick · February 2018

@ranger

All valid points totally agree with all of them. The 24 hour rule we were complaining about since GAMA but that doesnt matter the the thing that that these cry baby MariFAKERS want is farming of whites just because they're easy targets and too scared to fight other maritimers , too incompetent and too prideful to do what would actually work...which is team up which would solve alot of the problems .

Why should I care if they dont want to adapt when they literally have the answer right in front of their face yet refuse to take it?

1. Pirate in Fleet of 5 can negate tribute use if the technique is used correctly...will they do it or practice it? No

2. Will they make choke points and monitor them as a team? No

3. Will they lock down nanban trade routes so that only they can use it and charge players for immunity? Nope

4. Will they agree that they're stronger as a unit an ally and form an alliance? Nope

5. Will they pirate in a group and not STUPIDLY pirate alone as the admiral to get dragged into Deck? Nope

6. Will they help train a new generation of maritime or take them under their wing to inspire new players? Hell no they want to farm them until they quit.

No Sympathy for players to stupid to adapt and too prideful to do an idea a trader came up with or too ignorant to say this isnt working let me try a different way and too cruel to try to train new maritime... instead I'll just sit and cry just like the traders they claim ruined the game waiting for a developer that doesnt ever push new major patches unless they wipe the game

Natural Selection Only a FOOL would keep doing the same thing despite it not working if they wont try to overcome using the 7 things I listed above then heck I say let them die out and then give rise to players that actually know how to think and adapt and overcome that will replace them. shrug

CrzyPsycoChick · February 2018

Forgot this one

7. Will they collectively pull together to turn choke point seas lawless (South Africa, Boston, EA etc) so they cant be tribed? No

purplepirate · February 2018

I'm just trying to understand what's missing here. I'm a pvp maritimer, and i know that deck and plunder have returned. But what exactly is still missing? Is it just the ability to farm whites or is there also something else that's being restricted? I would be open to all ideas, but just want to fully understand what all the points are, thx :)

HelloAll · February 2018

Well I’ve been a pirate for say 2 weeks now and it’s the only part of the game so far that keeps me playing, and I’m starting to not want to play.

So so many blue flags.

There is so much against it.

People hide in private, then you see someone in the distance, you give chase, it takes a while to catch them up, and once they come into full sight. Blue flag.

Today pirated for maybe 2.5 hours. I didn’t port camp. I started the day on 7.4k noto and finished the day on 6.6k.

That’s not down to me being noob, I was in the right places, but just meeting blue flag after blue flag. Obviously I did catch some, but not enough to warrant the time I spent.

Also there was a trader in EA that all his lvls were around 28 ish and I couldn’t attack. That’s a stupid rule. How is that near real life? He was in lawless waters completely safe, if you can venture to EA you should be plunderable.

Also with Tribs, I get it that traders should have this option. But as a pirate it’s just junk. I got like 200 tribs but I don’t even have the inventory to do anything with them.

But for me there should be no Blue flags.
Make tribs more available if anything, but at least allow pirates to get some Noto.

Papaya may have fixed some problems but they have handed out blue flags freely and also the population on the sea is so low since the wipe.

I sail all the popular spots often, the seas are pretty empty.

More people sat in sev than there is on the ocean, and i truly believe that.

I hope it improves because I’m becoming less and less interested in the game at the moment. :/

Katanauwo · February 2018

Look like pvp and piracy have rotten to the core.

What exactly is lacking here in terms of pvp is sportsmanship. Players with skill and valor have mostly left for good. Left behind are those abusers / cheaters / exploiters / p2wers.

May the trade / adventure have a bit more lifespan to go. Pvp is nearly dead.

Btw if you want to enjoy high sea pvp, try World of Warships Blitz. As an experienced maritimer in uwo, I enjoyed sea battle there so much. When i won, i felt very contented. when i lost i learnt from the skillful oppornents and did not feel frustrated. It is a game rewarding true sportsmanship.

purplepirate · February 2018

@HelloAll Today pirated for maybe 2.5 hours. I didn’t port camp. I started the day on 7.4k noto and finished the day on 6.6k.

Now if you think that's bad, try doing BH. It's easily 10+ times harder to do BH than piracy when it comes to noto/honor. Unlike piracy where you can catch up to the ships in battle with rowing/rear crits and at least engage them in combat... As a BH practically every pirate escapes from you without even firing a shot. It is MANY more times harder as a BH to keep your honor up than it is to keep your noto up doing piracy! Even though i get your stuggle to have high noto/honor it does work both ways here... So traders have blue flags, you guys have your ability to get away easier...

purplepirate · February 2018

@katanauwo Players with skill and valor have mostly left for good.

True a lot of vets did 'rage quit' after the reset,however quite a few have been returning lately. So maybe sometime in the near future pvp will grow back to an even better stage than it was at on OGP :)

Katanauwo · February 2018

I think it is unreal to expect most of vet players to return.

Maybe what you need is a pvp school like the one ran by sergent001 in the past.

There needs to be a community which name and shame those who farm or abuse. The punishment will be being excluded from esf or bc.

E.g. run a discord community group.

ZodRau · February 2018

"So so many blue flags."

Seems a sure indication that players paying for the game don't want their game play interrupted by the likes of you.

Rhend78 · February 2018

Aceman, it was NOT shown that the Traders had nothing to do with piracy nerfs.

What WAS shown is that one GM decided to LISTEN to the most vocal traders, which tend to be the biggest whiners, and nerfed piracy at their behest. He just happened to be the fool who listened to them.

Naver, please just let it go. The GM's aren't going to read this. The people who have the GM's ears are more favorable to the needs, wants, and whines of the traders than they are pirates, and wont fairly and accurately represent the maritime community or take up that fight.

And even if they do, your ideas, are, well, foolish. Allow more multi's? You don't unnerf one class, by buffing another.

But, I feel the pain of HelloAll, sooo many people either have blue flags on all the time, or pop them before you can catch them. Add in Trib's, safe waters, and ability to go private, then add in that SOOO few people actually leave Europe now, and it's getting a bit ridiculous.

I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say there are more people actively reselling in Seville at any one time than are actually outside of Europe making money/doing trades. The game has turned into a Stock Market buy/sell game. =/

HelloAll · February 2018

@purplepirate that maybe the case with honour.

But nobody’s says that BH can’t use fast ships either, they just often choose not to.

Also pirate is more a way of life which I’m sure you know. If I pirate isn’t having much luck it’s not like he can easily decide to head back to Europe to do some quests.
There is limitations and of course no where is safe.

a BH can be a much more of a casual player, go about life as normal, do some adventure, some trade and then do some hunting.

Also pirates can’t hide on search and activity is shown in mari guild.

So the only limitations on BH is what they place on themselves. And let’s be honest most aren’t actually BH, they get their name in blue and then stand in Seville with a red or blue glow feeling superior to others.

The only time I’ve had to deal with BH is the ones port camping me in safe waters.

But the point is all a pirate has to achieve is noto cos as we all know we ain’t gonna become rich in this avenue of the game.

purplepirate · February 2018

well this is why we need to rebuild the pvp community. Those running this game aren't going to listen to a few people lobbying for a rule change, but they will listen to 100+ people saying that this needs to change. The server is to young to make any major changes right now. Give it time, let's build up pvp again and then maybe maritimers will have a voice to make change.
But on that topic of not being able to 'farm' whites....and i'm only asking this because i've never tried piracy but am curious about it... Couldn't you just work in tandem with other pirates having one attack then wait and when the next pirate moves in to do a follow up attack not just join him with RR? If you can this would bypass the 24 hour rule and force pirates to work together rather than just on their own.

HelloAll · February 2018

@purplepirate I assumed you had pirated considering your name.

As regards the hitting the same player, we have done this once or twice. Dispand the fleet just before hitting and then can hit more than once.
We only did this to a guy who trolled tho because I don’t believe in farming.

The problem is the green flag. Last for about 5 mins, which feels like a lifetime when following someone. It’s also a little awkward.. xD

CrzyPsycoChick · February 2018

Are we really complaining people are using BLUE FLAG now?!

Seriously guys? Blue flags really? And people get mad when I say they NEVER Satisfied and refuse to adapt

Blue flag has existed since the beginning of this game and is one of the main sources of income for the server and now you guys want to take that away really?!

Really guys im sorry to every one watching this forum you Pirates are literally looking like the biggest whiners at this point. YOU GUYS NEED TO STEP IT UP! When you're actually starting to consider STEALING money from Papaya its time to really start looking at yourselves as the problem

Lastly at Rhend I know traders cried but you not mentioning Coolwind the Maritimer and his MAJOR role in nerfing maritime on OGP im seeing it as an attempt to deceive by only acknowledging traders role but completely overlooking Coolwind role in it. TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH PLEASE.

Would it hurt to just be honest I mean damn maritimers seriously? Blue flags next what else do you need safe water waters rolled back too or how about we remove green flag too while you at it.

HelloAll · February 2018

CPC

Blue flags may have been around since the beginning but with the amount of free ones that have flooded the server and also the free uwc that has been given out I’d say 80% of those I meet at sea I can’t attack.

So you tell me to adapt, well the only way I can adapt to that is to sit at port and wait for people to leave nelly style.

That’s not my style, not what I find fun, not what i believe is right.

I’m not here calling for changes, I’m sharing my experience of the game so far and also saying why I may not stay with the game much longer.

I don’t enjoy the things you do, we all have different taste and find different things fun.
I didn’t challenge you when you was upset you couldn’t hold auctions, so please allow me to share my feelings about my choice of role and the challenges that come with it.

HelloAll · February 2018

Also to add to that. I say 80% i meet are probably blue flagged but to give and idea I’d say in 4 hours play I’ll probably meet 4/5 I can engage. So averaging 1 and hour, which condisering I sail mostly and don’t do much near port, it’s just not what I wanted from the game, so maybe this game isn’t for me.

And as regards being a whining pirate, it’s not that I’m greedy. If your reading this now and you was pirated by someone who gave you your stuff back and it wasn’t Culvern, then it was probably me.

Rhend78 · February 2018

Honestly CPC, until you become a Pirate, or even a maritimer, I'm not sure you really have a leg to stand on when criticizing what is killing the PvP in this game.

Hell, try leaving Seville or Europe for a change and go see the state of the world/game now. =P

The point isn't just the blue flag, the point is that Traders have Blue Flags, Tribs, Safe Waters, Private Status and the ability to log out when being chased, and a 24 hour protection when they do get hit that one time and use a trib.

Honestly, I could give a damn about deck battle, or even pillage. It's that the probably 2 dozen fleets outside of Europe at any given time have a ton of ways to avoid fighting. The system has been heavily rigged against piracy.

Players risk a lot when they go pirate, but the way the game has been made by some incredibly whiney people the risk almost everything, and get almost nothing in return. It should be high risk, high reward. Not high risk, almost no reward. But, that's what some traders have made the game....

We're now very, very close to being Hello Kitty Online.

YinYangSparty · February 2018

Traders can print unlimited money into the game, the only thing stoping that is piracy. When piracy got nerfed plus all the people buying blue flags it ruined the econmy. Why? Because people could print money. What is the one reason why any new person now will not play the game? Because everything is so damn expensive! Why? Because piracy got nerfed. Want to fix the game? Then reinstate what piracy was before the nerf so that pirates can balance the game like it was supposed to be in the original design of the game.

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YinYangSparty · February 2018

And that does include making white names farmable, no 24 hour restriction. it is the only nerf that affects everything in the game

Culvern · February 2018

I have never wanted to farm anyone.
The comment earlier about 'pirates got deck battle back' is useless. It cannot be used on a white. It actually helps the white defend against a pirate.

Years ago the blue flags were not an issue because the population was SO MUCH higher, not many had a flag percentagewise. Now if you can find anyone actually sailing, which is rare, they are flagged.

Yep pirates got plunder back, I like that.
Let's get rid of the 24 hour rule and all would be good.

Any trader that loses more then a tribute is a fool as it is.
Blue flags, tribs, 24hrs, safe waters, deck, green flags, imp holds all help traders.

And tribs are worthless. WORTHLESS to a pirate.
We get nothing good to use and nothing we can sell. Yeah yeah there are a few trinkets from them, but nothing worth much at all. How about giving good items that we could use or sell? That would help everyone in the game.

@cpc. Your idea of this complex pirate mafia sounds great but to much trouble to maintain.
Not a high enough population anymore to make it a reality. At best you could cobble together 2-3 pirates to fleet occasionally and that's about it.
Seville looks so busy but in reality no one is on the seas, WAY less than the end of gama.

As HelloAll said, I to am getting bored of the game lately. I had very high hopes for the restart but they are gone. I am afraid the game will be soon too.

Rhend78 · February 2018

Honestly, if they would remove the 24 hour timer, and make it an hour (that's enough time for almost everyone to get to any other place in the world) that would be a big help.

I don't want to farm anyone, that's no fun. But, being able to hit someone (if you see them again) each time you catch them out doing nanban after they already went to Europe and sold, and then came back for more, that's not unreasonable. Enough time to move around the entire world? Yeah, that's reasonable. Enough time for the person to do nanban 12+ times? That's overkill.

HelloAll · February 2018

Also to comment on the blue flags being a main source of income since day 1 of the game as cpc said.
On gama i was a trader caster mainly until i started to make a pirate a few weeks before the wipe.

With me trader I would spice trader and then eventually nanban often. There was tons of people on the sea trading I passed so many.... and pretty much NEVER saw a blue flag. So it could not of been a big source of income.

I think the only thing that has changed is that papaya love to give free ones out!
And also the the tickets have had lots of decent trade ship so those full time traders will defo have the ships they need by now so any free uwc they get monthly can be spent on flags.

Papaya fixed some parts of piracy and then all but eliminated it with the blue flags.

And I mentioned the tribs earlier and Culvern made a point on it.

So far all I’ve got from it is pirate gear, that you need noto for. Noto which you need hits for. And not just that as Culvern said you can’t sell it, any pirate that has the noto to use it is already a pirate will will already have tribs of his own to hand in.

It’s so broken it’s a joke.

I’m not being doom and gloom. I’m not naver, I don’t want to farm and bully, but I think soon most maritimers will quit.

Pirates get no joy from pirating, so they quit, then no BH.

The only thing to grind Mari for is BC and ESF, I didn’t do BC cos didn’t have the ship for it but it seems most didn’t enjoy it.

So it seems it will be a world of traders and adventures soon.

And probably buy now most have decent ships that don’t need replacing, so ticket purchase will be low to non existent.

Such a shame.

The biggest problem I see is one that papaya created themselves. People left after the wipe.

calicaddy46 · February 2018

How often do you run into the same player you attacked within 24 hours? I'm just curious, I never pirated so I wouldn't know.

HelloAll · February 2018

@calicaddy46 yesterday I chased 3 people about 3 or 4 times that I had already attacked.

The problem is you can’t always see the name you just see a ship quickly pass so you have to chase just in case.

And you can’t rely on search to determine who it is because the one that passed could be on private.

If the timer was 1 hour I would of had 3/4 more hits yesterday which almost doubles my tally and would of improved my noto and lowered it overall.

Culvern · February 2018

To be honest Cali, I see the same few traders making the same trips and taking the same route over and over.

HelloAll · February 2018

Rather than lower it overall*

YinYangSparty · February 2018

I only came back to uwo specifically for Battle campaign and 5vs5 mock battles. It is sad to see that all the maritimers that I knew would have grinded to where they needed to be in 3 months all quit. I was a lazy grinder and I still managed to get the skills/ships neccasery for BC and I placed 3rd on the leaderboard. If there were more maritimers I wouldn't be as succesfull I don't think. But why should I put any more effort into this game when there is not going to be a reward. Instead we get people like cpc telling us to adapt to the game. No the game has run its course of adapting to the whims of care bears and now the game is dead! It is time for the game to go back to its original design with papaya advertiseing the game. If Papaya/Koei cant see that this server is dead/dieing then they have been blind. I called it 4 years ago that this game will die a long death because the one system that made the game fun and balanced was screwed and eventualy every active player moved on. I had hope that this reset would have fixed things but it only revealed how lazy and inept the playerbase is currently. 3 months of exp/prof and they all burned themselves out over a dead game.

Katanauwo · February 2018

You are wrong @YingYangSparty.

I predicted the game would die in six month if nothing is to be done, not three. Why? Because it takes six months to become hopeless.

Still 3 more months to go. Eyes on new patch. They’d better roll out those super ships, such as special dragon c3 with 1700+ dura and 300 crew. That will ignite a last round shopping frenzy before an offical thank you GG.

GMs, maritimers demand your response if you love UWO

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