This game is very expensive for playing

Radekp · February 2018

I played several online games and any of them wasn't so expensive for playing as this one. All "free" online games sells something for alleviating of playing but it was mostly some very extra things which player don't have to buy and despite of this he can play really free for ages. For example in game Neverwinter Nights Online. But here we must buy really basic things to be able to play somehow and it is not good. I mean for example SSIP and MST things. While in the past I had to use max 9 SSIP for higher round now it is already 10 SSIP for a round. And it is really too much. So when I needed to improve my poor Trading Large Galleon at fifth round I had to buy 10 SSIP for 210 UWC or if I buy them from people I would have to pay 120 - 150M for these 10 pieces. And it is really to much for one round of the not much good ship. If this Galleon can have 7 improvements I would have to pay for all SSIP 612 - 765M only for them for one quite low grade ship. And where are the prices for parts and Grading? They are yet much higher. When papaya is hurling all the time new and new NC ships in your Captain's tickets so there is very big disproportion between all of this.

So I think prices of SSIP should be reduced for about 50%.

Another things are prices of MTTs and especially MSTs. They cost both the same price - 5 pieces for 105 UWC. Consumption of MSTs is very high in any fight and making them is very problematical and it is possible only at one farm and this farm must be highly developed. So just now I must pay and pay for MSTs uselessly a lot of money. For that reason I think prices at least of MSTs should be reduced at least by 50% again. There is a lot of another financial discrepancies but these two trouble me the most just now.

Globally, when I play this game it seems to me as I would play two different games. One is for game money which are as small change and the other is game of NC things for billions. And it isn't good at all. There is very big gap between those two type of prices. And rewards for anything in game are ridicularly so low that people aren't too much motivated to do anything (trading, gold mining, dungeons, rewards for special mission and so on).

I hope some papaya people will read it and ponder about all of it.

fields1234 · February 2018

To be fair you even said it yourself that you are improving a ship thats not worth improving. I agree some aspects are sometimes hard to work around, but there are also things like ship improvements that simply you don't need to really do till end game.

MSTs will be more avalible as the game goes along, I understand the frustrations though but I'm sure they will soon flood again.

Asking papaya to reduce prices I don't think is needed at the moment for SSIPs or MSTs to be fair I would rather see ships added to the list so I can gurantee one if I do wish to spend real money on one. I have never liked the cap tickets but it is what it is.

I think we are also lucky that the game allows us to trader items ingame from the shop, there are many games that simply block you from doing so.

The player economy I agree does need some kind of fix, I understand there are a few ships knocking around for 10b mark at moment and probably even more but again I think it's great we are allowed to trade unwanted/out grown items to other players.
I would perhaps argue that maybe there needs to be more chance of wining a ship and less junk items if we are to continue down the captains tickets routes however.

CaptainQC · February 2018

i agree for the SSIP^but nor for the MTT and the MST since they are easy to find in game just grind some skilll or use compagny i get 10 MST free each month wen i go Nagasaki because of my comp

HelloAll · February 2018

I don’t think we should need ssips all. It should just cost ducats.

They bleed you dry and this game.

I’d love to play about and build some fs ships and use fs parts but it’s isnt worth the ssips.

Culvern · February 2018

And the fact that ssips are not obtainable in-game and must be bought via the item shop has us all by the balls.
I like the idea of no ssips and ducats instead.

Radekp · February 2018

I thank you papaya people they allowed to publish this my post. I was afraid they will forbid it.

crazyhunter2003 · February 2018

there has to be some things sold in cash shop that are A.)not availlible ingame and B.)needed to acquire certain goals.Otherwise nobody would buy anything from cash shop and that would end the server.

SSIPs are an item that guarantees cash flow into the host so the server survives.

take our those type of items and you surely doom the server

salmonrun · February 2018

SSIPs and almost all cash shop items are trade-able in game. Just imagine if all this stuff was un-trade-able and the only things trade-able were things gotten in-game. Then it would really be a nightmare. At least this helps to balance the economy a little. I said it before and I'll say it again..Greedy multi- traders with alts in fleets of 5 cause the inflation and screw up the economy.

carlalex · February 2018

High end mods on heavy ships have ALWAYS cost 10 SSIP.

The rate is 3 3 6 9 10 10 10 10 10 10......

purplepirate · February 2018

@Radekp the point about ssip's is true that they can't be gotten in game, however you should not be using them on stock ships like TLG's. Back on OGP, ssip's used to sell between 20-25m each so they are actually cheaper now than they were back then. But even so, there's lots of people that sell them in game so they are pretty much always available, but still you shouldn't be investing ssips on ships that are only temporary for use. On some of the asian servers you can get them in game from plundering certain fleets which i think they should also have here.
The point of mst/mtts is wrong and opinionated. mst/mtts are VERY easy to gain in game from dungeon running/ archive map farming. MST's are easily made at your farm (there 2 farm locations that make them) so i totally disagree that any price change should be made there. You actually have to play this game if you want to save money on uwc buying, not restrict yourself to just one task, just completing some quests and memorial album sections will earn you in game items that sell in the billions. With the exception of ssip's there's really nothing in the uwc shop that is a NECESSITY to play the game that couldn't be gotten in game.
And yes in EVERY game there will be a gap between the 'pay 2 win' players and the non ones it's not just this game. For every problem there is a solution if you are a 'creative' person, you should really review info sites like ivyro (eventhough it's out of date), talk to people for info and/or make forum posts with questions like how to get certain items ingame. As for getting uwc items in game without paying real world cash, well you just have to do what everyone else does 'Save your ducets up' lol.
You really waste your time and look foolish though pointing your finger at a company (papaya) when it's not even their game. Why would papya tamper with code on a program that they've only even had for less than 4months? Especially considering they have 5 other games that they have to look after, how much staffing so you thing this company has? Be more realisic here! This is a Koei game and are the ones responsible for content like the ssip issue (they can be gotten in game on other servers). You people need to stop blaming papaya for every little issue in this game.
As for rewards in the game, maybe you're looking for the wrong rewards? You need to learn what items are more valuable and be looking to farm them instead. Like i said mtt/mst can both be found as drops in some dungeons as are other valuables like po's, ores, valuable accessory items etc, you can easily make over 100m/hour doing dungeons if you do them right and you don't need to spent a cent on uwc! Even parts for SB can pretty much all be made in game with the proper crafting skills.

Radekp · February 2018

Purplepirate I really can't agree with what you wrote here. I play many years this game so I know something about it already. I am tired to oppose you in details what you wrote here because anybody can have its own opinion. If you wrote don't use SSIP at TGL because it isn't worthy so this way you profaned all shipbulding in this game and all ships which can be made here because you undirectly said that only NC ships are good and worthy of improving in this game and it is bad and it isn't true.

I never said SSIP should be removed from this game. In the past needed SSIP was 3, 3, 6, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, and now 3, 3, 6, 9 , 10 , 10 , 10, 10. Why? Wasn't it sufficient? If KOEI is responsible for prices so Papaya should consult these prices with KOEI.

There is a lot of people who aren't from United States for whom is dollar very strong currency.So it is incompareble when US player pay 10 - 20 USD with players from Central or East Europe, Asia or any other areas in this world. And I think these players even prevailing. For all these people from many different countries 10 - 20 dollars means much more than for guys from US. And I think this is quite neglected and ignored in this game. When I wouldn't play this game I could buy every month new game for about 60 dollars. So don't advertise that this game is free because it is free but only theoretically.

I could proceed with many issues further but it would be probably in vain.

So should we proceed with playing and investing our time and money here further? I am afraid Papaya could say after some time we are finishing with UWO and game will be transfer again somewhere as OG Planet did. You can't imagine how much time and money we lost through this unsuccessful transfer of our toons here after years of playing UWO of this game. So a little humbleness wouldn't be bad toward players. I like this game but I like another games too. Maybe Papaya should thorougly control their expenses in order we could play this game here for many years yet without afraid once SSIP will cost even more than today in order providers of this game could economically survive.

CaptainQC · February 2018

first why you need a TLG 5/5 its totaly uselesss this is a cargo ship only after 2 or 3 imp the hip shoult be good enough. I am playing this game since netmarble and all heavy ship are always 3,3,6,9,10,10,10 it has been always like this since now 7 years so why you say it was 9 it can be 9 on medium ship not on heavy.

HelloAll · February 2018

Loud noises

Watchkeeper · February 2018

All pish and nonsense.

I have played the game for some years and have never felt the need to pay hard cash for anything. I spend time rather than money and as this is a "journey" type game rather than an "end game" type game that seems fair.

Just slow down and ask yourself do you need a TLG (or other mid level ship) to be modded to the max?

It is very generous of the game hosts to allow people to play game at little or no cost. You spend money at your own discretion.

Culvern · February 2018

I buy stuff from the cash shop. I feel no ill-will towards papaya when I do. The game needs to make money to be supported.
Anything can be bought in-game with ducats so those that can't afford to pay can still play at the same level they just need to earn the stuff in-game.
I am lazy and lack the time and patience to earn may way for free, and indeed the cash I spend is justified with the amount of time I do spend enjoying the game.

purplepirate · February 2018

i'm Canadian so when i buy uwc our dollar is only at .80c to the american dollar. so if i send say $1000 over the course of the past 4 months that works out to $1200 canadian not including any other fees and/or taxes. Not sure why you assumed myself or anyone else here is also from the US. But fact is the papaya is based in the US so ALL of us (non americans) have to deal with exchange rates. As for the topic of the TLG, it's really your choice as to weather or not you want to bring it to full mods. But if you do choose to mod fully that is YOUR choice and really shouldn't be complaining about the cost of uwc items like ssip's.

Culvern · February 2018

Canada, the 51st state.
:)

crazyhunter2003 · February 2018

52nd. Puerto Rico is 51st. lol

Twitchalot · February 2018

With Netmarble SSIP weren't tradeable, so, just be glad they are now.

This game is very expensive for playing

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