Ticket rewards

FleabagNO1FleabagNO1 Posts: 14Member Beginner
edited March 2018 General Discussion
We got wiped, founder uwc just will be given if you are nearly around all day (whats illusiory when u have to work ) and if u buy tickets from founder uwc you just get 10 stupid wines for 1 ticket worth 220 uwc !
Not only 1 x ..but multiple happened.. other ticket (220 uwc) gave 2 grails ..for aides..

NOT commenting that politics .... i guess players are intelligent enough to think ....

I have seen people who B O U G T H   90 tickets .... with just crap rewards , NOT a single ship ... 

As we can read in announcements ... WE have NO RIGHT on decent rewards ! 

WE CAN WIN ..some stuff ..just lotterie like ..  gamble like .... 

Got the feeling our chances in Nevada are higher than in this game....
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  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    I did ok for ships at first, never got the top ships in the ticket but I got some. My luck hasn’t been so good lately. Probably not seen a ship in my last 70 tickets. Got that 100 attack gun tho.

    I got the snake wine and navy hat box in my last tickets, bit of a joke really but nobody forced me to buy any.

    I suggest use you founder uwc for the shop and not tickets. Get skill notes or prof boost or something.
    Culvern
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @FleabagNO1 tickets from founder uwc you just get 10 stupid wines for 1 ticket worth 220 uwc !
    Not only 1 x ..but multiple happened.. other ticket (220 uwc) gave 2 grails ..for aides..

      Well, there's your problem right there. Why would you only buy 1 ticket at a time for a more expensive price instead of a large batch for cheaper? It never ceases to amaze me when people buy 1 ticket and expect to get the top prize then complain about the fact that they didn't. I think you missed the whole concept of 'gambling' here.

    I have seen people who B O U G T H   90 tickets .... with just crap rewards , NOT a single ship ...

      Yes, and i've also seen people whom only bought 10 tickets and got all top end items and ships, what's your point? That's why it's called GAMBLING! You mention Nevada, but do you realize that all gambling systems are designed for you to loose more than to win. If everyone won top prizes all the time then the company would go out of business.


    IGN: Samantha99
  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    captains tickets=lottery

    May the winds blow you well
  • FerrolioFerrolio Posts: 68Member Beginner
    It's also important to keep in mind that people are more likely to be vocal about it when they have a negative experience with tickets. Those people who got fortunate don't tend to promulgate that they did. Instead they're busy selling or using the things they did get.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    ya, but we can't all be winners. Personally, i don't like to gamble. I find it much easier and less stressful to just buy exactly what i want in game from buying form other people. You might think it's more expensive that way but it's not. Ducetts are easy to make in game so paying alittle more with in game cash instead of real world cash is actually far cheaper.
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    I also have had better luck earlier in the relaunch than I have had lately, not sure if it just luck of the draw or if the odds were changed.

    It is gambling. Pretty sure we would all be buying lottery tickets if we were guaranteed to win the jackpot everytime.

    I barely bought any tickets the last few times and did as purplepirate said and just bought whatbi wanted with ducats.

    Side note: damn! Was really hoping for an LLM this ticket....
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    @Culvern me too pal. You’d think by now they would put a fast pirate ship in.

    I tempted with this ticket for the custom Otto galleas.

    But too many times now I have seen a new ship in a ticket and I’ve spent a lot to get it then 2 or 3 tickets later and advanced and then superior version has been released.

    At least for me papaya have shot themselves in the foot with that because I’d rather wait for the better version now.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @Culvern Side note: damn! Was really hoping for an LLM this ticket....

    as nice as COG is, i'm waiting for SNG :)
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    I played around on uwotool trying to get the COG to turn out the way I would want it (mac most things) and even using the best parts available on uwotool I could not so it.

    I'm with you @HelloAll on the waiting.
    I have done the same with a few ships already and by the time I am done modding them I already want a new ship.

    I've waited this long.......
  • FleabagNO1FleabagNO1 Posts: 14Member Beginner
    Well seems you all agree PP definitley change the game to a gamble / lottery !
    But without the warning and precaution of warning what has to be done for lottery and gambling!
    Some of you ask to buy stacks of tickets .. DO U really understand what U do to young players? Players immature to control real money ?
    This game definitely is highly addictive..and the way its NOW handled might lead to real trouble for some players. 
    What i want is to think ! Ruqun from shop is approx 2500 uwc = ~ 20usd real.. some need that money to feed their kids ...Be a bit more thoughtful and dont request so thoughtless to spend money if u see no chance to get something for it
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Gambling addiction can be a real problem. This game can also be addictive as you claim. But I don't believe it is the responsibility of papaya or the players to make sure that no one cannot control themselves.

    Biggest problem the world faces is lack of personal responsibility for their own actions.
    It's not Koei's, papaya' s, or anyone posting here's fault if someone blows their money uncontrollably. Its that person alone fault.

    ALL items in the tickets are available to everyone with ducats. And not a cent of real money has to be spent to get anything you want in the game. All you have to do is shout in Seville.
  • carlalexcarlalex Posts: 187Member Trainee
    Yes lootboxes suck.

    Captains tickets are our lootboxes.

    The businessmodel is beeing increasingly scrutinized by authorities (gambling or otherwise) all over the world and the game industrys claim that its not gambling is unlikely to hold - many parents are really angry over what they perceive as gambling beeing marketed to their children and I dont think letting children gamble is legal in many places.

    And stating that the addicted should be held responsible is really really evil - addicted people cannot just say no and noone can be held responsible beyond ones ability - thats just cruel.
  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    So you're saying we should all be prevented from gambling if some people are addicted to it and can't quit? How about if we just ban the accounts of those people who have gambling addictions. And if you don't believe in being responsible for your own actions then you can be the first to go.
    May the winds blow you well
  • carlalexcarlalex Posts: 187Member Trainee
    Please stuff your straw man arguments were the sun dont shine.

    I have no issues with gambling as long as its regulated as such.

    This means that its ILLEGAL to let children take part. This means only VERIFIED adults can take part.

    This means the odds/probabilities MUST be public. So the chance of any ticket drop must be published.

    This means authorities have to do audits to make sure the gambling provider doesnt cheat.

    If you belive people should be held responsible for involuntary actions you are off course free to believe that and express that view - freedom of expression includes the freedom to express repulsive views. Unlike you I dont ask people I disagree with to leave,

    I really think the writing on this issue is on the wall for the gaming industry - most gamers hate loot boxes and governments are going to step in against it. Dont underestimate the voting power of angry parents.

    How anyone beside the game industry can view loot boxes as a good thing eludes me.
    WesDoobnerCulvernFleabagNO1
  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    I’ve not looked but I’m sure somewhere before we can actually buy uwc there will be a small print that says we must be over a certain age in order to purchase uwc. They will have covered themselves.

    Kids do not always act responsibly, which is why the parents should make themselves aware of what the kids are up to and supervise them.

    Also in order to buy uwc you need bank details. So only a reckless parent will allow a child to have access to them.

    And if he does it behind the parents back, well he/she is a naughty little boy/girl and needs to be disciplined :)
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @FleebagNO1 What i want is to think ! Ruqun from shop is approx 2500 uwc = ~ 20usd
    real.. some need that money to feed their kids ...Be a bit more
    thoughtful and dont request so thoughtless to spend money if u see no
    chance to get something for it

    You can't exactly pay with cash to get uwc you need a credit card, and you need to be 18 to get one (they don't exactly just had those out to anyone). And if kids are using their parent's credit card unrestricted to get uwc than is just bad parenting not bad kids. Ya some do need $20 to feed their kids but those people don't have credit cards to be spending money for online games, and if they are that poor they probably don't have internet to even get online to play games anyways so your statement is mute. If you are so concerned about homeless and hungry people then maybe you should be spending YOUR time and/or money out there helping them instead of playing online games and wasting time on a message board preaching to others on how they should be spending 'their' hard earned monies...
    hypocrite...
    Culvern
    IGN: Samantha99
  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    @caralex If you don't like the site, then leave, your tough internet guy act doesn't impress me. Everybody is free to buy tickets or not as they choose, we don't need a volunteer gambling monitor to let us know the details of what may or may not be ok in certain areas.

    @HelloAll - I'm sure the fine print does cover it, since most sites probably think of elementary issues such as that during the planning stages. They could't get a business loan to begin with if they don't have a comprehensive plan to cover contingencies. And of course parents should keep their kids from getting credit card data and using it online. These seem to be the  kind of things that most people would know naturally and not need to have it explained to them, but I digress. See you on the sea!
    CulvernHuseyinGazi
    May the winds blow you well
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    @caralex it's not evil to hold someone accountable for their actions. It's proper and actually helpful to those that are addicted. Not holding them accountable enables them to continue down that path.
    Addiction is not a disease. It is not caught or transmitted. It is a CHOICE. And telling someone that they are to weak to change or that it's not their fault, does not help them start making the right choices.

    I would honestly like to know the percentage of players that are under 18. I am guess it's not that many. Not the type of game thatvwould appeal to the younger crowd I do believe.

    Sure I would love to know the odds on the tickets, but how many in a casino have asked for the odds on the slot machine before playing?

    This thread is a weakly veiled attempt at disguising your unhappiness that you did not get rich quick with the tickets you purchased.
  • carlalexcarlalex Posts: 187Member Trainee
    What makes you think you need a credit card to purchase UWC ?

    Papaya uses Xsolla as payment provider and they accept lots of payment methods - many that are available to children.

    If UWO isnt for children then why all the silly censoring in the game ?

    And no - noone choses to become addicted - it IS a disease. Dont you accept mental disorders as diseases ?

    It wouldnt surprise me if the casino had the slots odds posted somewhere and it would surprise me if they wouldnt provide the info if asked.

    And I have so far not purchased any captains tickets. Gambling doesnt really apeal to me - espcially not when the odds are secret - its a bit like playng craps with dice you know the casino have loaded.

    Why are you so hell bent on defending the lootbox business model ?

    BTW - In China tehy are required by law to publish the drop rates of loot boxes.
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    I don't see anyone as defending the 'loot boxes'. I do however see you attacking something that is completely volunteeriery.

    I agree that most casino would offer up the odds on their machines if asked. How many have asked before playing?

    I do not see addiction as a disease at all. It is a series of bad choices.
    Mental disorders can be a physical imbalance in how the brain processes input but not all.
    Addiction (to gambling) is the brain enjoying the high it gets from certain endorphins that are released while doing gambling activity. Same as everyone has while doing enjoyable activities. Addicts to gambling just don't have the self control to handle it. It's a decision.

    People all over the world play lotteries where the odds of winning are truly insane, yet they still exist and are very popular.

    And once again I will ask what percentage of the server is children? Is papaya responsible for raising the children that play their game? Or should the parents have a small role in that?

    All I am saying is let people be responsible for themselves. If they can't handle it that's not papaya , Koei, the players, your or my fault.
    If they are adult it's their own fault. If they are children then it's the parents that take the blame.
    HuseyinGazi
  • HuseyinGaziHuseyinGazi Posts: 158Member Trainee
    I've been complaining in the past when we were in GAMA, how bad the bottle drop rates were. The amount of attempts I made total barely give me ships even after the 50th tries, however last year I had my best luck by winning a Modified Large Atakebune which paid off all my cost I made. :-)

    To me it all boils down on luck and people aren't obligated to gamble and doing it at their own choice. You've about nearly 20 different items with different drop ratio so of course in these particular roulette you can be unlucky for not getting a ship... it's like with fusion or transmutation. If I hear players asking me question how to spend UWC wisely, buy a monthly package instead. These kind of gamble is meant for those who spends a bulk (not me, my spend monthly is average 50 euro).

    Now to the captain ticket, to me the drops aren't in generally that bad if you compare to the sailor bottle of OGP. Even though I admit there are few undervalued consumable items I rather wish they avoid due the cost ratio. I do remember a special equipment was added which you could get for less than 100k in East Asia Shipyard haha... 

    In overall in my opinion is Papaya doing it better with the Captain tickets for the following reasons:
    1) It doesn't contain game-obtainable as much as sailor's bottle did in OGP, especially rare items like Secrets of Shipbuilding, military paneling etc. has been avoided which satisfy rare item plunderers. 
    2) The drops are in generally more valuable than it was in OGP sailors bottle, at least NO 10m cheque's, LCCT or any worse junk in there which I hated so much. Although I admit while OGP made bottle way too underrated, the drops of Captain Tickets are sometimes rather extreme to me like Superior Ships, OP gears and ship parts.
    3) The lottery is TRADE-ABLE this time, meaning this is not longer limited for spenders. If you've good in making ducats in-game, why not buy them from other players instead? You don't need to be rich irl to get these in your hands as long  as you play smart in this game. It's thanks to that I won my Superior High Clipper! :-)

    This is all I wish to add and in case I see anything wrong in the captain tickets, I am willing to feedback the GM's regarding this. However bear in mind that Papaya isn't the main one who decides the drops of the ticket (KOEI is also with them to consulate). 

    Anyway I hope my statements are clear about this ^^

    Kind Regards,
    CulvernpurplepirateDonny71
    IGN: [CA]Huseyin_Gazi
    Dedicated Adventurer and Maritimer
    Other toon: Disi_Aslan (trader, production, R20 SB'er and Director of OA)
    Osmanli_Aslanlar
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    As always Gazi is the calm logical voice of reason. :)
  • SUNDOGG97SUNDOGG97 Posts: 135Member Trainee
    IT is all matter of luck and a gamble. It is pretty much like a lottery ticket with numbers you do not get to choose.

    Just for reference, I brought 6 tickets total since the server, out of that 2 ships, Refit Jammer and Polar Ketch. The rest ship blue print, minor stuff

    Now I think I am lucky and it appears that I am, but I think the idea of luck is to only try it once in awhile and not depend on it because it very unlikely you will get what you want. If you want a certain item you only got a 1 in 26th chance each time.

    So try to pick the best time to try your luck," I go with my feelings" when they are very good use able items you want in the ticket.
  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    Yes, I think Gazi hit on the most important improvement - you can buy captain tickets and trade them, they don't auto-open like the sailors bottles. That one simple change opens up a whole new batch of options.
    HuseyinGazi
    May the winds blow you well
  • FleabagNO1FleabagNO1 Posts: 14Member Beginner

    First of
    all I am with you Carlalex and psychology proves your words, even if some here
    don’t believe it.

    I am not
    willing to respond to comments like “leave or go..” for they are just immature
    and lack any kind of understanding.

    What really
    bothers is the “Group-Pressure” what gets built up by those who say “buy stacks
    of tickets” or “just Astro ships” are ok!

    Its NOT
    only children wasting their money in game ..its even a lot of grownups who waste
    their last usd in bottles.

    I have
    nothing against gambling! BUT I have something against the strategy setting up
    pressure and lead people in misery. Such like fools do it, saying buy bigger
    amounts.

    And I am
    serious about that!

    I have seen
    suicides caused by games and I don’t think that’s something to ignore.

    @Hus - I understand
    WHY u vote for PP ..you are part of it ..

    Look at the
    strategy verbally as well as the drops are sorted. Oh..after a time appeared a
    requirement demanding a certain age. That’s ALL !

    It appeared
    after a couple months..

    You as an
    old player and large money maker building ships profit from those who can’t
    wait to get their ships fit all the needs of company and group.

    You say u
    never bought bottles / tickets..

    LoL I recall
    u been able to win every race and event and got tons of ships free.. why didn’t
    u mentioned that?

    The
    strategy is : make a shortage here and there and fill it with contents JUST
    from tickets (bottle)

    Let me
    mention Founderpackages ..

    There is no
    real SAIL in it.. just ARMAMEMTS ..

    And I havn’t
    seen any source in game to gain sails like Ganador ..Goldrush ..  all we see is consumables

    You compare OGP with PP but forget that OGP got in trouble for devs loyalty went running with PP's payment..  i wonder if we faced a hostile takeover ...but thats a personal impression ...



  • HelloAllHelloAll Posts: 701Member Intermediate
    Let’s just close the game down then.
    Also close that chocolate store because some people become addicted to that.

    Whether the research is true or not, if we are going to go down this line then there is a lot of companies that should be closed down.

    And if we are going to change the world so addicts and gamblers can’t be tempted, then expect to be pretty bored in life.

    Just like an ex alcoholic will be wise and avoid a pub, bar or even get together of friends if drinks are available. Then those addicted to gambling should wisely avoid such circumstances that can bring them to temptation.

    I am not a gambling addict and there I have no problem with the tickets. And I don’t want to have to change things for their sakes and neither should I
    Culvern
  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    Pubic Service Announcement (for certain dickheads) - YOU DON"T HAVE TO PLAY THIS GAME!!!! Repeat: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY THIS GAME. End of message.
    Culvern
    May the winds blow you well
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Dammit Wes that was funny and to the point!
    Makes me not want to pirate you if I get the chance.

    Once again I see some people complain about it's a P2W game.
    True the cash shop and ticket items are better than most in game things. But the fact that every high end item has been available to anyone to buy in Seville with ducats renders that argument void.
    The cash players just have quicker access (they are payingreal life Earned money) than the free player but no extra advantage.

    People can get addicted to all sorts of things. We can't ban them all.
    If we banned sex because there are sex addicts it would end the human race in one generation.
    The point being people need to act responsibly in all aspects of their lives, the world would be an incredible place If we all did.
    carssman
  • carssmancarssman Posts: 70Member Beginner
    Hookers and blow come to mind :)

  • eyuhfyeyuhfy Posts: 56Member Beginner
     I bought Imp Large Extra Spanker (Vert20) in cash shop last month but now Papaya has released superior one (Adv Spanker) as a Cpt Ticket item. This is really ridiculous. 
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