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About papaya's decision to delete duped items.

RazeeerRazeeer Posts: 212Approved Member Trainee
General
First of all let me start with saying that I believe that what they did was the right thing to do, however they didn't think all things through, and as a result many players are, rightfully so, mad about their decision.

Now, from what I understood papaya deleted ~4.7k items, including items that were acquired 1-2 years ago, and I have so many questions about this, like why did nobody take any measures for such a long time, because apparently it wasn't very hard to do so, also, were only the duped items deleted? how about the items that were crafted/upgraded using illegal/duped items (such as 100% talies, or other duped/gmshoped consumables)? And do this 4.7k items also include bullions? Because if they weren't, they should also delete those, if possible.

Now let's talk about the matter at hand, and to be more specific about how do you properly compensate the community for, what was the fault of both the dupers and the companies that owned the game while duping happened and did nothing about it for so long, because in my opinion, the majority of the players that lost something, are not at fault.

What papaya suggested is that, the players that lost an item, or more, submit a ticket to them, providing info about the trade, who sold the item, how much did they pay for it, etc, which I think is very inefficient, because let's be honest, how many times do you remember the name of the person you traded with, or how many of you ss/record the trade?

The best possible solution to make things right, in my opinion, are some really rewarding events, that all players can partake in, that are of easy-medium dificulty, not some karon's pilgrimage event bs where you have to collect treasure maps ver. 3 x15 for example, where during the period of the event(s) the gm's would personally surveil the players in game so that cheating/duping doesn't happen.

Anyway this are my thoughts and ideas about the current state of the game, let me know what you guys think.
Mytsos

Comments

  • yronas2yronas2 Posts: 30Approved Member Beginner
    I agree perfectly, logged in today to see how is game doing gladly my all items are intact.
    But seriously, how the f am I supposed to play when my mediocre +9 set with +10 wep gets me one-shotted? (Yeah I'm missing quite a lot to be in top) Would say nothing if i were doing it alone but 7ppl party 185+ fully geared with seg gets smacked down like nothing. 

    I would love to play something that is farm-able and those events sound nice however it is hard not on the level of skill but gear or in this case HP which I as a Mage do not have any chance to survive or even participate.

    The rich get richer and the poor get pounded
  • ShadowAlokenLVShadowAlokenLV Posts: 200Approved Member Trainee
    Rofl i remember 100% since i have recorded trades and saved on other drive incase laptop break down like it was last year or if some one try to make up scam nonsense against me, you never know.

    But yea seems Papaya didn't do anything till last week to fix duping and delete duped items as soon those were made, if they were taking action way earlier and kept compensating those who where affected then things would go bit faster and lets say little bit safe. Is it that hard to delete duped items every week???

    About items that were made with 100% talis or purchased by using cheat to add any items on cash shop. They sort of legal because item is uniq just like items you craft, open from boxes and so on. And from what i heard Papaya kinda can't track for very long time used items like boxes, talismans. So if that's true i doubt those items will be removed since item id simply doesn't exist.

    But better question how come Papaya don't keep track on those players who keep on duping and using cheats and don't IP and System ban those players. DI used to be banned during NEXON like multiple times and yet he kept coming back, creating new chars, people point that this player is back and yet they allow to keep him playing. Also i have reported one player like twice for past 2-3 months because he been selling MC3 +10, helpyron's +10s on each class and this guy been spaming on match chat publicly, even wrote private mail to [GM] and yet this same player still active in game.
    Mytsos
  • cesaroctaviocesaroctavio Posts: 36Member Beginner
    We all know that iRage members will never be touched, they all have items +10, MC3 and they sell products to create the mC3, and none have been banned, when the whole community knows that they have obtained many of their items illegally, and we assume with the help of the MSG ... I think their alliance should be called "untouchables", for obvious reasons.

    I think we should give up on these illegal players, now if they did an event like the Coliseum or PVP optos, I wonder who would beat them? if to try to climb to +7 any gear is almost impossible and they have everything plus +10, it would be a waste of time ...

    I feel that events should also be done for low levels, those that try to make the DKSQ not die and do not level up either in 130 or 150 dksq, they do not get anything from the events they do, which I believe example the new dungeons levl 180+, were created only for us to try to forget all the illegalities and the MC3 that were never erased from the game, turning the illegal into legal .....

    Now have so many illegal items only to kill low levels, laugh, you lose against them and they call you NOOB ?? hahahaha yes, some of us are NOOBS, but legal and it has cost us effort and thousands of hours to have our items legally ...
  • weakconcerraweakconcerra Posts: 20Approved Member Beginner
    Pretty much everything Shadow has tried to write down is incorrect, spreading misinformation and not being knowledgeable about these issues for attention-seeking purposes won't really help anybody.

    First of all, they did NOT delete all duplicated items.

    When it comes to the duping-issue, there were several ways. As a matter of fact our HGM's have tried to get duping fixed many times, they even succeeded it is just that the DEV's would just always fk something up, then new / old issues would (re)appear. The HGM's put so much time into this but it wasn't that easy after all. Duping will most likely always work, somebody only has to find a way.

    We can assume it was fixed indefinitely, so we could declare this as a Pyrric victory. I just think that all these years of incompetence have taken its toll and there is a good reason why the game is such a state, but hey, it cannot last forever. I also believe that the community is partially to blame as well.

    Items that were made illegally with 100%s are not legit. The item ID does NOT change.
    You cannot put Helpyron +10 Items into the D'Shop via D'Shop Hack, you can change the D'Shop items, nothing more. How can someone come up with that much illogical-nonsense when all the information has been right on the forum(s) ?

    @Shadow just to clarify I didn't make my HB & CS recently, I had em for a while. I didn't come back. I honestly think that all players who used the D'Shop Hack or duplicated should get perma banned on all accounts, yes that includes me. You can simply take a look @ my other thread, where I posted the video of the 100%s etc. 

    I pm'ed Elanin the other day, this is what I said - 

    The accounts I used to record that video have been banned but it doesn't matter to me whether I made it public, helped em or not, I still think they would be required to take certain actions.

    There're players with over 100 MC3s, +10, they did not farm them. I thought Papaya may get rid off the illegal MC3s, unfortunately they did not. It seems to be problematic when players use 9999x stacks of MC3 ingredients, the crafting system may make it difficult in the logs to figure out whether it was made legitly or not, but that shouldn't even be needed.

    w/e enjoy the game while it lasts.
  • RazeeerRazeeer Posts: 212Approved Member Trainee
    I see that things are way more complicated than what I initially thought, and as someone said here, besides the incompetence of the devs/game owners, the community is partially to blame as well, which I also agree too. 
    However a lot of damage has already been done, and there's nothing that can undo that, it's enough to log in the game and check the market, or ask any player what they think about the game, most of them consider quiting the game at this point, not to mention the already huge numbers of players that already did. 
    And who could blame them, I mean, there are some people in game that are full helpy +10, which they obtained illegaly (not saying everyone whos full +10 did so), and are roaming around freely, prices are hectic right now, and even if you got the money somehow for a good item, you need to shout for days/weeks and if you're lucky you might find the item you want, the devs are asking ridiculous amounts of money for dshop items (which tbf is the reason why I said i believe the community is partialy to blame as well, we should not buy a single item from that cursed shop, in any normal game, for 100$ you are pretty much fully geared, not to mention that in really good games, you only find cosmetics in their equivalent of dshops, so ya there's that), and most of the events are either pay-to-get our "special offer" dshop items, either ridiculously demanding, or both (west arcadia).

    So at the risk of getting flamed by some of you, I believe that the only way for papaya to get the game back on track, is to organize really rewarding events, as I already mentioned when I started this thread, on a monthly basis, for a long time for now, even indefinitely, and by "really rewarding" I mean events that will reward +10 helpy items, 30%+ graces/glories, mc3, and basically every single ingredient/item that can help players legitimately get fully geared up in a short time, just by playing the game (with emphasis on short time, not west-arcadia, karon seasonal's pilgrimage bs events)

    The reason why I'm saying this, is because: 1 prices will go back to normal, 2 players that were always legit can actually be rewarded and compete with those wankf**ks that cheated the game, 3 people might actually be attracted to come back and play the game, and 4 the game will become fun again (more people playing, regular market prices, a big di*k inside the mouth of the players we know and hate so much for the bs they did)

    Also dshop will keep on working just as it did before, because some people will still opt to buy whatever they need from there, instead of doing any sort of event.

    However I doubt any of the above will happen, best case scenario we will get an attendenence event which will reward us on the 30th day of the month with a 5* mount or something among those lines.
  • MytsosMytsos Posts: 28Member Beginner
    You guys think papaya really deleted the duped items ? they just randomly delete 4700 items just to make people trust them again and pay them AGAIN... i know about computers / internet and stuff like that ... and i also know how people dupe items ... one thng is for sure u cant dupe binded items .. and papaya dont know that ... thats why they deleted master dragon neckalces and fangs ... u cant dupe those items.. for real guys papaya is corrupted ... maybe not all members but some of the GMs/DEVS are and they tell lies to others and they think they are legit ... also when u suggest ideas about new events and other stuff like that ... they WONT do it even if they read all the ideas ... their answer to you is that korea Dekaron is the one who take all decisions and they cant change anything ..they copy everthing koreans do and they dont have the rights to make decisions alone.. ( i only play pve and never pay them until company changes .. if u like this game u should do the same).
    kenixman
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