Býg head has been removed!

Killingtime · April 2018

And a small amount of hope has been restored..

Now just fix all the other 99 issues!

Wombarger · April 2018

Thank god.

Hairytummy · April 2018

Sorry that every Big Head player forced you to play this mode ;D

tonytamn · April 2018

didn't realize this, is it true? not mentioned in update notes

Hairytummy · April 2018

Its true

lnsupportable · April 2018

Wonderful.

strica89 · April 2018

great to see that this mode is finally gone It was one of the biggest issue why this game slowly died in the last few years

StaphWar · April 2018

Smartest decision ever! Atleast if you lack brains.

Why isn't this a smart move you might ask?

Well it's super simple and basic 101 economics.

Let's just assume that before yesterday the player base was:
40% normal head only.

30% both normal and big head.
30% big head only.

Congrats! You guys just single handedly killed 30% of the player base!

I'm the 30% that enjoys both. But I admit I play around 70% games bighead and 30% normal. If you can do the math that means that a player like me is likely to play 70% less. And in my case that means pay 70% less as well. So let's assume that this goes for the whole player base and papaya would have atleast around 40% less income from the game.

Then why did papaya decided to do so?

They did it, and I quote, because "they received many complaints about big head". So papaya decided to delete big head because players decided on their own free will, to join a big head room and got annoyed by the fact they joined a big head room. Honostly how hard is it to simply not join a big head room? If you think that simply because big head is removed all players will only play normal head, your wrong.

Saying that big head killed WR is the dumbest thing you can say, since it wasn't a forced mode. Just because it has split up the player base into a certain percentage playing only normal head and a certain percentage playing only big head, doesn't mean the player base has gotten smaller due to that. But the decision to remove it obviously will make the player base smaller.

Conclusion: smaller player base = less income. Congrats on your financial suicide! Smart move :)

p0wner1180 · April 2018

About time. :-) Great job Papaya.

Nuffiii · April 2018

Another senseless patch. Congrats on solving a problem that never existed and on wasting ressources that could easily have been used better.

@StaphWar 100% correct.

On topic:

The removal of the "Big Head"-mode did not solve a problem of Warrock since it never had been one. Big Head rooms never were "must play"-rooms. Players who used that mode always did that by their own choice.
Ok, i totally accept that "EXP"-issue but in this case, too, not Big Head was the problem. Warrock has a pretty stupid way to award exp. A single kill gives a certain amount of money that varies because of the game mode, the gun or weapon system (BG). So redoing the EXP-system would have been a much smarter way to deal with this so called "problem".

But actually this removal leaves me behinde amazed for another reason. I would love to know what triggered those in power to become active because of this mode? Why? Remember the "Death Cam"-issue?

Unlike now the HGMs started a thread and even a poll asking about our thoughts regarding this "room option". There have been countless threads endorsing the removal of the DC and almost non speaking in favor of it. From the official point of view this has not been enough to do something about a game feature that a) has been identified as a problem by many and b) seriously affects the game even if you do not want it.
Now a game mode that always has been a free choice has been removed while there neither has been a thread nor a poll and of course there have been plenty of "Please remove BH"-posts but i have seen plenty of "Keep that mode"-posts too.

Thus i would love to know why...

The sole reason i approve this removal for is that neither something like BH nor those idiotic manga / anime style skins and senseless, annoying gun color patterns and bullet effects should be a part of a militray style tactical shooter.

Nuffiii · April 2018

I would totally support that if the reason was balancing the game or even for making it more competitive (sensless from my point of view since wr has too many other problems to be fair thus competitive). But that is obviously not the reason why this mode got removed. If it has been...

Why does BG-mode still offer a room option that enables to create for example pistol only rooms with maps that feature main battle tanks or other armored vehicles? Why is it still possible to block heavy troopers in rooms with usable vehicles?

From all those stupid or even 100% idiotic room options BH was the by far most balanced since both sides had the same "problem".

And no, i do not miss BH but i do not want to be taken for a fool by a publisher either not even exlaining why things were done or even being flat-out lied to.

Wombarger · April 2018

"The sole reason i approve this removal for is that neither something like BH nor those idiotic manga / anime style skins and senseless, annoying gun color patterns and bullet effects should be a part of a military style tactical shooter."

This.

I want to add one thing Nuffiii, and that is that BH mode did divide the player base and that is the last thing we need with such a small community of players. I doubt that the BH players will stop playing WR and the percentages that Staphwar spits out are totally senseless and without any evidence or numerical backup.

I thank Papaya for removing BH, but as you said, they have a lot more issues to work on!

Nuffiii · April 2018

Sure Staph's numbers were a little exaggerated but the key statement is correct. They are more players who will quit the game because they lost the only mode they like than players who are supposed to have left the game because of so many others playing this mode. They always were free to join this mode and nobody forced them.

Just take me as an example. I am a BG-only player.
I do not play AI since i consider it boring to be lagged away by zombies and / or just am too stupid to find the entertaining factor in killing them.
I do not play CQC since i do not like that rush to the enemy, die /win, start again thing on maps that a small enough to become claustrophobic.
Did i feel forced to play those modes even once?

No, because i always had the choice to a) take part and join or b) do not join because i do not want to. BH did not even offer any advantages for playing it. There never has been a player who left because of that mode but there will be players who leave because of loosing it.

And by the way. If BH mode by keeping players away from "normal" rooms did divide the players, every new map does that too. Every new map is an option to play something others do not. There is no difference if you do not want to join room 33 because it is "Big Head" or "The new fucked up shit map".

Not liking the way others want to play is no reason to insult, condemn, kick or even remove!

tonytamn · April 2018

lul StaphWar are you that narrow minded? If the majority hates it then this was not a dumb move, simple as that

if you didn't notice, we were low key forced to play big head, wanna know why? cause it low key was taking over the rooms

every damn page had like 90% big head mode so it was rare to find normal mode

because of that, i have no choice but to play that room cause i like the map and can't find any other rooms

let's be honest here, you're over exaggerating by saying that this will kill the player base

are you seriously thinking people will quit because of this? LUL cmon really? i doubt people only play this game for that one and only certain mode

i don't mind the big head mode being in the game because sometimes its nice for a change and not play normal mode but it went to an extent where it was over weighing the normal mode and it was like big head was the "normal" mode instead

for real though, big head mode was cancer because people always camp and hide their big ass heads by invert leaning

StaphWar · April 2018

Hi Tonytamn,

Ok let's quote you a few times ok? Cause your logic fails.

First you say "the majority hates it" about bighead. After that you say "every damn page had like 90% big head mode so it was rare to find normal mode". So in your opinion the majority was playing a mode that they hated, but they did decide to join on free will. You see that doesn't make sense at all?

Next you say "because of that, i have no choice but to play that room cause i like the map and can't find any other rooms". So you honostly didn't know you can create your own room? With the mode of your own choice? Or are you saying that if you made a room, nobody joined because they rather played big head? That doesn't make sense since you said "the majority hates it".

And after that you say: "let's be honest here, you're over exaggerating by saying that this will kill the player base". First time you'r partially right. The 30% might be overrated, could be 10% could be 20%. But it's inevitable that there will be players leaving due to this decision. And since new flesh in WR is super rare lately, this decision will speed up the process of players leaving the game.

And you finish with: "for real though, big head mode was cancer because people always camp and hide their big ass heads by invert leaning". I wish you good luck on receiving what you preach. If you'r using that word for big head mode, you'r really messed up. It was always your own decision. So you chose the, and I quote "cancer", yourself....

Seeying the overall community reaction, it seems like a lot of players have trouble with making their own decisions. North Korea would be a great place for a bunch of players i guess.

Beamer13 · April 2018

Offcourse its hard to do the exact math......but i could show u the 2469 screenshots of big head games i'f played so u could start counting all the diff players in those games.

Fact is, if so manny rooms are created big head, there are a few...lol...players who want to play big head.....

bsssssss to remove big head ...papaya thinks this way they can force this community, thats getting smaller every day, to play all in one mode....problem solved....lol.........Ty papaya to give in to the laggplayers that complained.about getting killed more in big head then in normal mode...nice move

NephiliM82 · April 2018

Dont really have the time to read the full thread right now, so my point has probably already been brought up, but: why does this not need any poll just like the death cam removal? Strange... ;)

Muse01 · April 2018

@NephiliM82:
You seriously think voting's gonna do anything?
These votes are just to make us feel like we have something to say.
Or did anyone see the result of the Death Cam poll?

lnsupportable · April 2018

I don't really agree with you guys saying it's a shame that they removed BH. Nexon came up with this ridiculous mode, I first thought it's a joke but they kept it in the game so I started playing it.

Trust me, I used to almost only play BH in the last few months because I liked the fast gameplay and also because 90% of the maps I like were BH only. I liked it, but it was something else and not WR anymore! I'm really happy that they removed it and I can get into the normal mode again, the real one.

If you're upset that this has been removed, then this is the wrong game for you, period.

Cheers

Nuffiii · April 2018

@Insup

Of course the question if and why a game mode designed for temporarily events should be turned into a permanent option is justified. Nobody denied that.

But, and that is what some here cast doubt on, this mode never has been a problem nor anybody had been forced to play it. So there basically was no reason to remove it. The only reason mentioned here is "all rooms with the map i wanted to play were big head mode rooms" and this, too, is no reason to remove the mode. Why?

If 20 big head rooms are full and nobody wants to join your room without it, you are the minority that does not want to play like most others. Otherwise your rooms without big head would have been full. Thus you were the one who played the wrong game. ;)
Forcing 15 players to leave their game mode behind just to fill your 16 man room nobody wants to join...
That's neither fair, reasonable nor anything else positive. But that is what happened here.

So in the end there still was no reason to remove that mode because nobody got disadvantaged by it, unless he thinks he is the one who has the right to define the only acceptable way to play the game.

Maybe it would help if some officials would let us know the true reasons that lead to this game mode's removal.

Nuffiii · April 2018

Don't get me wrong. I do not care about that mode but i would love to know why it got removed since those "reasons" named on the forum are plain and simple stupid and free from any kind of logic.

It is called transparency.

Mrterr0r · April 2018

Big head was a further dumbing down of warrock. We have already seen this in other areas which your all vocal about such as deathcam, the red dot gps and with the AW50. The only people who will be upset and miss Bighead are the players lured into a false sense of skill by playing this mode.

lnsupportable · April 2018

I get your point, but I think that wasn't the center of the actual discussion. And I never said that BH destroyed WR, but it certainly was a stupid thing which made some old CQC players leave the game. I think as a BG Player you didn't feel the impact even nearly that strong as we did in CQC.

But I think you're talking about the fact that this mode has been removed for no real reason, same as they did with the "unfair" boni on the skins (which got me triggered too, I bought got Gina perma few yrs ago and now it's completely useless) although stuff like f.e. the shitty deathcam is still available in the game. You're talking about the futility behind all that and questioning Papaya's actions, I'm talking about how glad I am that they removed something that should has never been in this game.

I don't care for what reason this mode has been removed, I only care that it finally happened.

Muse01 · April 2018

Let me say some points:
I dont hate this BH game modus but its a joke modus.
But its full ok that this modus is removed.
to fight with a ballon head or in a bikini or elk costume has what to do with a shooter game?

lnsupportable · April 2018

Blame NX for all that BS.

CodenameDEATH · April 2018

We should be asked whether or not to remove the big head mode ...
the cheaters are partying ... 
that's all they wanted, I'm very sad about it.
that was arbitrary!

that was arbitrary!

v0nndutch · April 2018

100% Agree with smaller player base now..

I only played big-head to level up faster, guess go back to playing normal now..

v0nndutch · April 2018

+ You all moan about big-head... Why?

There was plenty of rooms playing without 'Big-Head' - You just all complain because you're bad at WarRock.

Multiipower · April 2018

1vs1 v0n?

v0nndutch · April 2018

When I'm next on beautiful :)

Don't forget to tie your shoe laces up, wouldn't want you to trip and roll out with the excuses.

lnsupportable · April 2018

Back to basics is always good Mikey, finally all the bighead players need to get back to the real game again.

Býg head has been removed!

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