are "alts" still allowed to be used in party?

makaramus · May 2018

I mean old "you can use 3 account at the same time as 1 person in a single party" rule? I dont like this rule since I dont want to micro 3 account and getting behind on everyone because of this and stopped playing(also I belive it was 1 of greatest reason of incrasing inflation since its incrasing incoming money to game by usually being used at npc trades)

if not is anything done to make using 3 accounts at same time obsolate? thats enought too :/

crazyhunter2003 · May 2018

Play the way you want.

Alts are an option we all have. you don't have to use them if you don't want to

eyuhfy · May 2018

The new alt rule drives your income up by 150% as compared to OGP era we were playing with 2 toons. So, have we all got better off then?

It is positive in some points. We can now do ship rebuilding and investment for court-rank much easier. But these are contents with no other players involves.

In MMO world, we are competing with each other and relative income/wealth rather than absolute ones matter very much. The new alt rule doesnt affect your wealth ranking as long as you play with 3 toons. In other words, you have no choice but to play with 3 to keep your ranking.

As many ppl feel, 3 toons play is still frustrating even though "follow admiral" function ease quite much. You have to prepare for another PC for 3rd toon and have to operate 2PC at the same time. We also have higher chance of forced fleet disband by disconnection.

I support the virtue of competition in general but I think this kind of competition is meaningless and even harmful just like military expansion race. If you are asked which regulation between 2 or 3 toons, most of you will certainly choose 2 for comfortable play (you still have the same relative wealth!).

crazyhunter2003 · May 2018

new alt rule???we've had alts from the beginning

WesDoobner · May 2018

yes, alts still rule and everyone should have one or be crippled by their refusal to play the game as it was designed to be played, to fleet with someone, whether you fleet with your own alt or fleet with someone else's toon. Playing by yourself with one toon is a limited experience.

dweyll · May 2018

Papaya could remove "follow" function...

Alt accounts increase inflation very fast because of ducat output with these new ships.

Removing follow function will restrict alts to satisfactory levels.

Noelash · May 2018

This whole "BAN THE ALTS" story is getting really old. It actually translates into "I'm too lazy to manage alts, so I want everybody to stop using them, so I don't get left behind". Play how you want and let others play how they want, as long as they observe the TOS.

Culvern · May 2018

"Getting really old" is just code for "I like to cheat if I can get away with it"

It is harder to play without the alt so "being lazy" is not why decent people choose not to game the system.

carlalex · May 2018

How can something specidfically allowed in the game be called cheating ?

Besides wirthout follow working with other players in fleets would be impossible.

WesDoobner · May 2018

The whole concept of video games if finding better ways to do things to improve how you perform in the game, whether finding the best routes on Simpsons Road Rage or trying to find the best way to make ducats in UWO. Anything allowed by both the code and the posted rules by definition cannot be cheating. Period. Cheating means doing something you are not allowed to do. So there is no cheating here, if there were any cheating Papaya would ban the person corrupting the system. Now there are people that play the game in ways that other people don't like - but that will always be the case.

WesDoobner · May 2018

Sorry, Culvern, purposely handicapping yourself does not automatically make you a decent person, and those who don't self handicap indecent. Although I will grant that you seem like an OK fellow!

Culvern · May 2018

Thx Wes.
I know the use of an alt is not a textbook description of cheating.
But I can tell you all that UWO was Not designed to have alts.
No game EVER released was designed to have a 'party' of toons that you need to use multiple sessions of the game to control. (Or 2 computers)
If the game was Intended for us to be using multiple toons at the same time the user interface would support it from just opening one session of the game.
Papaya does not stop us from using a second or third toon, but that is not the games intended design.

Just because a police officer does not stop you for driving 60 in a 55 zone does not mean that it is now legal or right to do 60 there now.

It is 100% possible to play the game without any alt, even a storage alt. I did it on gama. And yes I did shipbuilding and grading to g6 on all my ships.

I do now use an alt for storage and bazaar sales.
And I doubt that anyone has an issue with those that use them for that or different skills.
The argument has always been about the alts used just to bring back more nanban to get rich.
Those alts are not used to play a part of the game they are otherwise unable to play with their main toon. They are just used to 'game' the system.

carlalex · May 2018

Without alts I would be severly restricted in what I could do in the game, since I have better things to do than sit around waiting for someone wanting to play with me to show up - playing with others would be a lot more fun, but those others do not exist.

And fleeting up with random strangers is very dangerous since they can pull you in to all sorts of crap by initiating attacks vs other fleets. Sylph did that to me on Gama and I have no desire to repeat that experince being involuntarily turned pirate and then being gang banged by everybody and their pet hamster - all because I did the stupid mistake of giving a lowbie a tow..

HelloAll · May 2018

^ that’s cruel

crazyhunter2003 · May 2018

law says driving 60 in a 55 zone is speeding whether u get caught or not. there is no rule in TOS stating use of alts is prohibited.so this analogy is wrong

theedgedemon · May 2018

@dweyll actually we have a problem with low flow of cash. there is only one player i know asks 30b+ for a different ship each week, but people willing to pay that is another thing altogether.

theedgedemon · May 2018

@culvern

"No game EVER released was designed to have a 'party' of toons that you need to use multiple sessions of the game to control. (Or 2 computers)"

is funny you said that becuse there is a list in Reddit of

"Games that are easy to multibox and it is allowed"

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/6aimtt/games_that_are_easy_to_multiboxclient_with_and/

and surprise is a rather long list, although i will admit i have only played one of those games (AO) ever.

theedgedemon · May 2018

@carlalex "being gang banged by everybody and their pet hamster"

i want to point out that my pet hamster was not present in that party!

i have hanged out with at least one person known for doing that, but she at least warn you of the possibility before joining fleet.

Culvern · May 2018

@theedgedemon

Just because there are other games that people play using more than one system to do so still dies not mean that they were designed to be played using multiple computers.

I can use 10 Xboxes at once to play a first person shooter, does that mean the game was Intended to be played that way?

If you can find any game that lists the system requirements to play the game as: requires multiple computers.
That would surprise me.

@crazyhunter
You are right the analogy is not 'technically' the same but we are not in a court of law, I am sure you understood the point I was making.

WesDoobner · May 2018

One of my favorite old school games Ultima used multiple characters in the parties, you started off with one character, then added more as the game progressed, and each character had different strengths and weaknesses, and you could pick and choose between certain characters that you wanted in your party. Hmmmmmm, that sounds kind of familiar actually.......

I would not be surprised if the UWO developers said to themselves, hey, let's design a game where people can play with one character, but not complete the game with only one, and have to be playing more than one toon at a time to fully appreciate the game - can anyone say for certain that was not their intent? because that is what happened. Occams razor applies.

HelloAll · May 2018

Most of the alts are nanban alts. 1 lead and 2 alts following behind in clermonts.

Probably carrying around 7k nanban goods give or take.

That isn’t to help someone have the full experience of the game. It’s just to become rich quicker.

WesDoobner · May 2018

I have one alt following me, and when I nanban he's there too to double up my loan, and for spice too. But my alt is a fully developed player with different skills than my main and I can use him almost as well as the main. Two is all you can do on one computer, but if gameguard allowed 3 toons on one computer I would have 2 alts following me instead of 1.

Culvern · May 2018

@wesdoobner I am guessing that you Ultima game allowed you to control each of these toons from just one interface correct?

WesDoobner · May 2018

I still use one interface, my computer, just different windows. I'm starting to think that was exactly what KOEI had in mind when they programmed it, with all the interest in multi tasking that was going on back then.

makaramus · May 2018

well thanks for responses so simply I quit.

@crazyhunter2003 no its must be because its simply offering you potantial triple income in game. if you dont use it everyone will be richer than you 3 times wich means everything in market much more expensive

@Noelash yes I am lazy to play with 2 more accounts + I dont have an extra computer so its limiting me. this game is time consuming allready and I dont want to exhaust myself 3 times more for game taking entire day

@Slight changes are enought to fix this. things like removing skill limiting (since everyone can have alts that can carry all crafting skills that not a problem). ofcourse this is a simple example

@Helloall do you know what happens i centar bank press more double amount of money of country supposed to have? money loses all of its value... and everyone used to be rich are now regular and regular are now poor and poors are simply do not even exist. thats problem. because of people printing money I am becoming poor... way too much

all I am saying if this game meant to be played with alts then its not a game for me. there is nothing to defend here if this is how devolpers want to set rules . since I cannot change rules I have to decide never look back :/

makaramus · May 2018

by the way I am not here raging because rules are like this

I stopped playing after returning because of hard reset. but finding out alts are still allowed I had to quit again... just here to confirm if it is still a thing since it was discussed back in day

makaramus · May 2018

@Noelash by the way (sry for spam too) I dont say "ban the alts" its a cheap turnaround and requiring too much effort to track it

I prefer to change game alts are obsolate and you can do same things without alts

purplepirate · May 2018

@makaramus what does it matter if other people play with alts or not? if you just play by yourself just to 'enjoy' the game then it shouldn't matter how rich others are. If you are planing on competing in pvp events then sure you will start behind but with all boosts that are easily available and access to high end gear in game 'from those rich players you shun so much' then you can also have anything in game you need. No this sounds more like a rant than an actual issue with the game system from a lazy person who's just making excuses.

makaramus · May 2018

@purplepirate when others 100 times richer than me market becomes 100 times richer too so I can never buy ship I need to survive in world where everyone forced to pvp :) if I was able to ignore other players and only focus on story and pve content you are right but thats out of question I am ok with competition.

you must agree with me that you cant ignore PVP in this game unless you only play in mediterrian (wich even story convincing you to abandon area)

again this is not a rant if game decided to be played like this thats cool for me I am just sad and quit game :)

makaramus · May 2018

by the way is there an "edit" option in this forum? I meant to say "europe" not "mediterrian"

HelloAll · May 2018

Lots of cash shop ships are available at reasonable cost. And there is lots of SY ships that are cheap as chips of you grind your levels.

You want a cog? LLM? ANG?
You can’t afford those ships?

Welcome to 99% of the population.
Everything else is doable.

I don’t use alts, I don’t even nanban.

You can even get an MKW or CV and mod it to at least a reasonable standard.

If your that worries about money you will never be able to get SSIP, SSIR, ESBR and then the parts anyway. And those parts haven’t really changed price because of so many being rich.

This is also not a rant. Just some cold hard facts :)

are "alts" still allowed to be used in party?

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