ESF has lost it's way....

mondobogus · May 2018

Once upon a time ESF was fun, and still is from time to time. 10 vs 5 battles happen quite often, but then when it comes to farming the fight becomes lame....especially when it comes to gaining no points after 3 attacks. Just let it be a fair fight from there and move on. Some of us are there for that reason.

I really don't see how attacking the same fleet repetitively with 10 can be fun anyway. If you feel the need to do so not only do you have no honor, you display yourself as being weak (I.E. can't handle a fair fight).

I don't mind losing a battle as long as it's fair. This was the first time I bothered to try to make it on for Sunday ESF, and most likely the last. Things got so bad we just quit playing.

Here's an example of the childishness we had to deal with:

I hope things get better. The battles are supposed to be fun for both sides win or lose. Now flame away idc...

mondobogus · May 2018

hmmm let's try this way...
[url=https://imgur.com/oljvLNj][img]http://i.imgur.com/oljvLNj.jpg[/img][/url]

Spookles · May 2018

Spookles · May 2018

Picture that @mondo tried to upload

And yeah this was getting kind of out of hand, rather save my ship parts than do another 5v10 and to be fair it happens to anyone but the fact that you call your other nation for help and get no response at all wasn't that great either.

Lame ESF this time around hoping the next will be a better experience.

mondobogus · May 2018

...if this doesn't work I need a new pic host
https://i.imgur.com/oljvLNj.jpg

too tired

WesDoobner · May 2018

I was doing esf for the first time this weekend while fleeting with my alt, and I fought against 5 people several times, but I still had fun and got some experience.

purplepirate · May 2018

Of course the biggest issue with everything is the low population, so farming tends to be more the norm now due to lack of targets. I hope more people will turn out in future esf's to make it more fun for everyone. The 5 ship fleets attacking small fleets might have to due with the fact that teams split up to farm npc fleets to get more overall points for the country. So picking off the individuals is going to happen alot.

rangerzfan · May 2018

The North Sea/Jutland/Baltic areas have been fought in to death. Maybe the population is too low to see much difference, but try fighting in areas that might be more popular.

HuseyinGazi · May 2018

In Epic Sea Feud, being "outnumbered" is nothing new anymore especially since the deficiency of population in Maris.

The first two rounds (especially 2nd), we were heavily outnumbered and I was being engaged like 5 vs 10 in many occasion. The third day this happened same to you and yes... when it comes to farming someone, it can really hurt players.

It reminds me from last month ESF when I was being engaged in 1 vs 10 battles, even though they wouldn't get anything... It looked rather personal. That is what often happens with PvP players that feel superior in their mind until someone surpasses it, then the grudge goes to the extent that their feelings are hurt and wish to take vengeance.

Angel, you should not be discouraged because of that, especially by this particular player that you have shown the screenshot of it. Some of them has totally no manners and should not influence your game-play. Just play the way you like in your fleet, because as if I am not foolish enough to play with my clipper in heavy rounds hehe :-)

Kind Regards,

YunoAloe · May 2018

> because as if I am not foolish enough to play with my clipper in heavy rounds hehe :-)

That's exactly what I did last month, with an alt in a Clermont (as I don't have the levels for heavy battleships). Wasn't killed/engaged even once, almost nobody noticed my x20-30 stealth sabotaging Benghazi & Syracuse, and even when they did, they didn't have the speed to catch up. xD That was FUN.

DeadQu33n · May 2018

Iam new to ESF before the reset i did not do it and now i wanted to. this was the 3rd one i did and i feel the same. Players that fram ppl. just because they losed you attack them again and again. And what is so funny is that there is a red msg saying figth with honor. But they do not. and if this is gone happend all time then i do not want to esf.

purplepirate · May 2018

@DeadQu33n I sympathize with you, excessive farming isn't fun for anyone. Back on OGP, pvp fleets would more or less square off with eachother because there was so many people playing. If you weren't involved with a pvp fleet you were more or less left alone, but here it seems that it's different experience since there's not as many online right now. Here now smaller pve players are being targeted more, when that happens just disband the fleet and regroup at the nearest port. That is the best way to stop excessive farming attacks for you guys.
I'm very happy to hear new people coming out to try out the event and saw quite a few myself while playing. I hope that even more will come out to try it and that VETS realize this when it comes to future ESF events and 'farming' fleets.

Culvern · May 2018

In all honesty I hope ESF has not just turned into a solo event where everyone fleets their alts and solo farms PVE just to outscore the other side.

From my experience the PvP is the best part, and fair fights are expected.
But when you see solo players farming PVE fleets it ruins the spirit of the event.
I am sure there are exceptions: could not get a fleet, not staying for long, just trying to get a court rank and such. But once it is just to beat the other team, it becomes a bit unsportsmanlike in my opinion.

purplepirate · May 2018

@Culvern another thing also when they farm like that for points, they use fleets to 'delay' and waste time of pvp fleets keeping them chasing them. Now i understand that it's so all the solo fleets can farm for points but it totally goes with what you are saying about 'unsportspersonlike'. I think if sides are going to continue that strategy of point farming then that will hurt new players that want to play, since small and solo fleets will be targeted and farmed more as a result.

crazyhunter2003 · May 2018

isn't soloing against ESF rules anyway?

WesDoobner · May 2018

can't take part unless you're fleeted.

HuseyinGazi · May 2018

It isn't a violation, however, it is not preferred. Due to my computer, I've done that in April ESF as concern that fleetmates would've to wait for me every time.

These two tactics have been considered as a violation:

- Farming your own alt repeatedly to gain victory points for your side.

- When one of your fleetmate is docking while the rest is at sea... When enemy approach them, the docker switch size to remove the battle status of his/her fleet so that the enemy can't engage them. Afterwards, waiting till they are gone and switch size again to regain his/her fleet the battle status.

The following tactics have been considered as valid:

- Disbanding your fleet to prevent danger and re-form at the nearest port/landing.

- When there is a blockade by enemies, switch size of your ship to sail safe to the next port and then switch back to start from the port where you went.

I think Papaya needs to announce this in the main ESF guide or part of the ToS.

crazyhunter2003 · May 2018

i feel that any singles should not be allowed,period.

mondobogus · May 2018

Thank you all for your replies. I think "sportsmanship" was the best word to describe the issue. Unfortunately I didn't have admiral position to disband our fleet. I also was lagging fairly bad that day; every time I went to leave fleet we got attacked. The above pic was one of many examples I could've given, not just the 1 player. There were many others who didn't act as childish though. I just wanted this issue called to light because we already have a lower turn out for ESF each time.

The battles need a restoration of honorable fighting by all, and shun those who don't act in such a manner:

say something to them for all to see
boot them from fleet
don't reinforce them (let them get what they deserve)

We can't control everyone, but we can however try to sway their attitude.

I would love to have more new players join in and return for another battle. I will still join ESF, but I know a few from both sides of the last who said they won't.

WesDoobner · May 2018

No single are allowed - you have to be fleeted or you cannot participate. The game will not allow singles to operate in the ESF event.

purplepirate · May 2018

when i talk about 'solo' fleets i'm referring to a fleet of people who stay in fleet but hunt npc fleets alone, this allows a full fleet to sink more npc fleets for points overall. It shouldn't be allowed but it happens anyways as of the last 2 ESF's anyways. This is why individuals are picked off more.

@mondobogus if you find that you are being farmed and/or attacked by multiple fleets at the same time you can call for other allied fleets to come and help you out. There were many times during the event that our fleet was looking for other pvp fleets to fight. So feel free to call out for help, someone will come and join you guys :)

WesDoobner · May 2018

I was doing the esf fleeted with my alt, and attacking npc fleets. I also got attacked by other people, sometimes in 5 vs 1 fights (or 2 with my alt), but I don't unfleet when that happens. I fight my best no matter who I'm up against and if I lose I pick myself up and go on to the next battle. Unfleeting to avoid battle seems much more dishonorable than some of the other complaints I'm hearing.

Spookles · May 2018

What this community needs is some basic kindergarten teachers, something that I've been told over over when I was little was:

"Don't do anything against someone that you would not want against yourself either." - Ms hufflepuff.

It's something that has been hardwired into my brain and I personally get frustrated when I meet someone who doesn't live by that.

Keep it fun for everyone instead of being selfish, it'll all last longer that way.

purplepirate · May 2018

@Spookles What this community needs is some basic kindergarten teachers, something that I've been told over over when I was little was: "Don't do anything against someone that you would not want against yourself either." - Ms hufflepuff.

Did you go to Hogwartz? XD

@WesDoobner Unfleeting to avoid battle seems much more dishonorable than some of the other complaints I'm hearing.

I think it really comes down to the circumstance. Back on OGP you could just call out "HQ" if you were heading to port after a battle to go restock. But here it seems people will keep attacking regardless. What do battles with the follow up attacks do with 'honorable fighting' when you have no lumber or crew left from the last attack and all you want to do is restock? It's impossible to be able to defend yourself with no lumber/crew especially if there's 2 fleets of 5 attacking you. Continually being sunk like that is just wasting your game time and not fun.

theedgedemon · May 2018

i didn't even knew there was ESF this weekend after it was over.

but i have been in the 2 previous ESF and it was fairly good, only once i admit i was borderline into rage quit, which out of about 10-18 hours of playtime wasn't such a bad time.

i faced a lot of people from different nations and at least one CA, and we all keep it as civil as a bloody battle can be despite being in opposite sides.

i regret that you had such a bad time but i encourage you to try again, i like to believe those of us interested in making the game enjoyable for everyone are the majority.

WesDoobner · May 2018

Mayday, mayday - this is ESF, I've lost my way! can someone help me get out of this scary forest and back to the ocean?

ESF has lost it's way....

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