Why are the ticket drop rates absolutely trash.

blood8057 · May 2018

Why are the ticket drop rates absolutely trash ?

I opened 290 tickets over 1 month+ period and got 5 ships total, none of those ships were what i wanted. The new ship drops rates are absolutely trash.

when the server started you use to get tons more ships from opening tickets. Ever since the 1.5x drop rates thing came out ship drop rates have become trash.

Also why is there no recycle function i have 3-4 storage alts just simply sitting there with all this ticket junk which takes too long to sell.Also the game has absolutely no marketplace for UWC items beside a toxic merchant chat where you have to waste hours/days/years simply spamming your message. So many of this games problems would be solved if you simply added a global marketplace. Even simply removing bazaar limits would help improve this economy. And don't get me even started on this broken economy where people want 60+ Billion for certain ships.

(Before you get your pitchforks out about 3-4 alts remember the rule is 3 toons online at a single time max).

Luckily i am 100% f2p players so all i did was waste my time and not my real money. I also won't be wasting my time anymore with this endless cycle of gambling.

WesDoobner · May 2018

1. drop rates are low so that you will keep opening tickets.

2. I agree that we need to have the bazaar limits lifted, that will help.

3. I don't know of anyone that has a problem with the number of STORAGE alts, I have about 20. People get mad when they see fleets of 4 or more though, doesn't matter if it's all one person, or four or five different people in different countries fleeting together.

Spookles · May 2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box

"A loot box is typically a form of monetisation"

This game is F2P, they need money.

They can make ships drop more often, but this can lead to issues for Papaya.

More ships ingame means those ships drop in value, making them easier accessible thus less people buying tickets.

chronofox · May 2018

The prob is im guessing u are asking a price that many are not willing to pay this has become the normal really sellers have x item and are unwilling to sell it in less they get the price they fill its worth.
Or in other cases where 1 person sold something for a lot more thin normal thin every one thinks that they should get that price as well.

Really if u want to sell something u will lower your price to sell it off if its no use to u.Other wise u really didnt want to sell it in less u get some over the top price.

take po2 as a exp most sell 700+ seem to be the normal maybe a little higher more like 750k i sell mine at 600k.Because i have no use for them and i got them to sell.No point sitting on items that i want to sell.And i sell out in less thin 2 mins some times on the first shout no mater the number of pos i have they sell out because im looking to sell not sit on them and im not greedy. and if over all po prices drop id drop my price to keep mine selling out first.

Iv said it many times before the playerbase has become way to greedy .Thin people wounder why the game is in the state it is in.where some fs parts are close to 1b its no wounder there is so few people in battle.And people mainly run as adv because its the only thing that has the lowest tie in to the cash shop to get anywhere.

Spookles · May 2018

@chronofox

Amen.

fields1234 · May 2018

In the tickets you opened what kind of stuff did you get? I'd be very surprised if you couldn't make a lot of money on those items even selling cheaper to recover your costs and open another 300 tickets

blood8057 · June 2018

Impossible to recover cost of 290 tickets. Stuff i got is 30-40b max mostly ship parts and i have to wait a long time before there prices goes up to even make 30b....

Cost of tickets nowadays: 200-300m

viennas · June 2018

You see skyrocketing prices of cash shop items because not many people buy UWC in the first place. They don't buy it,..since it's just very expensive. Instead of lowering the cash shop prices and making the stuff more accessible and plentiful they insist on high prices. Not many people can afford or are willing to pay so much, only a handful of people. And buying & opening capt. tickets to make ingame money is it's probably the best way to throw away your real money. Sell rather ssips,..whatever,..you will get more for your money, which is another reason why are capt. tickets items so expensive, not many are willing to spend 100's of dollars,,..to get 1 ship..it's beyond expensive.

carlalex · June 2018

Yes - you got it - lootboxes suck.

And I think that for very good reason the game industry better figure out other ways to make money before authorities close down the business model - its unregulated gambling marketed to children.

They even keep the odds secret - what moron gambles with someone who wont even tell you the likelyhood of winning ?

eyuhfy · June 2018

If they become generous, it will be a serious symptom for us.

YunoAloe · June 2018

During the last ticket there were people opening 300+ tickets not getting an SLS or SSF. During the SHC ticket, there was a certain someone who opened 970 tickets and didn't get it. Now, 300 tickets are like, what, $450? What other game just takes $450 away from you and just doesn't give a f***n ship? This scam is beyond sanity.

Plus they don't even announce the odds. This mustn't be legal, I have doubts papaya would stand much chance if someone cared enough to make a serious lawsuit of this BS.

blood8057 · June 2018

115 Tickets is about $200. You would have to be crazy to waste that much money and get absolutely nothing for it.

Papaya has no intention of ever running a sustainable game. 1- 2 more years and they will pass it off to another developer like OGP and gpotato did.

This game has become nothing more than a cash grab mobile game.

I am done with this game the end game is nothing but a endless cycle of gambling. The only way to win is not play at all.

And of course this post will be removed soon and i will probably be banned as they don't allow any criticism.

blood8057 · June 2018

I am not saying Loot boxes are a scam and we should ban them straight away.

But alteast

1) Have a recycle function

2) Increase cumulatively probability after each ticket opening. For example after opening 500 tickets you let the player choose an item they want. 500 tickets is pretty close to $1000 if you can't get a item from spending that much than it pretty much feels like you are getting scammed.

3) Promote the trading of UWC item, this game's goal from day 1 was to allow UWC item trading but not promote it. That is why the bazzar/company shop limit exist. There business benefits greatly from this limits that is why they have never been removed. When it takes too long for players to find UWC in-game by trading they go spend real money. Unless a player has made up this mind to remain 100% f2p.

Also they wont reveal the true probability of each item in the ticket (Unless they are required to do so by Law like in some Asian countries ). Thats also the main reason why they wont combine the Asian servers with this server they have whole different business model there.

Manipulating probability based on spending patterns is a pretty common practice on cs-go gambling sites and i wouldn't be surprised if that method is used here as well.

IGN:Bloodruby --- Wouldn't care if you decide to ban me for criticising this game. As this game has no future the player base is already low and dying. I done playing this game unless papaya made serious changes and show they are willing to run a sustainable game.

WesDoobner · June 2018

blood8057 - people don't have their posts deleted or get banned for criticisms on this forum, just doesn't happen, so you've already shown that you don't know shit about what you're talking about right off the bat. Maybe if you looked around and check what's happening before going off on a rant, your opinions might be worth something.

blood8057 · June 2018

Yes they do. "Making hostile posts or replies against the publisher or its employees is not acceptable. Post will be removed and user warned and action recorded. Repeated violations can result in permanent forum access suspension, temporary and permanent game access suspension. GMs will make the final decision on the appropriateness of the post " that basicly the same thing as criticising

CrzyPsycoChick · June 2018

Papaya is pretty lax and cool on the forums unless you go OVER the top cursing Ogp out or insulting CA's with profanity so you're post seem cool and chill

If this was OGP you'd be permabanned by now

WalkerDePlank1 · June 2018

You can use http://uwomarket.com to sell all the items you don't need/want.

That is one of the reasons I create that website because I too had a ton of stuff to sell and did not want to sit on world chat selling all day instead of playing.

I pay for that website monthly out of my pocket and also paid for the extra code to fashion an Ebay styled auction system.

The site is designed to allow players to contact each other through email (your email always stays anonymous). Just use your in-game name (different from your login name) so buyers can contact you through game TELL. Use a different login and email than the one you use to log into Papaya.

It's pretty straightforward and simple to use as well as being able to see everything in categories and you can also add pictures to your ads.

blood8057 · June 2018

Sorry but that website is not really useful. The game's player-base is already too low and you just won't get enough users on that website to create a proper marketplace.

CrzyPsycoChick · June 2018

Walker site is good I tried to promote it just people thought it was too complicated or were too lazy to go look smh it needs to be simplified and dumbed down ORRRRR

I think walker site could work with a proxy like… someone in game who posts items on the site for a fee or signs people up for the site so all they have to do is bid. Or someone who collects the items from people to post on the auction site. If uwomarket had an ingame presence it could work I think.

chronofox · June 2018

Iv said it once all ready if u want to sell your items u will lower your price till they sell.
U saying theres no market for uwc items is 100% wrong its just u are being way to greedy with your prices flat out.

Really u are going to quit because U YOUR SELF ARE TO GREEDY to sell off your items because u fill there worth more thin what they are.U all ready said u are 100% free player .u are not going to make your $$ back on non ship items from tic's u mite as well facefacts and get what u can from them rather thin post about why no one is buying your over priced goods ."

WalkerDePlank1 · June 2018

@CrzyPsycoChick

Nothing difficult...it's pretty straightforward.

WesDoobner · June 2018

The problem with the marketplace is there's no system in place to complete transactions. You can bid on something, but if you get the high bid, you never get notified or anything, it's up to the seller to try to contact you, and there's nothing to compel a seller to complete the sale to high bidder if he doesn't want to. If you bid on something on ebay, you get notified if you win, you get notified how to pay, and you get notified and punished if you don't pay for something you bid on, and if the seller won't complete the sale there's a process for that too. Until the marketplace can do those things, it's really no better than a forum WTS or WTB post except that it's easier to enter the item specifics in pre-formatted boxes. It's a good idea, but a long, long, long way from being an actual marketplace.

blood8057 · June 2018

Doesn't matter how you design the website. It could be the best thing ever but useless without users. And you cant get enough users if it doesn't have ingame integration.

CrzyPsycoChick · June 2018

@WesDoobner

Very Valid points hence why I think it needs a proxy to hold items and pay out to players or post auction winners once a day on this forum.

@walker

I think its simple and straight forward you think its simple but its not us that need convincing its the people that want to use it and complained that must be convinced.

I think 25% simply don't know how it works far as payment and item distributing the other 75% are just too lazy to sign up let alone post items. You should hire someone in game to be that middle man imagine how rich you'd be if you took a comission!

The ingame person role would include:

1. Signing people up and providing them with login details

2. Announcing New items up for auction daily in Game and forum

3. Posting new items for people to auction for them

4. Announcing Auction winners daily in Game and forum

5. Optional(collect and distribute items)

Something like 7PM once a day

Each of these the coordinator takes a commission and also charges a fee to sign people up or post items that fixes both confusion and laziness. Then people who can use the site alone are free to do so and those who are lazy can rely on the auction coordinator. oooooo and items collected by auction coordinator are "verified" and are guaranteed to the seller and buyer that solves WesDoobner's issue and of course people will pay a small fee if the transaction is verified. Hee hee heee

I don't want you think im trying to play you or anything I just want to see that idea work because its a good idea in theory and you're a good person.

WalkerDePlank1 · June 2018

Sorry...nothing is perfect ... but it is a better vehicle for selling than the current options.

Using proxies is not feasible. No one is going to sit and do that 24/7. You are comparing your Seville auctioning to this website, it does not work the same.

If you win a bid you are notified by email and it is up to you and the seller to contact each other afterward to complete the transaction.

Unfortunately ... this was the best I could think of and many have affected transactions thru this website.

I gather you guys prefer shouting all day in WC, if that is the case, then I will just take the site down.

Thank you for the feedback.

CrzyPsycoChick · June 2018

Wait dont take it down ok forget what i said try this…

The biggest gripe is people signing up right? So can you like create like 100 different user accounts? UWOmarketAcctA , UWOmarketacctB etc.

Then just go in game and hand them out to people? That would boost users alot. That way no proxy needed do it like once a week for like an hour no 24/7 all the people would need is to give you their email to bind to the account then you give them the creds. I think once lazy people are already signed up by you they'll use it plus you will personally know who each person is even more security

Sorry if I offended just wanted to help :(

rangerzfan · June 2018

The supply seems to be fine. As ChronoFox has stated, the prices are ridiculous for most of the crap the crazed ticket buyers are wanting to sell at. Couple that with the dwindling player population and the end results are not good. If you are choosing to not lower the prices to where the stuff will sell, that is too bad for you. It will not be the lack of PvP that kills this game, but this stupid ticket crap and the market that will be the death nail. Check the top of the ticket inventory site and the update sites and you will see a visit counter. The numbers are not inspiring.

WalkerDePlank1 · June 2018

@crazy

"create like 100 different user accounts? UWOmarketAcctA , UWOmarketacctB etc."

NO... that is not how it works. The premise is to use your in-game name to identify the seller/buyer.

WalkerDePlank1 · June 2018

Look, everyone has ideas... at least I cared enough to put some into action.

Thanks

LyonesseJoseph · June 2018

Hmm I see ,so I believe there is one problem about some players got unhappy because they didn't get high end ships that they wanted. Tbh, I think you rolled dices too much because I believe the tickets are based on seeds ,so you could be unlucky. However, I believe it's about 30% of them are good such as ships, DGaff, and some high end parts/equipment/items.

Heck, I played some tickets ,but I didn't get any ships or some items that I wanted. I got RCWM, CT, MCG, and ADSC3 ,and Cutty Sark (newest) while I also bought 2 Taiwanese ships from other players few months ago. Come to think I did get get very bad value twice or maybe 3 times so far while I got better value 2 times too even though I got about 30% good equipment, parts, items, ships, etc. I don't complain about shitty drop rates even though I don't roll dices too much like you or even my company member Ruthy do.

VictoriasSecret · June 2018

One of my strongest criticisms of the treasure box/ bottle/ ticket system has been the lack of posted odds. I don't mind gambling, but I like to know it's transparent, just like the casinos we have here in the USA which are legally required to post the odds.

I wonder what would happen if all the 25 or so items in a ticket were given equal drop odds. I think instead of just a handful of people buying tons of tickets, even the poorer players would be happy to spend $10-20 with much better odds of getting their dream item. More people spending less money vs a few people spending tons of money. Added benefits: ship reselling would nose dive since ship prices would drop hard. People would not have to nanban for months to get the ship they "need" and could use their playtime for things like maritime and adv. Just a thought.

I have to say Papaya's ticket items are MUCH better than ogp, and maybe even NM. So I think we should all be thankful for that. Even most of the common drops in the ticket are useful, or resalable.

Why are the ticket drop rates absolutely trash.

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