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NaverUWO · July 2018

https://redempire.ca/board/41/uwo-petitions

I am seeing more and more in-activities these days along with already doomed PvP roles in Uncharted Waters Online.

We cannot just ignore the fact and kill the game to the death itself.

I am pretty sure that the problems we have aren't limited to maritime balances so we need to work together as a team regardless of in-game hostility each other.

If you want to make a difference, visit https://redempire.ca or https://redempire.net(SSL not applied yet), go to petition board and start your own petition. (Link above)

If you gather at least 50 signatures from your friends and company mates then I will help you to push forward to GM's and Koei as best as I can.

Remember, the petition has to be formal and neat for better understanding and better chances if you follow the format which I've used.

UWO is too big to afford by couple GM's we have. If we do nothing, they have no clue at all.

Let's focus more on minimum efforts and maximum results to get things done quickly.

purplepirate · July 2018

why not just use the 'suggestions" section of the forum?

HanukkahHarry · July 2018

Hasn't this game "been dying" since 2010?

NaverUWO · July 2018

@purplepirate

Eh, I personally do not like Papaya forum as it is really poorly designed with restriction and also cannot even edit. I already proved that my method was more effective than spamming in 'Suggestion' forum as it is hard to find out which is more priority for GM's.

CrzyPsycoChick · July 2018

Not to rain on the parade or anything but… doesn't the GM and CA's feel some type of way about you after you went on that rant about them and dissed all of them? Not trying to bash you or rub it in your face Im bringing this up for a valid reason… how are you going to push our ideas to GM and CA if you're on their bad side? This is a very fair and valid question…

Maybe a better idea would be instead of you doing this why dont you get Caddy Or Gazi or Alianore or Blake to do this? They have a better rapport with the GM and player base and they'd listen to them. This is a good idea with these 50 signatures then escalate to GM btw maybe make it more like govt. Where CA's look at ideas and if it gets enough support they escalate to GM based on popularity and feasibility?

Welcome back to Uwo game needs more villians lol

WesDoobner · July 2018

I have a great suggestion - people should grow up and quit being douches on the merch chat channel. People will bicker and argue and insult each other and block the channel from being used for regular buying and selling. And then even worse, when a CA says cool down a little they get huge chips on their shoulders and act like keyboard commandos talking crap on the CA's who are in a tough spot and just trying to make it better for everyone. I have a theory - the people that do that are probably some super jackasses IRL.

NaverUWO · July 2018

@CrzyPsycoChick

I am actually more fair than most of you guys think. I just used noise marketing to get things done.

GM asked me I am reported because I invested too much in several cities so I suggested GM's to make Captain Ticket untradable and have been surveying around to check how people think about it.

I do not mind having some penalties myself as long as the game goes to right track for everyone.

Also, I certainly do not trust several CA's we have.

They will not even try to persuade GM's if things are not in their taste.

That is not what we want and we want a result at least from Koei side.

If you want to make difference, get me at least 50 signatures. I will help you to push forward.

fields1234 · July 2018

I myself agree this forum is flawed but using a another forum to get ingame things sorted I don't think is the way forwards, why not just get the 50 signitures in your sugestions on forums?

Personally I have never had any issues with any of the CA's but also they themselves only have so much they can do when passing ideas to GMs, it's not like they can hold the GMs at gun point and say 100 players want XYZ to happen, they can only suggest ideas, lets face it some of these ideas that do come around are perhaps not even in Papayas control and lay soley at Koei's door and they point blank say F*** off, but ofcourse everyone will blame papay for it saying they not doing anything.

As with the idea of cap tix being untradeable, I think that wouldbe a mistake, however I do equally agree that they are used as a 300m cheque or whatever they are worth at the moment. I do not know the answer to the problem but I do not think making items untradeable is the answer we all want. A lot of people like myself like the freedom of open trade as I can maybe do a few nanban runs and if I feel lucky source a few tickets maybe and try them...... I personally not done that myself yet, but I would like the freedom of how I spend my ingame money without limits.

I think what we need is a GM to actually play the game, learn more about the game, I think the problem is the GMs do not play the game and therefore do not feel the game and perhaps any of its current flaws. Yes many people do not want to see another coolwind example, I get that but I do think the GMs need to be more ingame, even if they just try the game till they say level 50 in adv trade and battle and get some skills together, maybe join a company and just in general feel the game.

I'm in no way suggesting they play full time, just mearly sugesting they feel the game and then hopefully feel the problems and therefore maybe have a better feel for the game in general and then maybe can offer better events possibly and appriciate the UWO culture of players..

NaverUWO · July 2018

@fields1234

I myself agree this forum is flawed but using a another forum to get ingame things sorted I don't think is the way forwards, why not just get the 50 signitures in your sugestions on forums?

- Because with limited moderation, it's hard to get 50 signatures and will most likely lead to unnecessary argument which is obstruction to make it happen. Petition requires only supporters not those who disagree with. Decisions will be on Koei's hand.

Personally I have never had any issues with any of the CA's but also they themselves only have so much they can do when passing ideas to GMs, it's not like they can hold the GMs at gun point and say 100 players want XYZ to happen, they can only suggest ideas, lets face it some of these ideas that do come around are perhaps not even in Papayas control and lay soley at Koei's door and they point blank say F*** off, but ofcourse everyone will blame papay for it saying they not doing anything.

- Eh, everyone already know one of CA's like to exploit the game system in their favor. I will not mention the name. And that's our rights as a customer whether we blame publisher or not.

You guys never pushed hard so never had any changes.

As with the idea of cap tix being untradeable, I think that wouldbe a mistake, however I do equally agree that they are used as a 300m cheque or whatever they are worth at the moment. I do not know the answer to the problem but I do not think making items untradeable is the answer we all want. A lot of people like myself like the freedom of open trade as I can maybe do a few nanban runs and if I feel lucky source a few tickets maybe and try them...... I personally not done that myself yet, but I would like the freedom of how I spend my ingame money without limits.

- I have been taking survey last weekend and 90% of players 'agreed' to make it untradable. Where is your 'A lot of people like myself' assumption coming from?

I think what we need is a GM to actually play the game, learn more about the game, I think the problem is the GMs do not play the game and therefore do not feel the game and perhaps any of its current flaws. Yes many people do not want to see another coolwind example, I get that but I do think the GMs need to be more ingame, even if they just try the game till they say level 50 in adv trade and battle and get some skills together, maybe join a company and just in general feel the game.

- Hell no, if GM's playing the game it will open to risk of conflict of interests. Not only limited to abusing power but illegal trade regardless. All they need is better communication with the community.

WesDoobner · July 2018

I agree that having a GM that plays is a good idea so they understand the game, but there would have to be safeguards to prevent abuse. I absolutely disagree with making cap tickets untradeable. Everything should be tradeable.

Alianre · July 2018

I am not going to weigh in on the petition issue, but I will say this:

We do have a sheet that report player suggestions that the GMs review. I regularly add things to this sheet from conversations I see in World Chat or from the Suggestions section of this forum. Some of the posts in the latter, I will add a comment that I am forwarding their suggestion to the GMs. I do not troll company forums for their discussions, largely because I am going to look at a central location.

There are guidelines, however. What that means is there are parameters to what we can suggest, in that some things will be just "that is not possible." I have no bias against any player, a good suggestion is a good suggestion...and if the GMs think it is possible, then we might see it happen!

Kind regards,

[CA]Alianore

fields1234 · July 2018

Obviously I don't mean to play proper just enough so they understand the problems and get a feel for the game, for example the hardness it is to grind certain skills, just get a feel of the players hate and joys about the game, what I didn't mean is to play the game and become king or queen of everything UWO and play to win everything etc, but just play the game for say a month or so to get a clue about the game they are GMs. That way they will hopefully make more informed decissions concerning the game rather than make the wrong decisions.

NaverUWO · July 2018

I am not going to weigh in on the petition issue, but I will say this:

We do have a sheet that report player suggestions that the GMs review.

- And GM's do not know what is more priority since they do not have knowledge nor the signatures from certain part of the community.

I regularly add things to this sheet from conversations I see in World Chat or from the Suggestions section of this forum.

- How many things have been accepted so far? I see nothing but my petition.

Some of the posts in the latter, I will add a comment that I am forwarding their suggestion to the GMs.

- That can be twisted multiple times from the original issue by mixing up CA's personal preference.

I do not troll company forums for their discussions, largely because I am going to look at a central location.There are guidelines, however.

- Political correctness has been delaying every suggestions that player made and ultimately damaged the game for long time. If you actually took my petition and noise marketing as a 'troll', I am disappointed in your short vision.

What that means is there are parameters to what we can suggest, in that some things will be just "that is not possible." I have no bias against any player, a good suggestion is a good suggestion...and if the GMs think it is possible, then we might see it happen!

- GM's do not know what is possible or not until they get responses from Koei.

Even if it is a good suggestion, it may not accepted if it takes too much coding or money. But if a suggestion contains at least 50 or 100 signatures of players, they may reconsider it and and invest into that improvement.

NaverUWO · July 2018

If no one does anything, the actual owner of the Papaya Play will make a decision to sell out or announce the server closure as they do not see any point to invest anymore in the game.

They are inexperienced and we already have this repeated circumstances many times.

We cannot continue this situation anymore and there are no guarantees that new companies will do better. If you guys are just waiting until they make improvement, good for you, you are saving the time unlike myself but you guys must understand that none of my proposals/petitions were for my personal advantage. It is for everyone and I just want to see the game become more populated so that we can see more group activities once again.

Alianre · July 2018

@NaverUWO

I meant trolling as in the fishing reference, as one trolls as they sail to gather fish. Meaning, I do not visit company forums scanning for their ideas. I come here as it is supposed to be the primary place to report bugs, discuss things, suggest things, etc. I was merely speaking for myself, not commenting on what players do nor not do...just how I, as a CA try to help with player suggestions. Please do not make what you want out of my words.

When we put things on the suggestions list, the GMs weigh their possibility, and then then ask about impact, value and so forth. I personally think putting up regular surveys on the forum, by the GMs, about these viable suggestions would be a good way to measure player response.

There have been some things accepted, and they may not be instantaneous but for later implementation. And some things, just cannot be done. That is for the GMs to communicate when they see fit, and perhaps they can communicate those sorts of things as well... or maybe not, I do not question them on their abilities and/or limitations.

[CA]Alianore

NaverUWO · July 2018

@Alianore

I understand your way of handling issues and it is good to keep your reputation up while having less responsibility and stress overall. It's easy trust me and I was like that for long time. However, I hope you do know that Uncharted Waters Online is not in good shape anymore to have that kind of mild attitude. We need to push important issues that must be fixed for players and we must highlight our desires to GM's and Koei in order to get things done more effectively even if it takes so much efforts and sacrifices.

fields1234 · July 2018

Okay my last post on this

captain tickets prices and worth and way they are traded = Player driven

Prices of certain items = Player driven again

The reason the economy is such a mess again = You guessed it player driven

Who gets the blame for the above? = Papaya and Koei.

What about stop buying at stupid prices in the first place?

I do agree that some problems are perhaps papaya and Koeis part, but instead all their time is being diverted to player caused problems.

Everytime they try to run events half the server is like "Oh what a C*****y event this was" and "This was fixed" and "Oh GMs let XYZ player win" Then you get some people that want a event like the vikings current event but then say "This is C**p". No host can win, there will be people always complaining about things.

As for other issues, yes I think Papaya should invest in some advertisements for the games they host but we said that about OGP equally, but also maybe us as players can equally share screenshots from the game on twitter and facebook and game forums they go to. Spread the word, share videos they seen of UWO, do stuff to help publise the game and increase the population.

In a ideal world we would have everything the way we like it, stop being snowflakes all the time, we have enough of that with facebook and twitter with people complaining about stuff, being keyboard warriors and all that.

Anyway as I said my last post on this matter.

HanukkahHarry · July 2018

Oh boy. Methinks that nothing good will come of this thread...

CrzyPsycoChick · July 2018

@NaverUWO

Two issues

1.Perception: This is the most important thing as the state of the game is one way to one person and completely different to another. One player says all traders must be farmed to make the game perfect while another says I have no desire to play if they can be farmed. Or another example Papaya removes the 24 immunity rule and people say nice Papaya is making steps to make it more fair while you say this is nothing and doesn't go far enough… See my point.

2. Trust: Personally as much as we fight I do respect you and Pie and me we're Do'ers we take action while I disagree with your ESTJ MBTI personality type method of doing things ie.. Loud and disrespectful without listening to others only your point of view, at least you're trying with that said. I have lots of suggestions some dumb some really good but I'd only trust these petitions if you PROMISE to keep an open mind to other players and COMPROMISE and its hard to trust someone who thinks 50% of the playerbase is skill-less and dont belong in this game and their concerns should be ignored. I don't want to suggest an event or idea it get 50 signatures and you tell me ughhh events are stupid and wont fix anything im not pushing your idea or tell others not to sign if you dont like it. Basically no bias and discarding of the belief other players feelings don't matter based on their class of play is the only way this will work. I support if there's no discrimination.

@Alianre

Its hard being a CA and even harder being a GOOD CA so thank you for putting the effort. I think the biggest problem is transparency like if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around did it really fall? The problem is alot of things get suggested but nobody knows whats chosen considered or rejected the suggestion forum is kind of like the graveyard of ideas like things get on there and never heard from again :( This in turn gets interpreted as Papaya is doing nothing when in actuality things are taking place behind the scenes. Maybe this process should be more interactive and seen. Like maybe the GM should make a bi weekly or monthly poll of suggestions and we can vote on them and add input. The GM then posts like 3 ideas for that month with the highest votes that they will consider or if they like one and will use immediately. Then they can say these ideas were rejected for this reason or accepted etc. That would solve alot of the false narrative that Papaya is doing nothing.

I gave three suggestions that I never heard back about or if it can be done or if they liked it

1. GMs holding occasional events in lawless water

2. Adding more bonuses for players that take risks. A boost of 10% speed if you carry 50mil on you and a boost of 20% speed if you carry 100mil on you / excluding those with blue flag. I think this will solve alot of pirate/ bounty hunter incentive issues.

3. UWO Battle League tournament like we had on OG planet the one saul hijacked. Held every 6 months and takes place over 2 or 3 months like a season. This would encourage rivalry and pride and cash sales.

A simple list of suggestions with accepted or rejected for this reason or this needs more clarification will do wonders.

YunoAloe · July 2018

Naver is cute. <3

jamesc0330 · July 2018

Lets start.....

Ok lets go to say football, lets make a petition to Fifa to change the offside rule because we don't like it when we nearly go to score a goal and gets disalowed because of the stupid rule...

Thats simply what you are saying here.....

Also not really sure if your previous really made any difference to the game.. Well not as what you call the benefits

http://prntscr.com/k4h1qt

So to highlight some of the so called benefits

Attracts massive new players.

Has this actually happend that we have attracted any actual new players from the 1 hour piracy?? Do you have any surveys or numbers you would like to share??

Stabilized economy from the increased difficulty in trading.

Not seen any difference to this situation.

More skillful plays for every roles.

Cooperation between traders and bounty hunters.

Many new maritime companies that specializes in bounty hunt/piracy for diplomacy.

Controlling multi character problems by pirates without requiring GM's supervision.

Some may take different routes and take some preperations against, but lets be honest, I don't see people shouting to hire bounty hunters or escorts or seeing people negotiate with pirates. Maybe once again you got some surveys you can share into this.

Now I know not all the ideas in that petition were accepted but even if they were, I don't see how they would change much to make your list of benefits work. All you have really done is made it better for pirates, the very pirates that want the game their way or no other way.

Also why is this thread not in the suggestion sections? Afterall it's a sugestion topic afterall.

NaverUWO · July 2018

@jamesc0330

This will happen once it's fully adapted without any modifications on my petition.

https://bubbl.us/NDc2NDI1OS85MTQyNDkzLzVjYjIzNDQ3ODM0NTE5MGIyZTA1MGQ4ZTBhZjA1MzA0-X?utm_source=shared-link&utm_medium=link&s=9142493

Culvern · July 2018

Once again someone starts whining about pirates and the rules.
Piracy is such a small part of the game and has almost NO impact on traders.
All the ones that whine about it are not getting pirated or are losing next to nothing when they do, so what is all the crying about?
The change to the 1 hour rule is nice, but has it really affected anyone? I will hunt for hours and I have yet to hit more than 1 person that was the same within about 4 hours.
So stop your whining about pirates, this thread is not at all about them.

This conversation is an attempt by a player to help all of us players make suggestions that may help improve the game.

Will it work? Make a difference? I don't know but at least he is attempting to make a positive difference.

jamesc0330 · July 2018

@culvern

I been attacked what twice in 2 months???????? So I must be against pirates because I don't agree to the great master plan??????

Koei has made the game, the game is what it is, everyone knows what the rules are. as with my example about football above it.... Lets just change the rules so a certain side can benefit from it....

I realise it does not pay for pirates at the moment, but instead of changeing the rules lets address the problem of alt farming that many pirates do.... This is the real reason people can't have nice things or decent events....... Some people will say "NO MORE ALTS" Thats fine but once again what does that actually solve?? Players will quit, possible new reset to make it fair? Lose even more players?????

Eventually we will lose more than just players, we will lose the game completly because of the constant "This game should go this way or that way" type ideas. We do not need a external forum to post ideas and petitions.

To be fair IF and it's a big IF the game went into sandbox mode and only player v player battles were BC's and mocks and ESF then great, I'm sure a lot of people will even like that and MIGHT even be more people wanting to play against other people. I honestly think it would even bring more players into the server possibly. People that might like to roleplay doing stuff or love other sandbox type games like the Sims for example and give them a purpose.But I do not know if my idea would bring new players or not, and this is something that is the issue when people use that line.

I'm trying my best not to argue with people ideas, but it has to be said that we gone through many hosts now, we do not really know if Papaya would rather just chuck us off back to Koei because of the constant bitching of the game.

If you like the game, then play it the way Koei have made the damn game, if you don't like the game in the current form, don't slam the door on the way out. It's really that simple.

Alianre · July 2018

@CrzyPsychoChick

I actually suggested the very thing you said above when our sheets were first created. I would have to go back in the conversation, but it was something along the lines of the GMs coming up with a few responses to the various statuses set for suggestions that then could be put onto the forum thread.

I do think communication is vital, but unless I am authorized to say something I will/can not.

I understand the frustration, and I may be too passive by some standards, but I do take an active role. But as merely a player with some brackets around some letters in front my name, I do not have the power to force a response. Myself, Caddy, Gazi, Blue & Blake all put things forth to the GMs and we do our best to advocate for the players, whether it is a game suggestion or to answer a question or investigate a potential problem/bug/glitch... Can the GMs communicate better? Create surveys that measure player response within the realm of what can be changed or not? Absolutely, but until they feel that is something they can do (or if, as we do not know what limitations are placed on them), I will continue to just as I have been.

All player should have a voice for what they think would improve the game. I will never contradict that whatsoever. But with all things, sometimes the answer is "NO," and sometimes, even, it is a "YES." Be prepared to accept either and then continue to play the game.

[CA]Alianore

YinYangSparty · July 2018

Just let the game die, its never going to come back to a healthy population since they don't advertise the game/put it on steam. No new players= the game will die, just let it die there is no point in continuing a dead game filled with trolls and the mentally ill

Spookles · July 2018

@jamesc0330

Ok lets go to say football, lets make a petition to Fifa to change the offside rule because we don't like it when we nearly go to score a goal and gets disalowed because of the stupid rule...

Right, but that's not even close to what's wrong here.

It's more like you score but then aren't allowed to score again for the rest of the match, just gotta defend.

All you have really done is made it better for pirates, the very pirates that want the game their way or no other way.

False, we pirates want this game to be balanced. Would you have fun if you could only do 1 trade run per 24 hours? Only be able to do 1 discovery per 24 hour?

Other proffesions don't have restrictions like pirates have.

Besides our attacking penalty we need more players to sink overall, so we are coming up with idea's to get those players in the game. I understand that a trader or adventurer doesn't really need other players to have fun in this game. We do need them.

Try explaining UWO to a new player:

How does one make money in UWO?

Oh you gotta grow your little ship by doing trade runs from A to B

That sounds interesting, I like the progression part in games!

But how long does a trade run last?

Around 1-4 hours depending where you go and what ship you have.

Alright, what can I do in the meantime?

Uhhhh............ read wiki's or uh.... idk watch Netflix or something.

????? what's the fun in that, nvm I'll go do another MMO were it's not a cookie clicker in a different suit.

Now if there were atleast pirates blocking your path you could say that there's some more challenge to it, you'll have to learn where the pirate chokepoints are get in contact with other players in the area communicate where the threats are. Maybe even get a PVPer as friend and ask/pay him to protect you while you sail around the scary parts.

And that's the magic of UWO, there are no NPCs blocking your path making the game difficult, no it's ALL player driven. That's why UWO is so special compared to other MMORPGs. It's just a shame that the game has been losing population for a while now and new players never have seen the game before it turned to this afk fest.

If you like the game, then play it the way Koei have made the damn game, if you don't like the game in the current form.

I'd love to, truly in the Japanese server there's even a restriction for pirates to have to go back to a pirate port to reset our kill limit of 5 kills.

But they have more players in the game, so that's not that big of an issue and even creates fights around the pirate ports since pirates need to keep coming back there.

Truly we pirates or pvp'ers don't want the game to be set to our hands or anything like that. We just want to have some more fun in our profession, just try to put yourself in our position and you'll see that there's so much that could be improved.

If you can't see how this works

https://bubbl.us/NDc2NDI1OS85MTQyNDkzLzVjYjIzNDQ3ODM0NTE5MGIyZTA1MGQ4ZTBhZjA1MzA0-X

You probably are quite new to UWO, well let me tell you that this is way more fun for everyone.

Spookles · July 2018

Oops didn't realise that my post became so large.

TL;DR

Live and let live.

rangerzfan · July 2018

No fixes to this point have worked. Right or wrong this game on Maris is perceived as a P2W game which is very grindy. Veterans know that there is really nothing to win except a few PvP battles here and there, but that does not change the perception. And many who start the game end up realizing they just do not have the time to put into this level of a grinding game without spending real money on boosts. This game is just not what many are looking for anymore. It would likely take an overhaul to the game and mechanics of the game to even make difference. I do not know how long it will last, but it doesn't take a genius to see the effects of a dying population. Sorry, but this game is in need of more than a fix here or there to become attractive again. It needs Koei to overhaul it for an international player base that is not interested in an Asian grind fest with a broken economy.

WesDoobner · July 2018

I really think the answer is to just play the game as is, and try to discover all the huge varieties of things to do, and learn as much as you can about the game. Not only do we not need people suggesting tons of changes - MOST OF US DON"T WANT CHANGES TO THE GAME!!!! Play the game if you want, or don't, but quit trying to redesign the game to your personal tastes. The game is fine, and has been played for many years, and certainly small changes are made from time to time. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is. I personally love the grind, that's what I like about this game, and if they changed that I would be pissed. No game is perfect for everyone, but if you don't like this one then what the hell are you doing here bothering people who love it?

Culvern · July 2018

It's crazy for all those that say the game is good as is. It is obvious that those that say that are fairly new to the game and have never had the pleasure of enjoying what the game once was.

For the most part I believe the mechanics of the game are fine as is. What is broken is the population.

Those that are complaining that pirates are trying to change the rules don't understand that the pirates are asking that the changes that have already happened be removed.
That the traders have been getting the changes they keep asking for, for the past 6 years.

We need players. One or two little changes to a rule is not what is making or breaking the game.
Lack of population is.
The game is old, outdated, and a niche game.
Population will be hard to acquire.

I understand those that say it's dying. It has been slowly losing population since I started playing 6-7 years ago.
I doubt it will suddenly rebound.
I fear the worst and hope for the best.

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This will happen once it's fully adapted without any modifications on my petition.