Uncharted Waters Online more like Lawless Waters Online

Pheonixii · July 2018

Well ...

Come the 1st August update, pirates will have the ability to very quickly turn all hostile waters to lawless, by spamming alts... what use are tributes then!

I hope PP have got login stats that they can monitor to see the state of the game before and during the trial period, as I am certain they will a marked drop off, just reading some of the comments on this forum, let alone the folks that don't comment on the forum.

If I see the world chart going red in E.A, India, S.E Asia, Carib, then I will for one log out until after the trial period. If after the trial period they keep the new rule then I am out if the above comes to reality.

Keeping an open mind, just hope folks don't abuse the opportunity to turn the sea red :-)

purplepirate · July 2018

Back early in Maris start, we had a lot of problems with 'multiboxers' people using 5 alt fleets to nanban. A lot of people got banned back then for breaking the TOS. Papaya came online and admitted that they CAN monitor people' ip's and how many ip's are coming from the same household. So yes apparently they have the ability to potentially police this. I just hope they start using this to stop not only pirates/BH's from manipulating the seas but also to stop alt farming for noto/honor.

Culvern · August 2018

It's true they can monitor. Wish people realized that people with 2 alts and Clermont do far more damage to the game than a few pirates ever could.
But they all justify that for themselves.

carlalex · August 2018

Culvern, why does it bother you that people trade ? What harm does that do to the game, to you or anything/body else ?

Unlike you they dont interfere with your gameplay.

chronofox · August 2018

@pheo
u do know pirates could turn seas red befor even with the 1hr timers all they had to do was log alt out after hitting it and log back in it resets the timer lol

@carlalex

Alts do a lot of harm lot more markets crashed normal goods selling for less .Higher player market prices because every one that uses alts makes a retarted amount of $$ 8-9k cargo is op as hell.

Also with alts every one gets the mind set ill do every thing my self and in turn makeing it hard to really sell any kind of gear or cannons

so ya alts do hut some parts of the game .If u have not tried it run with one toon a new one and see the huge diff in all most every thing.U will see your window of how u can make $$ is very few and far.

The only thing alts dont really affect much is adv.

theedgedemon · August 2018

@chronofox
u do know pirates could turn seas red befor even with the 1hr timers all they had to do was log alt out after hitting it and log back in it resets the timer lol

yes @chronofox the difference is they could the sea red but they still could not farm you.

since red seas have EVEN SMALLER TIME FOR VICTIMS TO GET TO SAFETY, now they can turn the sea red and farm players with more ease because it is red.

wsp414 · August 2018

@Pheonixii: Hello 0 post person. Keeping an open mind? What you just said isn't open-minded.

Anyway since you are so scared shitless of lawless waters and being farmed. Why don't you create a pirate alt, and farm him in your sea of choice? say EA, or SEA, depending on if you are a spice trader or nanbanner. Since farming your alt doesn't seem to be against any rules atm. Then you can enjoy your single player game.

@chronofox: Alts do affect adv. Dungeon runs with alts? vinland quest with alts? Farming headache meds with alts? hmmmm

Poopiepants1 · August 2018

Wsp you are my second favourite player that I miss since leaving UWO. xD

carssman · August 2018

More whining.

UWO has become super sensitive trader white undies whine online!

VictoriasSecret · August 2018

As theedgedemon said already, nothing is changing in that regard, you have always been able to farm alts to make oceans safe or lawless. Logging a toon in and out resets the count down timer - and always has. To help clear up any other misunderstandings among the pearl clutchers, you can only have (iirc) 3 seas lawless at any given time.. and only certain waters can go lawless. You will never make the Atlantic lawless or anywhere around Europe. (You know people turned seas safe by farming pirate alts too right)

90% of the whining about this is just ignorance, it's giving me PTSD from deck battle arguments.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

@carssman

I respect your criticism but will you be the only player so far who supports it with the courage to be willing to take full responsibility and accountability if this new policy fails and causes mass quitting?

Criticism without accountability means nothing just means you don't really agree with what you're saying...

Poopiepants1 · August 2018

Cpc you are my most favourite player that I miss since leaving UWO. xD

FleabagNO1 · August 2018

Purple ???? what in the hell sort of BS you talk????

"Back early in Maris start ......" Maris now is NOT even a year old ....." I wonder if you and some other fools voted for the wipe ...as much as you now defend farming ! UWO is older than 15 years... a game that stayed at top list NO 2 during all the time. An extremely good game. Unfortunately lately there is too much influence to wreck the game.

You all want to see the sea populated with ships ???

Get your A out of port and hunt ships ..NOT sit at port with spies and wait for a ship to leave ....

You guys complaint .. you talk about crybabes ..... actually i see you as crybabes ...

wanting to farm traders without risking anything!

You get upset that ppl use flags! What do u expect? Let YOU take over their goods without fight and creative ideas to secure their goods?

Actually the only i have seen real hunting been Culvern, Nukeshaw and his partner and before on Gama a few pirates. Else you guys sit at port and whine for traders use flags to get out.

Domina loved to hunt from jakarta until Cape and further ...thats what i call a pirate !

But you guys here badmouth traders who definitly sail long tours ..wait sometimes hours for a decent trade and then ARE NOT willing to hand over their goods?

I fully understand every trader staying at EU and spending their time with raising trade/construction skills or boykott the event alltogether. At a rate of 80% trade/adv and even less 20% marit i understand if many dont care to risk frustration again and look for alternative games.

.what are pirates without prey.. ... NOTHING ..especially its NOT them supporting the game ...

guess that will solve the problem in the end...

purplepirate · August 2018

@FleabagNO1 oh great another TROLL that has absolutely no clue of what they are talking about. Yes this sever is only 9 months old and if you were even part of it back at the beginning then you would know the it was plagued with people running 5 atl fleets and that there was a lot of banning back then. Anyone who actually played back then know this, but i can see that your 14 posts shows that you aren't even part of this forum let alone the game. If you don't believe me then ask someone who actually did play in those first few months and/or go back and read for yourself the thread posts from back then.

Your comment about the age of this game is also inaccurate, The game was created in 2004 but for Asia only! It didn't even come to america until 2010 you fool. I may not have been playing back in the netmarble days but i at least know how to do my research and give accurate facts. And just in case you are that clueless, it's 2018 now which would make the North American server 10 years old not 'over 15 years' that you seem to think.

As for your accusation about me farming people and wanting the wipe, i'm not even going to justify that with a response. You're one of those morons that thinks that just because the word 'Pirate' appears in this account name that that means "oh she must be a pirate and a farming griefer" but you couldn't be more wrong. Just like a poor marksman you completely missed the target. Do you even play this game? You should've called yourself Fleabrain because that would more accurately describe your smarts lol. Go back under the bridge you crawled out from TROLL...

purplepirate · August 2018

*less than 10 years old

papaya please add edit to your forums! lol

Culvern · August 2018

@altlover if you don't think alts affect the economy perhaps you should try buying a 60B boat with only using an alt..........oh wait that would be impossible.
So excuse me for not running the price up so high on everything.

ssd21345 · August 2018

There is a more effective measure against multiboxer rather than single ship player

Make ppl lvl who are in fleet stack. Only applies 1 min green flag nerf to higher lvl. All other who is at mid to mid-high level get like 10-30 mins.

SailorPapaya · August 2018

@Culvern

"It's true they can monitor. Wish people realized that people with 2 alts and Clermont do far more damage to the game than a few pirates ever could.

But they all justify that for themselves."

I am a trader, and I used 3 toons.

And this is not the first time I found myself agreed with Culvern. It seems many of our opinions share the same.

YES, I AGREED ON THAT.

But Culvern, you have to understand. It is not the fault of the traders, it is Papaya's. Papaya do NOT have the courage to limit the toon available for playing to 1.

It is been long I suggested this to Papaya. Papaya do not want to listen.

When you want to reset the server, clear off everything people has grind for 3 years, 7 years, or even 10 years.

YOU MUST HAVE A VERY GOOD F" REASON

Papaya do not give the players any obvious and clear reason for that.

They limit the post in the forum from the the frustrated players. Frustrated and worried players have no place to sound their concern and opinions.

They did not give any good reason for resetting the server. That is totally not a good way of managing things.

I refuse to join uwo when I found that I don't even have a chance to speak in the forum. OGP didn't do that. Netmarble didn't do that. It makes no reason Papaya can do that. So when they took away the freedom of speech from the players in this time of 21th century, I will not play a game under such publisher.

I changed my mind and start to consider to join, when I found myself able to post in the forum. That shows respect to the rights of the freedom of speech to everyone. I decided to join when I found on Cadillac plays in the server as well.

Notice what Papaya had done wrong, even that I do not wish the game is reset as well, but I realize I had to surrender to the wish of Papaya and just have to play the game in a harder and harsher condition.

I am talking about the wish of the majority of the gamer WHOLE WIDE. The entire world.

What does the majority of the gamer in the world wants?

1. Refuse Pay To Win

2. Hate to see cheaters in game

3. Disgusted by a lot of "bots" in the game

These are the THREE, majority stuff gamer reject world wide.

Can you see the similarity in these 3 facts?

>>>>> They lead to a more clean and healthy gaming environment <<<<<<<

SailorPapaya · August 2018

Yes. The majority of the gamer is yelling to be able to play in a more clean and healthy environment.

Without cheats. Without bots. Without p2w.

So when you want to reset the server. You must have a very, very good, strong reason.

You must have a very honorable intention, to do so.

So people WILL FORGIVE YOU, even if you reset the server.

So I advise Papaya. Try to offer the gamer of uwo, a clean gaming environment. Limit the toon to 1. If you really cannot do that. Limit it to 2.

A toon, has a ship. With its aide, it is 2 ships. It is enough cargo for it.

It is enough.

Adventurers usually play with 1 toon.

Pirates usually play with 1 toon.

Only traders plays multiple toons.

So when you limit the toons, it only affects trader the most. It helps control the worsen economy in the server since every cannot make so much money now, it is an advantage.

So when you reset the server, let's say you make it comes with a great announcement.

"We, Papaya, is concerned about players in uwo. We wished for their best and decided to offer them a more healthy gaming environment. We announce that every player is limited to one toon, and no more. We want the player to be able to enjoy the game, increase the interaction between themselves, but not putting themselves as slaves in game by playing too many alternate ids that burden themselves, as well as bringing negative impact into the game play. We want to give all the uwo players a total different environment to experience with this new reset of server. This serve as a purpose when we decide to take over uwo in the west region. We wish all the best for the players, and enjoy the game."

So do you see the differences in marketing?

You reset the server - reason = give plunderable to pirates. >> Booo~~~ you just want to earn money

You reset the server - reason = give plunderable + no alternates in game >> It looks like they try to improve the uwo in their own sense of way. Maybe I will try it.

I am a trader, a pure and full nanbaner in OGP. When I suggest this idea, it brings most negative impact on myself.

But even so, I had to suggest it because this is not about myself. This is for the good of the majority.

Uwo is an old game, I realize that. We cannot be selfish anymore. If everyone does that for themselves, the game will not last any longer.

I had invested so much time in this game, I like this game, and I want it to continue. So I must suggest something that is good for him. Not for my own purpose and to destroy him.

What Papaya fail to understand is this. When you limit the game play to one toon, it will DEFINITELY decrease your profit at the start.

But the whole, entire point, is to seduce more and more players to come to play uwo. You must be able to endure the first stage of pain, only you can enjoy the profits that comes in behind.

With enough player base, then you can slowly find your ways to earn your profit, by introducing more cash shop items to help the players to play the game easier.

Papaya refuse to take the risk to endure the first stage of pain. This is a long term investment.

They prefer to take the short term profit by giving the pirates what they want since they are the group that spent the most.

We all know this is only leading to the path of slow-death. You die slowly by doing that. So I keep advised them, but they do not want to take it. Everything I suggested, are selfless. I meant for the good of the overall of the game play in uwo. Not for one single group of players?

This suggestion works best when the time, you reset the server. It doesn't mean it is suitable for now. Now is like uwo is such as a patient with heart attack problem. I don't even know if it can survive in any form of surprise changes.

You have to understand. Limit the character to ONE toon, is hard for the players, yes. But it is like forcing a diabetes kid to reduce his food, forcing a person not to smoke when his lung is almost gone, forcing a person stop taking drugs when he is already addicted to it.

You will be scolded, criticized, but they know in their heart, it is for their own good.

When you take away the drugs from the person who is already addicted to it, he will jump. But he knows, he knows you are trying to help him.

So don't be afraid, go ahead and try it. People with good behaviors and sense of moral, will come to support you. They will.

So when you market the brand new uwo ----> to the world

Now Uncharted Waters Online in the West Region will be announced "Free of alternates" and everyone is limited to one ship in playing. The server is now restarted as new to grant player a better game play. So what are you waiting for? Come and join Uwo in a brand new environment!"

You have yourself a slogan.

You have yourself a mission. To host uwo and make it a better environment to play with.

Why can't you bet on that, endure the first stage of pain, and drags more players come into your game?

It is not that we didn't try to help and suggest to papaya. It is them who do not know which one to take. They do not know what is best for themselves. So in the end, what can we do? Just watch and suggest only then.

ssd21345 · August 2018

how can we use storage alt if it's limited 1 toon? I think should limit to 2 toon

purplepirate · August 2018

@ssd21345 you can have upto 3 accounts logged in on the same ip

ssd21345 · August 2018

@purplepirate why you only read my reply read my reply above

Tini555 · August 2018

I know it is early days but seas are normal there has been movement by pp relaxing a bit on the pirate issue e.g newbies safe subject to levels and... No reports of pirate abuse!
The population looks the same to me. Thou things can change quiet quickly... so far so good,thou if you are a r20 sb, must be a bit peeved now you can make a ship at r1 after all that grinding _ off topic sorry... is it true you only need higher sb levels just to add extra mods?

Culvern · August 2018

As far as alts go......you can't put the ginie back in the bottle. Wish we could but there is no changing that now.
As for the off topic shipbuilding: r20 SBer's are still needed to get good/great success on mods. Also needed for modding ships due to SBer required level to mod ships.
You can build an at r1 but you can't mod em all.

purplepirate · August 2018

The real problem is alt farming not white player farming. If Papaya really wants to fix this game then you shouldn't be allowed to attack your own ip(s) except for mocks/BC/ESF events.

Tini555 · August 2018

Thanks for clarifying Culvern.
I also agree with your comments Purplepirate.

Culvern · August 2018

I must admit that I was tempted today to attack a fleet for the second time.
Seen them on his at least his second nanban run with the usual Clermont alts....and thought I should hit him again and get a second tribute and another 100k.

I did not, but starting to think maybe I should start regulating those that are killing the economy for the new players.

New players are actually affected by the high prices of everything which IS caused by massive inflation due to created currency from nanban.
I don't think pirates affect the new players as much since we cannot attack them at all.

And *genie for my previous post.

carlalex · August 2018

Why do you insist on repeating the "nanban destroys the economy" BS - the largest source of ducats in game by far is selling ticket/treasure chest stuff ?

And no we dont have inflation - we have a few items greedy resellers and desparate buyers drive the price up on, while most prices remain stable or go down.

PO cost the same, food is dirt cheap, qmp are almost free, RIBs are dirt cheap.

Sure SSIP and SPB prices seem to be going through the roof, but what do neewbies want with those ?

a2b2c2 · August 2018

Reselling bottle items does NOT create game money, it just transfers it.

The biggest source of cash probably isn't Nanban, or any other action. The smallest chest in the UWC shop contains 5x 10 mil checks, and the second has a 100 mil check. There is the main source of the rampant inflation, and since it is official Papaya policy, it's not going away.

I have never understood why people think that traders are taking over a game (not just in UWO). Is that why the Maritime schools are closing? (/sarcasm)

Traders and adventurers allow different player types to contribute to the game, expanding the game population and Papaya income. If there were only pirates in the game, do you think the combat system is so strong that all of these players would do only combat with other pirates for 8 years, let alone 14 or more years? UWO has lasted all this time because it has a variety of things to do for a variety of player types. Removing players who enjoy crafting and adventuring from the game will only hurt Papaya's player base and income. Those players will not be magically replaced by more maritimers. And the pirates who think they have it tough now, will not survive when they can no longer fight defensless traders.

a2b2c2 · August 2018

*defenseless.

rangerzfan · August 2018

Those worried about PP income should realize income generation is the business's responsibility not ours. If they can't run a business, it is their fault. We should spend where and when we want to, but we should not take this to some kind of Welfare-for-the-struggling-gaming-company level. Like with any other business, we should vote with our wallet. Supposedly, if this becomes permanent, then we are going to see another large loss of players. If it is only a trial, then some pirates will likely leave. I guess PP will have to pick its poison. And Nanban is not killing the economy. The economy on Maris started souring after the first couple of tickets. Not enough time for IQs to be finished. I have little doubt some players had transferred over 10 or more toons who received transfer bonus goods and checks.

Uncharted Waters Online more like Lawless Waters Online

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