The History of Naver in Uwo

SailorPapayaSailorPapaya Posts: 81Member Beginner
I personally joined the game late, I know a little bit but not all of his history.

Naver is the name that comes to my attention when this guy flips all the ports into Venice in EU in one single night.

This name is also the name that is hated and disliked by most of the France player and comps. They don't like him for a reason.

But I do.

The bad stuff I disagree on Naver is, most of the stuffs he suggested, is unwise. If you cannot understand that properly, you could make it clearer by understood in this way: most of the stuffs he suggested, are retarded.

The good stuff I like about Naver is, this guy has guts. I do not agree on his opinions, but I admire his insist on what he believes. He pursue it and he make great effort for what he believes.

In OGP, when everyone in the game, in the company, boycott this person. I heard stories from my comp as well, since one of my alt comp is France. But I want to hear his side of story. So one day, I saw this guy speaking on the Merchant Chat, I am curious about him. I gave him a message and I introduce myself.

So I asked him what's going on, and why he does that, does this. He must have his reason to continue his way, alone, even when everyone disagrees with him. I want to know his reasons.

So Naver told me. He was once in the company in France. He did a great deal to help the company as well as for the traders of France. One day, disagreement happen between him and his fellow comp mates, as well as the majority of the players of the France comp. They deserted him and refuse to join him in his path.

There is where Naver went and formed his new company, and where he do stuffs such as flips the entire ports in EU in one night (Epic lol), more aggressive towards traders in piracy actions.

This guy wants attention.
He wants to be respected.

This is what I can feel from him.

He felt he is mistreated. He is been mistreated unfairly. He contributes but no one appreciates it. He has done nothing wrong he believes, and so he proceed his way.

I like this guy. I like people who have the courage to stand against a big crowd by his own. That kind of strong will. Strong mind. I like that kind of guy.

The same I do respect people like Gays or Lesbians, Transgender. It is not because I am one of them, but when I see the whole world split on them, curse on them, scold them, tease them and humiliate them, and I am seeing what they did, does not actually affect nothing to the others but their own bodies. They are just a minor group that has a different opinion and they do surgeries on their own bodies. Their own bodies, their rights. Even you do not agree with them, you do not humiliate them. This is my firm stand of point.


When I am looking at problems, I tend to look into the root of the problems to solve it.

Pirates are the groups that spent the most in the server. They should be given enough attentions and respects, but not whatever they demand, must be given fully.

For players like me, normal people who spend on their own budget, we have no routes to communicate with the authority of Papaya. Except through this forum which whoever or no one will read it, nobody knows.

So why don't Papaya consider, to pay a respect to the pirates of the players, who had spent to a certain amount, will enjoy the "VIP" status and privilege, to be able to contact and communicate with the person in charge, directly?

By then they do not have to go through petitions, whatever they have some suggestion to discuss, they can come directly to the person in charge.

So what I suggest here is, why don't Papaya consider to set up an email, that is served only for players who spent till a certain amount, that he will be able to send emails to this address to the person in charge of uwo directly?

Paying respect and attention to the players who spent a lot in your game, is an honorable act offered to them. Because no one else in the server can, but only them.

I personally think Naver was not entirely wrong in his past of the history. He is just doing things a bit too straight and it offends a lot of his friends in games and which what makes him a lone player on his own.

I like straight people, rather than cunning people. I like his bravery. But you got to pay this man some respect, especially if when he spent a lot, but his voice is not being listened.

Pay this man a respect. That's my suggestion.
purplepirateSpooklesbarrett190Nonskiller

Comments

  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    I agree with a lot of what you said and disagree with a lot as well.

    While I respect that you try to see the "bigger" picture I try to do that to do I just see it a lot differently let's start at the beginning.

    Quid Pro Quo
    You said him and his original company splintered after Naver did a lot now to me this is how I see it and why I'm so ticked off with this piracy thing...I feel like PP only did this because Naver and co. spends a lot so it seems as if he feels he can do whatever he wants and others must bend the knee as long as he pays/ contribute a lot.  Not cool if you going to help...help but it doesn't mean you should get anything you want or that your opinion is more important than anyone elses.  I feel like this quid pro quo which is being forced on all of us and isn't fair.


    Radicalization
    If your company splits with one of its prime members a normal person would ask hey let me reflect on my self and ask why did this happen. Now I cant speak to much on this  I wasn't there I only speak on my personal encounters and from what I've experienced he's VERY Radical has very extreme views, very rude and over bearing not someone you can rationalize with.  If there was dissent in a past company I'm very inclined to believe he tried to push his extreme views on everyone else due to his spending and sense of entitlement and they said nope not happening hit the road jack. If that didn't happen sorry but based on how he said 1/2 of the players of this game(traders) are skill less and are only here to be farmed by him and how hard he's been forcing this farming thing on us sorry this seems right up his alley.

    Mistreatment
    Mistreated?! Naver is ANYTHING BUT mistreated.  When you have PP bending over backwards to keep his business even after all the mean stuff he said about them publicly sorry you ain't being mistreated you're being pampered. Naver gets back the same energy he puts out if he say 75% of the server is skill less and what they want is irrelevant because they don't spend as much as maritimers...then expect 75% to treat you like sh*t it's really a simple concept. Nobody just woke and said hey I'm bored...let's go hate on Naver for no reason at all sorry a lot of that "mistreatment" is well deserved and he "mistreats" us all the time thats facts.

    VIP money spending a**  kissing list
    This is a terrible idea this will only add more fuel to the fire that PP bends the knee to big spenders and its only going to piss off more players who feel like crap because they not spending their mortgage on a video game.  Its your money you do whatever you want with it but we don't want PP rubbing it in our faces. PP could possibly give bonus gifts for spenders but a list showing who is outspending us will NOT go over well especially after they caved in to Navers piracy rules.

    Naver final thought
    Naver is strong but stubborn as hell he lacks the understanding  to listen to others and compromise it's just not him it's either his way or the highway and if you don't bend the knee you're an enemy I'm sorry cant respect that. This leadership style works for some people but not for all.  He has great determination I'll give him that I still can't believe papaya caved in to him and his demands but alas.  I guess in his world the end justifies the means but at what cost? When it comes to getting what he wants he stops at nothing to get it...but when it comes to compromise and doing what makes everyone happy and meeting in the middle sorry he sucks royally at this.

    He got what he wanted with the piracy farming and we have to give him a chance to prove to us all that it will save UWO and I truly hope he's right...but if he's wrong he will get ALL THE BLAME and the players will NOT hesitate to voice their displeasure and Vitriol to him. So he BETTER be right for his sake...


    genefreak5barrett190
  • miyamotomiyamoto Posts: 47Member Beginner
    LOL i hate to give insider info xD. but i will share this gossipe with u . Naver had a thing with laffie last time and they broke up. SInce then Naver hate french . That it. It used to be he doing it for an attendition for laffie. Now he just a broken guy need some attendation in uwo that all xD.
  • PotatoCannonPotatoCannon Posts: 26Member Beginner
    I will just say that being able to communicate with a GM directly for a player who spends a lot of money aka"VIP" status is a very bad idea. Just because you spend real life money and a lot of it does mean you have a clue about which direction this game should go or how it should be managed. As for Naver, he has his faults and positives just like any player.

    miyamoto

    The thing about the french at one point on OG was that they wanted to hold all of EU and eastern ports, without allowing Venice investment to give the nanban sale bonus at market. We could never have the same PvP power as them in ESF so we decided to take back ports with investment.

    Pawel_
  • miyamotomiyamoto Posts: 47Member Beginner
    1. there arent any much french fleet for pvp esf .
    2.most french are nanbaner and adverturer for sometime from what i know @_@
    3.Venice population is low.
    4.And there a huge disagreement between frence and venice, therefore hosite broke up/
    5.And yes , did laffie had something peronal with naver the answer is YES!. 

    It wasnt just about making balance as u claim , maybe for some point as a venice is. But u didnt look at the angle of being french, and that is for sure.
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    No matter what you think of someone it's not right to gossip in this kind of way.
    barrett190SpooklesIngean
  • miyamotomiyamoto Posts: 47Member Beginner
    Really what kind of respect he deserve , it really surprise me . LOL . U like to carry his balls it seems. if you dare to do something dont afraid of others criticism. 

    I see many players would do anything for free stuff. Have some backbone please ..
  • SailorPapayaSailorPapaya Posts: 81Member Beginner


    For you information, I have seen cases, a lot of cases, in my real life, when a majority despise on a minority, or a single entity, it doesn't mean they are wrong.

    To put it simple. Right or wrong doesn't mean just because when more people are saying that you are wrong, and then you are wrong.

    Even an entire world is saying that Naver is wrong, I won't join in the majority, because I do not know the truth. And truth doesn't come cheap, truth is always costly.


    Fair
    You are talking about fair. One person spend, and another person does not. So fair treatment has to be given to both of them.

    There are 2 different mind set thinking on this same subject.

    One, he spend on his own will. This is a game that is free for all and therefore it must be fair for all.
    Two, I spend so much money and I am given the same treatment as others? This is naive.

    To me, even an airplane has first class and economic class. You spend more, you have more privilege. The world is like that, and it is fair that for a person to receive better treatments because he paid more. Or else why you pay more for? 

    The company doing the business isn't a charity to withhold to the saint concept that everyone must be treated equally. Only Jesus do that, but I am sorry to tell you but not mankind. 

    So there is a precise difference we all must understand, if anyone of you can't understand this basic point, that means your maturity hasn't reached to a point that both party can have an understanding in this topic.

    Take an example.

    You are a customer. You paid more to sit on the first class on a plane.
    You received more privilege, correct?

    So the question here is:
    You have been treated better, but can you decide the life and death on the other passengers on the plane?

    I have money. I want to pay more. I want this particular race sit on front, that particular race sit on back. I want this passenger been thrown off the plane with a parachute at this destination because I don't want to see his face on the plane I sat in.

    No, you cannot do that. No matter how much money you paid.

    You can pay more for more privilege, better treatment. But you cannot pay to decide the life and death of others. 

    So Papaya is being vague on this borderline. That is what I could not agree of. You cannot change the game and allow all pirates to farm on non pirates, non stop. Because this does not give any space for them to survive. It is not because Naver asked for this, you should approve it.

    You want this game to survive? You want those who paid keep paying because they feel it is worth it? Then this is something you have to give in. Else no money who is going to keep the server running? Talking about fair won't make that happen. You got to be constructive and realistic.

    My borderline is, those who spent could have their privilege, but the others must be able to have fun while they play in the game, too.

    Both part isn't happy. 

    Pirates won't be happy because they can't get what they want fully. They can't farm non stop as they like. But they are happy when they can plunder.

    Traders won't be happy because they will still lose items due to plundering. But they are happy as long as they can trade.

    You want a good solution for all? Then every parties must have something they are not satisfied with, and something they are satisfied with.

    When you tried to make only one party satisfied fully and the others are not? Game over man. Its game over.
  • barrett190barrett190 Posts: 2Member Beginner
    *yawns*
  • barrett190barrett190 Posts: 2Member Beginner
    LeFox is right, especially if the subject of that gossip is even worse...
  • NonskillerNonskiller Posts: 12Member Beginner
    I created a Poem Dedicated to this Post > It's not the best, I just how there's a Music Composer who can fix my Poem and turn it into a song... or at least turn my Poem into Lyrics.

    -----

    Poem Inspired by "The History of Naver in UWO"
    Poem created by Captain.Hook, the new Ruler of Venice.


    Lateness of an era I did not know, an history that was untold.
    His name shook the whole world in a single night.
    From the distant starlit sky, Venice went beyond the threshold.
    His name was loathed by the French with no little delight.
    But to why, they disliked him.. they had a reason.
    But.. I care for him.

    ---CHORUS----
    Though what he believed, I did disagree,
    for most of what he spoke and jest, was foreseen unwise.
    What he believed, his ambitions,  ideals, were to me foolish and beyond rational degree.
    But there was a goodness in him, he was brave, and had great size.
    Though I do not like his ideals, I admire him on what he believed.
    A man who would pursue and make transcend what we could not improvise!
    ------

    He was a man boycotted by the world.
    I heard stories from my friends from France,
    and I asked them who this man was, only to know he was a cruel man.
    Yet, I was curious, I wished to learn of his story, of who he was.
    So I ventured forth to the land of Venice for the truth.

    ---CHORUS----
    Though what he believed, I did disagree,
    for most of what he spoke and jest, was foreseen unwise.
    What he believed, his ambitions,  ideals, were to me foolish and beyond rational degree.
    But there was a goodness in him, he was brave, and had great size.
    Though I do not like his ideals, I admire him on what he believed.
    A man who would pursue and make transcend what we could not improvise!
    ------

    When I finally reached Venice, there I saw the greatest man.
    So I went about, and introduced myself.
    A man who built his empire from the dirt in the flash of night.
    So I asked him what's going on, why he goes out to do that he does.
    I asked why he chose his way alone where everyone disapproves of him.
    And so he answered.

    ---------NAVER----------
    My name is the Emperor Naver.
    I was once part of a company in France.
    I brought great strength and ambition,
    so I can help build the foundation of commerce in France.
    However, a certain man I disagreed with, did not see my ideals.
    So they left and abandoned alone in my company house in France...
    They did not believe me, when I said I wished to bring a great rise in our future.
    So I defected France and became a Venetian, alone with nobody but myself.
    But even though the sun did set and the darkness drew near, I did not give in.
    I only fought for what was right and became stronger.
    I truly did believe, that the future of our people, was to be in France, but it was always Venice.
    And in order to bring rise to trade, we needed a stronger army, to fight off the traders and win their treasures.
    ----------

    And so it was that I learned,
    he was a man who wished for attention,
    his desire for respect was yearned!
    And of course I believed what he mentioned.
    He felt he was mistreated, betrayed by all that he contributed.
    He has done nothing wrong, and so he continues to do as he pleases.

    ---CHORUS----
    Though what he believed, I did disagree,
    for most of what he spoke and jest, was foreseen unwise.
    What he believed, his ambitions,  ideals, were to me foolish and beyond rational degree.
    But there was a goodness in him, he was brave, and had great size.
    Though I do not like his ideals, I admire him on what he believed.
    A man who would pursue and make transcend what we could not improvise!
    ------

    This is a man I like the most.
    For this man has courage to patronize.
    To stand against a crowd on his own to boast.
    He had a kind of strong will, a strong mind, a man to truly recognize.

    ----------------------------------------------

    I believe this man was not wrong of his past.
    He's just doing the extreme, which makes everyone despise him.
    He does things for what he believes, he wishes to belong, but nobody would allow him to last.
    He is all alone in his world, a world in which he controlled.

    ---CHORUS----
    Though what he believed, I did disagree,
    for most of what he spoke and jest, was foreseen unwise.
    What he believed, his ambitions,  ideals, were to me foolish and beyond rational degree.
    But there was a goodness in him, he was brave, and had great size.
    Though I do not like his ideals, I admire him on what he believed.
    A man who would pursue and make transcend what we could not improvise!
    ------

    And even though there is so much hate,
    he truly was a brave and ambitious man.
    He should be respected and adored, for he spent alot,
    for the people of Venice, yet his voice would not be heard.

    ---CHORUS----
    Though what he believed, I did disagree,
    for most of what he spoke and jest, was foreseen unwise.
    What he believed, his ambitions,  ideals, were to me foolish and beyond rational degree.
    But there was a goodness in him, he was brave, and had great size.
    Though I do not like his ideals, I admire him on what he believed.
    A man who would pursue and make transcend what we could not improvise!
    ------



  • PhlylgenionPhlylgenion Posts: 18Member Beginner
    edited August 2018
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  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    Naver sank me a few weeks ago, when I still had a red name. I think he was just a little butthurt that I ran my notoriety up to 100,000 by sinking NPC's.
    May the winds blow you well
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