Shipbuilding Changes

lefox271 · August 2018

I've never done SB before - with the latest changes I was encouraged to try it.

Now ... tell me if I am doing something stupid ... but I am getting roughly 1 skill EXP for everyday waiting at sea for my ship to be built.

So for example I build a dhow, which takes 6 days, and I get 6 exp.

A barbarian galley - 10 days - 10 exp.

A transport large galley - 16 days - 16 exp.

I'm at R2 and with SB a preferred skill that means 400 sailing days to reach R3. And to get to my target of R5 (so I can do refits) it will be 3000 sailing days.

And before you ask; I've tried a +3 SB skills manual and a +1 shipwright saw. They make no difference to the exp I get.

Seriously folks - am I doing something wrong?

Or is there something seriously bogus about the way the rule change has affected the SB grind?

dsmack1 · August 2018

It takes a long time to get level sb ....but 3000 minutes aka 50 hours to get from r2 to r5 seems wrong. I don't think r1-10 took 50 hour. Don't even get me started on r10 to r16 though.

I've done the sb20 thing 3 times so far and at your level dhows is what i was making so I don't see you doing anything wrong. The 1exp per day seems just off, I can't see that being right on purpose and if it is, ya they really messed up the sb grind.

byrdmeln

LyonesseJoseph · August 2018

I was aware that latest patch might have been changed sbing formula ,so it looks like novice sbers got less prof regardless of what ships did they make, Since I am r15 sber + 5, I got 200+ prof after I built Maltese Galley. I plan to test on my alt later after she gets sbing skill.

lefox271 · August 2018

Just for comparison purposes (and some advice to novice SBers) don't build barcas - 2 days build time and 1exp.

Try a TLG or a vaisseau you will get 1 bonus exp over the build time!!!!!

It's gonna take 50 hours of just sitting outside the port just to get to R5. Even with an exp bonus it's not a worthwhile grind.

Papaya - you have got to look at this.

Meanwhile I think I'll put my SB career on hold.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

Wait a sec are you saying sbing no longer gives skill prof with every completed ship but points are only earned with each day building at sea???

Say it ain't so...?

Poopiepants1 · August 2018

Shipbuilding sucks.... I wish my ex did....

Culvern · August 2018

The exp can't be right. Unless it got changed big-time. R5 used to be no problem to hit in a few hours.

lefox271 · August 2018

The exp numbers I've given are my actual results. TLG 24 days to build and 25 exp. Vaisseau 28 days and 29 exp.

So yeah the exp formula has been changed big time. 1 exp for each shipbuild day. Or 1 exp for each minute you spend doing nothing!!

ssd21345 · August 2018

According to the Taiwan wiki, sb prof formula = your sb skill rank x sb build time x 0.525

Crimsonbunny · August 2018

Ya i was going to make a post about this my self,After the sb update ranking sb has become next to impossible.Any one just picking the skill up now is never going to hit max it with the new set up that i hope is some kind of bug.

lefox271 · August 2018

Thanks for the responses everyone. At least I know it's not me being dumb.

Do we call this the shipbuilding nerf?

crazyhunter2003 · August 2018

big screwed up SB nerf

rangerzfan · August 2018

Unfortunately, these results are what I was seeing and not believing at first. Yes, this is a huge SB nerf.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

Wow…

So crafting has been nerfed out of existence due to no incentive to make them and putting crafted items in game

Trading is nerfed as pirates can now farm you

Now we can't max SBing anymore due to the EXTREME time it takes to level and this was an already brutal time consuming grind before why make it 10x harder?

Papaya or Koei not sure whos responsible I'm really lost with this game at the moment you took my favorite activities trading , crafting and SBing and made them completely pointless. This game had appeal because not everyone had to be a maritime PVP person you had many different roles and skills you can do but now it seems this game is moving 100% to battle/pvp. Having to adapt is cool but moving the entire focus of the game to something else thats hard to swallow.

The only explanation I can think of is R20 SBing is no longer needed due to new game mechanics and maybe a lower rank SBer can do what a R20 can without extreme penalty… Is this the reason?

Sigh this game is exhausting :(

rangerzfan · August 2018

nope. still need certain SB ranks for mods. For example, when going to 5/4 on a ship that used to be R18 to build and mod, it still requires SB12 for the the 5th mod. Not sure what the thought process is/was, but it seems like with many changes, the game is going backwards.

Veclord · August 2018

Maybe they reduced the XP gained in order to drive more people into trying to gamble for ships from the micro transaction ticket bottles?

lefox271 · August 2018

Well to be fair if @ssd21345 is correct about the new formula, it makes the grind easier at higher levels (from around R7) with the exp improving as you progress.

But a quick calculation gives about 30 hours of shipbuilding time to reach R5.

For the benefit of any novice SBers like me ...

In London Small Caravels look like a good route. They are cheap (55k) but take 8 days to build, and you only lose 9k selling them back.

Still unsure if I can face this grind - 225 small caravels to reach R5. Yuk.

SailorPapaya · August 2018

If they intend to make this game into a pure battle sea pvp, I would say the same thing as well. I really have no regret in leaving this game then. Zero doubt, zero regret.

lefox271 · August 2018

And here's a further thought about the grind to R16 - if the exp is related to build time you don't need to build more expensive ships as you level up. You could build small caravels all the way to the end - it would be way cheaper.

Tini555 · August 2018

Hmmm... that's not good.
Existing R20 Sb's will be worth their weight in gold when it comes to mods.

When papayaplay release updates we get the colourful updates on their website but it seems to be headline stuff, there should be more in depth info without us having to decipher via Google translate on the Japanese wiki site, or stumble across accidentally.

Btw if I read correctly we have had the sb update early as it is suppose to be in the 2nd order could that be the issue. They released some clothed stuff early and advised not to use it and they will reimburse; or did we get order 1 & 2 at the same time?

Sorry long post for me, finally has anyone reported to a [CA] / [GM] or raised a support ticket to clarify? Sorry on vacation so can't ask in game and don't want to duplicate support tickets if one been raised.

Cheers

kadams · August 2018

Order of the Prince, Chapter 1

The above is from the update notices at gvo.gamedb.info/wiki (translated)

If there's a glitch in the shipbuilding points, it must be at the beginner levels. I am sb r13+1 and am getting 27 points for each cutter, even when completing them in 4 days instead of 8, which matches Beginning Shipbuilding

Maybe someone can check lower level sb against what the points used to be?

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

@lefox271

Even with higher rank higher xp you still get screwed big time

Turkish galley on the old way was giving like 100 xp per ship and took 6 days to build with oxford so in 30 mins you can get about 500 points at rank 14

Now plug in that new formula above lets say 30days at rank 14

14*30/0.525 = 220 points thats less than HALF the old way! Wtf

Even if you hypothetically used a maxed SB rank using the formula @30 days its only 315 points still way less than the old way.

The only thing even remotely comparable is using the +50% exp thing along with the +3 rank SBing item in which at r14 youd get 392 exp which is about 100 points less than the old way and it still needed 2 cash items to do it. Even with the old way ships gave less as rank increased even at a measly 60 points per turkish galley its 300 points in 30 mins no cash items needed

The cost is nothing but the time to grind is the biggest issue this is a god awful change again that nobody asked for again and everyone who is r20 already is in good but those that arent there yet you're screwed and probably will never reach r20 now. WOW we really got F***ed on this one… :(

A better way that would be better is simply change the formula to make it SBrank* days at sea = points gained.

As it is now its looking like a way to force us to buy more cash items to grind SBing… very very dirty and greedy imo and underhanded and wont work they just go to pre existing r20 for SBing needs rather than grind for a 1.5 years to max it…

dsmack1 · August 2018

I'm glad i spent the first 2 or 3 months of this server grinding back sb ...but still, this has to be a bug or unforeseen consequence of the changes ...it's can't be right.

Byrdmeln

lefox271 · August 2018

I can also add - after some experimentation:

Skill boosts like saws, skills books and SB job do not impact the exp you get. The formula is evidently calculated on base rank.

Tomorrow I might check out the situation at our colony shipyard.

LyonesseJoseph · August 2018

Yep, I can confirm that skills boost and Shipwright are non-factor. Also, my alt grinded sbing ,so I noticed Standard ships give you sbing rank * days * ..5= prof. I built Frigate that gave me 63 prof for sber r6. You might go with heavy ship if you want fully prof unless you're truly cheapskate. Venetian Galleass or Galleass is the best ships for grinding sbing if you don't mind this method will burn your ducats big time

Also, I tested FS build that does not give prof as much as normal does. IIRC, sbing rank * days * .375 for FS Heavy ships after my main toon built Maltese Galley and others. Btw, she's r15 sber.

nxtlvl70 · August 2018

I would agree that the formula seems to be calculated on base rank. This is what I got from my own experiments. Do take note this was immediately after the update. If any changes were made after that I have not yet tried to test it again:

Rank

Ship

Sailing Days

Gained Prof

6+1	Bergantin	8	16
6+1	Galleon	20	40
6+1	Large Carrack	16	32
6+1	Caravel	10	19
6+1	Emigrant Barque	12	23
6+1	Large Galley	16	33
6+1	Turkish galley	11	20
6+1	Frigate	20	40
6+2	Schooner	6	12
6+3	Schooner	6	11
6+3	Cutter	8	16
6+2	Cutter	8	15
6+2	Cutter	8	15
6+3	Cutter	8	16
6+1	Cutter	8	15
6+2	Cutter	8	16
6+1	Vaisseau	28	57
6+2	Vaisseau	28	57
6+1	Armed T.Carrack	20	40
6+2	Armed T.Carrack	20	40
6+1	Trading Galleon	20	40
6+1	Trading L.Galleon	24	48
6+1	Clipper	25	45
6+1	Refitted H.Carrack	22	47
6+2	Refitted H.Carrack	22	44
6+1	Refitted H.Carrack	22	44
6+1	Refitted H.Carrack	22	45
6+1	Vaisseau	28	58
6+1	Armed Cog	4	8

Airhaun · August 2018

Experiencing the same issue of reduced prof. At R6+2 beforevchanges:
Battle Galleon. 85
Galleon. 85
Flemish Galleon 97
Large Trade Galleon: 128

Current:
Large Trading Galleon. 37
Vaisseau: 24
Sagyeonseon: 23

Tini555 · August 2018

The suspense was killing me on nxtlvl70 post (only joking) good work!
Wow glad I ranked sb in the early days.
I can see why I got a few +3 an rank things for 60 seconds or however long they are recently.

SUNDOGG97 · August 2018

I try to make a freestyle Light using the hull and parts like I did before. I was not able to do it.

You could freestyle a ship with a skill added and some improvement but not any more it seems.

This change was not good

mondobogus · August 2018

It's a trade off...you no longer can add a free mod, but you also don't need to mod to add skills.

The change is OK by me.

LyonesseJoseph · August 2018

Tbh, custom SB is much better even though you're no longer to get free ship skills by build fs ship. Well, this is basically flip out like higher rank sber would have to grind load of ships to rank up while novice sbers would have no problem to get to r5 during pre-Order of Prince. Right now, novice players will have to grind more ships to get r2 than before while expert sbers will get more prof than before too.

Old formula

Sber r1 would need to build only 2 Dhow ships to get r2 while Sber r15 would have to build 388 TG to r16.

New Formula

Sber r1 will need to build 10 frigates to r2 while Sber r15 will need to build about 90 Venetian Galleass to get r16.

Obviously, Custom SB is much expensive to grind ,but you will get to r16 quicker than old formula did. Also, Sber r15 will need 48 hours to get to r16 if s/he builds Venetian Galleass while Sber r15 would need about 72 hours to get r16 if s/he builds Turkish Galley. Oh, Turkish Galley is utterly useless for new formula since it has only 11 days to complete to build.

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