What Naver truly wants, in my opinions

SailorPapaya · August 2018

From the history I know about Naver, which it is not the whole story that I have been told, that this guy started in France companies, being a pirateer who only attack other nations traders, and have done a lot to help the France traders in their tradings.

One day, argument happens between him and the leaders of the trading companies in France, he left France and went to Venice to start up his own company.

So there is one thing I like about this guy. Do you notice that? He picked Venice, the weakest nation and the longest route and time for tradings. The location is not favorable to trading.

From then on, he flips the ports to Venice. He attacked France traders. He done a lot of extreme things.

After the server reset, he wants a non stop farming rule. Which we all know if this rule is implemented, the traders will have a very difficult time trying to nanban.

In the other hand, he used real cash to sell captain tickets, turn into ducats and invest in ports in the game.

So if all get into what he expects and what he wants, all I could see is one thing, he will be the king of the server and he will be very successful in pressing France traders.

A sweat revenge it is.

Personally, I don't think that is necessary. It doesn't need to be that way. So, rumour says he already quit, but if he returns to play and if, his intention is really, to rise Venice nation up, then I will join his company as a trader to help him on that.

SailorPapaya · August 2018

Naver has pointed one fact that although it hurts to be heard, but I cannot deny it is untrue.

This is kind of my behaviour. That although I do not support a person's view and opinion, but I will always try to give him the credits that he deserves. I will not try to deny something that it is true about himself. I try to be fair to myself, as well I try to be fair to the other person.

In his opinions, he, as a person who spent a lot of cash, he found that the other players play the game for free. Other players, could get to what he could get, given long enough time of playing. He doesn't agree with that.

He feels that the price that the traders willing to pay for some cash shop items, is quite unreasonable.

So let's say SSIP is like.. 15m to 25m? I forgot the price. Probably its around 20m.

So let's say if a trader, sail with 3 toons, with clermonts now that comes with a lot of cargos. The ducats the traders could earn should be around 200-300m each trips. At least.

So if you could earn 200-300m each trips from nanban. But you only willing to pay 20m for one SSIP. That is very unacceptable for him. Because those SSIP needs real cash to buy from. It is not that you nanban all day you could get yourself an SSIP.

In order to "punish" the traders and let them know that the price is unacceptable, the petition he made as well will force all traders to buy blue flags in order to protect themselves.

So it is like in another saying.

"If you refuse to pay a better price for the cash shop items which I spent my real cash in buying, then I will force you to pay to the game yourself by buying blue flags, if you want to play as a trader. Then you will understand what's the value of the real cash compare to the in game ducats is worth for."

PotatoCannon · August 2018

What in the actual ..... Is it possible for you to stop posting things like this. If Naver wants to post something he will post it i am quite sure. He left/took break from game again. If you share someones opinion then post it, improve on that thought and that is it. Its just getting annoying that you keep posting If Naver.../i think what Naver... Last night i dreamed of Naver posts.

Pawel.

SailorPapaya · August 2018

I played a lot of games before. So I am just trying to mention the stuffs that is fair.

Fair to both parties.

In other games, if you want to use in games money to exchange for items that only can be bought from cash shop, the price is usually very high.

So, let's say for an example. There is an mmorpg, where the game by default, gives you a very limited inventory slots. That slots are definitely not enough. You would need to expand your slots in order to play the game.

So, there is a trading system in the game for the player. In order to get like 10 slots extra for inventory, you need to farm for the in game ducats.

Let's say the price of the 10 slots inventory is worth in game money of 10k gold.

In order to earn that kind of money, the players usually needs around 4-5 days or a week to collect that kind of amount.

So do you get what I mean? 4-5 days of time.

But in uwo, if you 3 toons that full of clermonts, one trip from nanban that may take you 4hours maximum, could return you at least 200m ducats.

And with 200m ducats, you can buy 10 SSIPs, from a person who spent his real cash buying.

Before in OGP, there is no clermonts. If you could have a ship that has a cargo of 600-700 in your alts and aide, it is already good enough.

Now you have a clermont. One clermont gives you 1502 cargo at max. You would have 3k cargo in one toon.

So the price you should pay for the cash item shop, should be higher.

Man.. I know I will be scold if I say this...

To me okay, I don't want to offend more people, all I want to say is the truth.

To me, I think the price of SSIP should be able to sell at a price of 50m-100m each.

(Here to mention, its only about SSIP, not calculated "per uwc")

So, for a player with 3 toons, he needs to sail like 10 rounds, in order to get enough SSIPs to fully mod his ship, I think that is really a fair price.

I calculate the reasonable price judge from the time spent.

So, if the traders want to criticize about the pirates, say that this they are wrong and that they demand too much, yes you can.

But first, you must not done something wrong yourself. Then you can say it out as loud as you can, to your heart's content.

Pay the people who spent their real cash to buy the cash shop items, with a higher price, more ducats. Because they really deserve it.

That's all I want to say.

miyamoto · August 2018

@ papaya sailor, as one of the french in the past i just like to share something with u. When he press he XicX on us. I just pass one simple message around. Ignore him and play our game. Ignore all people from RE .That what works for me. It plain it simple.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

Are you Navers lawyer? Lol you should be :P

Listen Sailor i feel you're wrong in your assessment as you leave out a CRITICAL detail and I feel that you leave it out purposely to make Naver not seem like a " bad guy".

In a few of the locked forums me and Naver fought over the said issue and the issue is Naver HATES traders and adventure and considers them and their playstyle as skill-less and pointless. Not just that he feels that maritime is the SUPERIOR class and the traders, adventure and free to play players are only here to provide fodder for maritime. Now bias is totally fine but to feel you're better than or more important than other classes is another. Don't believe me go search for our locked forum arguments and see the guy YOU campaigning for , for yourself...

THAT is why nobody is supporting your Naver isn't a such a bad guy campaign that's why we push back when you and pirates try pretend like the farming rules weren't his construct you're trying to bail him out. If you want to support a guy who holds those ideals that 75 % of the players on this server is worthless and only here to provide him amusement hey that's your choice but the rest of us that saw him doing all the BS for months years even know him and know him better than you and we ain't joining the suck Naver off club just because he's assertive, gets things done and spends money.

He's ballsy and it attracts people like you and others I can understand that and he's not an "evil person" but his ideals piss on 75% of the community and his idea to farm traders was born out of malice and disregard for other classes and was nothing more than a way to hurt us and amuse himself there was no altruistic motive involved and we'll NEVER support him and that F**ked ideal. Pirates jumped on his bandwagon with the rules because they also secretly hate on traders and felt they can benefit from the rules to punish us because we "got it too good". It was a petty stupid vindictive attempt to get back at traders and if you or anyone else support him or those rules then you also support THAT ideal as well.

Tell the WHOLE story to leave out his " true feelings " on traders and adventurers can come off as deceitful...

Rhend78 · August 2018

What you're leaving out about Naver's exit from France is that he was loaned/borrowed a LOT from his company, NC ships etc, and when he left, he gave them all the bird and ran off with all of the stuff he had been loaned. That was before he had ever really started being a cash player.

As to everything else, who the F cares? I'm a maritimer, and it doesn't matter what Naver says, you know why? Cuz they could change everything to be how he wants it to be, and he'll still quit a week or two later for some other reason. I've been here since 2010, and I can confidently say, no one else has quit and returned and quit and returned, and quit and returned, multiplied by 20, like he has. He'll always find something to be unhappy about, it's just who he is.

SailorPapaya · August 2018

@CPC

Naver is NOT a bad guy..... he just have some kind of "righteous" in himself that makes him believe what he is doing at the moment is correct. He just need somebody to talk to him properly, and explain all the reasons to him, and be patience with him.

A true villain doesn't do stuffs like this. Going with petition. That's the way of walking through the front door. Guys... a villain never picks the front door. They picked the back door and all coming out from their mouth are lies and nothing but lies.

What Naver is wrong about, he is wrong. He believes pvp is the key of all gamer's way.. Jesus.. have a look at Path of Exile. That game is a solo game and they have millions of player base. They earned millions of dollars per year. Path of Exile is a PvE game, a solo game, and a gears grinding game.

But what Naver is right about, he is right. He mentioned that the price that the traders willing to pay for the cash item shop is too low. That is the truth. The reason is simple.

I could give you a very simple example. If Papaya allows a player in uwo to resell the SSIPs he bought, by using in game ducats, back into cash in usd dollar, with 3 toons a day, nanban whole day, that person could earn 50-100 usd a day.

This kind of pay ratio does not exist in other games. I am telling you all these because I have experience in playing many games. And I know their structure, cultural, and game play environment from within.

You all can tell to Naver that he is wrong. But one thing you did not do it right is, when Naver says out his reasons, you refuse to listen. Some of the facts are simply true but you do not give him the credits. Some truth is hurt to be listened, and it affects our own benefit. But you have to admit it when the matter brought out is relevant and a truth that matters.

Else, why would you sit around the table to discuss stuffs? You are not there on the round table to practice the "state of denials", you are there to solve an argument and to reach an understanding. If you cannot be fair in handling things, you have no rights to scold Naver, even when he is wrong. Because at your side, you are wrong too.

What I see is Naver is a solo man, and the France companies are a group of men. Naver has something to say about the France companies, and the France companies has something to say about Naver.

Both parties have facts that is truth, but they deny on the parts that are not favors to them. It makes Naver a loser at the end, because he is a lonely man.

Therefore the actions he took later, is a way to prove that he is right.

That man is not asking for attention. He is not asking for recognition. He is asking for justice. A justice he believes himself that it is right, but it is actually twisted.

There are logic and principles in Naver's mind tp support all the things he believe. All you need to do is find those logic and principles in him, challenge them, and make him understand that some of his thoughts are wrong.

You should not challenge him in person. You should challenge in the logic he believes. This is an effort greater than just trying to reach an agreement, this is an effort trying to understand that man.

Because none of you guys could do that, that is why this matter has been escalated this much.

Rhend78 · August 2018

"Naver is NOT a bad guy"

The people who loaned him all the shit he got when he first started the game, all the stuff he STOLE when he left the Company and switched nations, would disagree with that statement.

Thieves are bad guys, people who steal from those who were nice to them and loaned them things are horrible people, regardless of any later actions.

lefox271 · August 2018

How about we stop all this Naver-gazing?

@SailorPapaya I'm guessing you don't get much time to play UWO, what with all the essays you write.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

"Naver is NOT a bad guy..... he just have some kind of "righteous" in himself that makes him believe what he is doing at the moment is correct"

What you described is the WORST kind of villain a sociopath

What is a sociopath?

A sociopath is a term used to describe someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can’t understand others’ feelings. They’ll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause.

People with ASPD may also use “mind games” to control friends, family members, co-workers, and even strangers. They may also be perceived as charismatic or charming.

A sociopath is someone who doesn't care about what others feel and only cares about what THEY believe everything else is simply collateral in the pursuit of their ambitions...lie , steal, hurt, cheat, manipulate doesn't matter its all a means to an end and is justified. Not saying that's what he is but that's what you described aka someone on a righteous pursuit who steps on whoever doesn't align with their goals. You're under the impression that all bad people lurk in the shadows and hide and since they dont hide they're good that's TOTALLY FALSE ...Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Kim Jun Un, are all bad people but present themselves as heroes or saviors and did horrible things to achieve their goals at the extreme fore front in plain sight. You need to understand just because someone believes themselves on a righteous pursuit doesnt mean they ARE on a righteous pursuit.

But to your argument who the hell is Naver to determine traders and free players aren't paying their fair share or pulling their own weight? Who the hell is he to determine that? He pulled it out of his a** because he holds a bias and a grudge think why do you suppose so many dont agree with him that traders dont spend enough for HIS standards? You dont find it wrong one guy can judge 75% of the server as useless and not spending enough? No red flag at all huh? Nothing?

Sailor you're being manipulated and are just a pawn in someone elses warped ambitions. We've explained to him 100's of times very nicely and we got insulted and were told we dont matter because we're traders HIS exact words. You're making excuses and trying to rationalize for him and you're free to do so but just know at some point you MUST say no that's wrong I'm not doing that if you can't do that then you could be that next soldier in the SS(figurtively speaking)

SailorPapaya · August 2018

Well like I said, I do not clear of exactly what happen between Naver and the France company. I am just an outsider, I do not know the entire truth.

If Naver did not return the things he borrowed, that he is wrong about that, but that too, depends on how much he contributed to the company and how much items he get, whether those amounts are worth to be compared or not.

Naver caught my attention when he flips all the ports to Venice in a single night. I have played many online mmorpg, I have seen some arrogant rich bastards who is owning the server as a king, but still no matter how arrogant and bad a person is, they all will have friends and game mates. I have never seen one person get disagreed by so many persons at a same time. I felt interest in Naver because I have seen something that I never met in my entire life.

When I look deeper into what Naver did, I feel even more puzzled, and confused. Because I have met, really really, bad gamer in a game. What these immoral people is capable of doing, is far away from what Naver is doing.

So my question to myself is simple. How could a man, that is not that bad, could be disliked by so many persons? While those even worse people don't even have so many enemies?

So from these phenomena I noticed, I believe there must be some misunderstanding happens between both parties. There must be.

So the following below, is this that what I do not believe.

I do not believe a single man, without knowing what uwo before, he came in to play uwo for some time, and he found a way to hate all the traders player in game, and he despise of them so much. I do not believe there is some sort of man in this world. One person just do not get into a random game, and then he anti a specific role of players, for nothing.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

There must be a cause, a reason, a fact, that why all these happens.

miyamoto · August 2018

He and laffie used to be the sweetest lover in france. And one day their dreams and effort all broke up. Their love become hated . He go towards venice side and vowed to destroy rest of france. He was trying to destroy anything he had laffie had at 1st. From now what i see is more he trying to build venice and his remaining hate for french xD. For some time he trying to get many french to defect over. End of my story. Good luck with your adverture!

WesDoobner · August 2018

If Naver, and anyone else, wants to spend more time complaining, suggesting, badgering, begging, writing novels and other activities than actually playing the game, that tells you how much they actually care for playing the game. I don't have time to worry about that crap or complain about it because I'm busy playing the game. In fact, if I wasn't sitting at work right now I would be playing UWO instead of wasting time on this forum. If you like the game PLAY IT. If not, leave the rest of us alone, and leave the forum for helpful suggestions and comments.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

He hates traders because he blames the plunder nerfs from netmarble and OGP on traders he feels we're the cause of him losing his fun. The problem comes in which he doesn't analyze why they did it or the negative effects of farming he just blames us. So the rules was his and other disgruntled pirates way of getting back at us traders he added all that BS about it saving the game and lowering inflation and helping boost maritime as a way to simply justify the bias.

The reality however is NO TRADER asked for the 24 hr rule or 100% improved hold kill reset or level restriction that was ALL GM / Dev so he and pirates shouldn't blame us . The farming rules however WERE specifically asked for Naver hence why he's the creator.

Pirates NEED to stop hating on traders and get over the damn nerfs already we didn't asked for those or thought of them the Devs did. It's the same as you complaining man this park is dirty then instead of simply cleaning up a bit the grounds keeper bans all visitors from visiting the park so it doesnt get dirty again you're like...ummm this solved the problem but this is NOT what we asked for and was extremely exaggerated. So please end this trader feud it wasn't our plan..

miyamoto · August 2018

if he hate the nerf , he already gone for saul wind xD .. he didnt . He hate trader esp france because laffie was one LOL.

On the thought , why people like be attack the same player more than 2 times or more a day , if they wasnt going to fight . Is it really so interesting to attack same person again that u log in per day? or was it now really no more target to hunt ?

Veclord · August 2018

After hearing more about Naver's background with the French, I felt it only fitting to share this song, since for whatever reason it's the very first thing I thought of. Especially....you know, being Venetian and all.

(I'm sorry if this offended anybody)

Veclord · August 2018

It's very fitting in my opinion. Almost like an anthem of him quitting the game again.

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

@Neclord

You a damn fool for that one LOLOL

@Miyamoto

If this is all trader hate is over some chick...that's a god damn shame smh. I mean i can understand it CPC does happen to be in possession of the best Juicebox in the western hemisphere and has made some men lose their mind so it does happen. No matter how good the juice is you must not lose yourself. I truly hope this entire crusade against traders wasn't over some damn girl and was retaliation for the plunder nerfs because if it is the reason pirates took a major L for that.

You made a good point Saul DID sign off on the OGP piracy nerfs or didn't push back against them so yes he should have gone for his juggular..

miyamoto · August 2018

@ CPC , Laffie was a male , so was naver ...

miyamoto · August 2018

It was Le spleen de paris ....

Veclord · August 2018

Someone probably needed a new spleen after they got done throwing each other's back out, lol. CPC, you remember that song by E40 that came out forever ago; TRYIN TO GET TO YOUUUU AND THAT BOOTY

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

Phlylgenion · August 2018

Naver is now irrelevant and can speak for himself (or perhaps through an intermediary if necessary) should he decide he has anything further to say, as others have suggested. I'm sure he had his reasons, as do most people for most things, and everyone can decide for themselves at this point whether they accept, reject, or don't care either way about those reasons as they perceive them.

If the intent is to advocate for taking action to make it harder/impossible to purchase UWC items with ducats relative to the cost, then do so directly. I personally oppose such a change and believe that the supply of and demand for UWC items will set an efficient price (though the lack of easily acquired perfect information and a centralized market does complicate this a bit).

The price for SSIP's has at least ~doubled (to a bid-ask spread of 30m-40m last time I checked) due to the increased demand created by the recent update. Keep in mind that the liquidity of SSIP's has increased as well. Since people are using more SSIP's to optimize their ships, those who invest in SSIP's can expect to sell a larger quantity more easily. Another consideration is that the buyers might want specific quantities of SSIP's. If the price increases too much, then someone who needs exactly 50 SSIP's might simply opt to wait for lower price instead of purchasing 30 SSIP's at the same total price. As a result, the higher price would result in less profit for the seller. If the sellers all demand 50m each, then the price will be 50m, though there will be a tendency for that price to be sabotaged by those who incrementally attempt to undercut that price (it works the same from the buyers' perspectives). Another consideration is that a bundle of SSIP'S is intended to complement the purchase of the parts necessary to build a quality ship, so the cost of the other parts will influence the maximum price a buyer is willing to pay for SSIP's. With all that said, there is ultimately no correct market price, so it can fluctuate randomly to an extent within the constraints of all of these outside factors that limit the potential range and shape the prices people might be willing to accept or offer.

Finally, it seems to me that a lot of people on either side of the pirate/trader divide already acknowledge that the game should be kept fair for the other side in spite of their respective preferences (though they may disagree where exactly a fair compromise might ultimately be found).

Veclord · August 2018

Veclord · August 2018

Red Empire needs to get together and do a cover of this song

CrzyPsycoChick · August 2018

Yeah I ummm I yeah....lol

I wasn't expecting all this I'm going to take Phlylgenion' s advice and exit on this one its getting crazy lol

Rhend78 · August 2018

"If Naver did not return the things he borrowed, that he is wrong about that, but that too, depends on how much he contributed to the company and how much items he get, whether those amounts are worth to be compared or not." -SailorPapaya

He contributed next to nothing. He was a noob who took and took, and rarely, if ever, contributed anything when he was French. He was still learning the game, he didn't even begin to come into his own until jumping to Venice. Hell the best description of him before jumping would be a leech, who was always asking for more, always asking for help, and always receiving it, yet rarely contributed.

HuseyinGazi · August 2018

I've to stand on side with lefox statement.

All those posts regarding Naver is getting far out of hand, especially by the rumors that has been made towards him from the extreme measures he took before his departure from UWO. I even tried to lecture him by overcoming his own weaknesses that I've discovered from him, however, he refused to listen and went his own way. >_<

At the end he dragged himself over the boarder that resulted heavy sanctions against him despite the numerous warnings that were left towards him. This kind of outcome is nearly irreversible.

For this I want to leave a saying:

What the past... is the past... no matter what we're trying to say and what we're coming up to... This won't change anything and may make it worse. Best is to look forward in the future, in other words, get over it.

In short, get over with this and at the end it is his own decision (NOT ours) whenever he want to return or want to change himself to overcome his weaknesses. :x

To add insults to injuries, it is even forbidden to make posts directly to someone without consulting the targeted person.

I hope this clear for those. :-)

Kind Regards,

Katanauwo · August 2018

I never cared about what BE RE ‘s ambition is. At one stage i almost thought OGP hired Naver to fan pvp premium craze, like all those turtle shows BE presented which helped boosting bottle sales.

What i enjoyed from this guy the most is his ability of constantly providing a pvp opponent fleet for anyone who wants to have thrilling battles.

I enjoyed countless battles against Naver in esf, mock, real battle, and tournament. In some rare occasion of teaming together, he also made a good partner.

The reason why UWO ended in such a poor shape, other than the operators’ fault, is the lack of hardcore players like Naver.

NaverUWO · August 2018

@Rhend78

Looks like I became a scammer now.
I never borrowed nor lending ships/items/ducats or anything from people and it has been our company regulation #7:

“7. Begging or whining for ducats & items and lending ships & accounts are strictly FORBIDDEN!
ㄴ To prevent the scamming happen from the source, DO NOT ask anyone for personal profits.”

I do not care how this game goes anymore but I’d appreciate if you retain away from creating false rumours on players that you do not like. I have been giving away valuable items which are worth more than sum of your game accounts.

What Naver truly wants, in my opinions

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It was Le spleen de paris ....