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About fusion

cages01cages01 Posts: 16Member Beginner
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About fusion... PP should reconsider to show real success chance instead those fake numbers... Fail at 88% happens,at 85% more often,not too bad,at 82% still not too bad but it getting risky,75% is something like you will fail every second try... Too bad i didnt recorded my fusion job tonight but i am gdamn sure its not a bad luck,its fake numbers... Things like this make me sometimes to reconsider quiting for good. I cant understand,does they really think we are that stupid? 

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  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    i would say is bad luck and bad understanding of statistics, its perfectly possible to have 100 consecutive fails at 99% since every event is independent, unlikely? true, but possible.

    i have had success under 10% when annoyed i just tossed a lower tier mat just to get rid of it.

    i would consider hiring someone with more patience for anything above g4.

    and relax man its just a game
    cages01Culvern
    Desire spawns madness, madness collapses into disaster.
    mankind never learns...
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @cages01 PP should reconsider to show real success chance instead those fake numbers. Things like this make me sometimes to reconsider quiting for good. I cant understand,does they really think we are that stupid?

      I can sympathize with your frustrations as there many areas in the game that use % success rates like Transmutation alchemy. You anger though is misdirected. This is a Koei game not Papaya play. They have nothing to do with content and game mechanics as they are just a 'host' and moderator for the North American server. Papaya can ask koei for changes in the game but can't make structural changes like that. If you don't believe me you can see for yourself as Papaya play is mentioned NOWHERE in the credits or opening sequence, that is because this is a Koei-tecmo game, not Papaya play. It's no wonder Papaya doesn't interact with us more with so many people so quick to want to jump down their throats about every little thing that they have no control over. You should be happy that Papaya even picked up such an old game with such a small player base in today's game market.

      Papaya Play reads all of our threads! If you see something that can use improvement in the game then open a thread discussion about it where we can all talk about the pro's and con's of it. If enough people agree then Papaya can bring up the idea with Koei for future changes. Insulting them is not going to achieve anything.
    Culvern
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CocoaPuffBunnyCocoaPuffBunny Posts: 82Member Beginner
    " . . . does they really think we are that stupid? " . . .Yes, yes they do.  Stupid enough to buy ships and add obscene amounts of ducats to flush down the Fusion Fail Toilet for a few more stats that don't matter.  Stupid enough to continue playing after they claim that they lost all your info, steal all your years of achievements, then give you founders "rewards" based on the levels you had, that they "lost".  Yes, they know they can do and say anything.
    Culvern
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @Cocoa they never said they lost our info or else we wouldn't have been able to 'link' our accounts. The sever was reset due to compatibility issues from all of the OGP hacks. koei is responsible for all game mechanics and changes now.. You're just getting senile in your old age.
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CocoaPuffBunnyCocoaPuffBunny Posts: 82Member Beginner
    @purplepirate  . . . Really???  You are one of the Sheeple who is drinking their Kool-Aid??  They did INDEED claim they lost our info as the reason for the wipe, then announced that they would give Founders Rewards based on our levels, which makes them LIARS.  They probably spun that explanation out to cover their lie, but it was too late.  I am not Senile;  I need to win some money on Jeopardy.  Speaking of Senile, I wonder how SenileFrenchGeezer is doing.  I miss him.  He had sense enough to quit.
    Culvern
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    Shouting doesn't make it true.

    I bet you cannot find anything where Papaya have said "they lost our data". I think you are mis-remembering (probably due to your prejudice against them). 

    They did say the founders rewards were an acknowledgement of our loyalty to the game.
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    No cocoa IS telling the truth they stated verbatim

    "The data has been lost" i remember because I was in the forum inquiring on whether OGP mishandled the info or if OGP wanted money for the legacy data it was QUITE  a lengthy argument.

    cocoa is telling the truth. I can locate it of I check my post history but I'm driving take my word for it they did say that

  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    @CocoaPuffBunny quoting one of  @CrzyPsycoChick  favourite politicians in a context where the words actually do make sense:

    "At this point what difference does it make?"

    we already lost too much specially good people many of which were friends.

    whether there were some players actively requesting a reset, none of which stood behind to play a single day when it did happen.
    whether or not the company is truly on the hands of the same people who had OGP.
    whether or not as a different commercial entity they didn't really have a legal obligation to continue service, beyond morals which never triumphs over economical advantages. 

    one year later i don't see the point of salting wounds over the reset.

    Desire spawns madness, madness collapses into disaster.
    mankind never learns...
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @CPC your interpretation of 'lost' is not the same. The data wasn't lost, it still existed and was accessible, which is why we were able to 'link' our accounts. In fact they even extended the time we had to 'link' our accounts from what was originally stated (well after OGP had folded). If OGP still had the server it would've been offline and not accessible by then. I also remember that there was a statement that came out during the transistion about the problem updating the server with the new 'age of revolution' patch due to a compatibility issue. It was shortly after that that it was announced that the game would be reset.

      Cocoa saying that they 'stole' our stuff implies that they have all of our items and that they are keeping them for 'personal' use, but since the GM's don't play it doesn't make sense. Even if they did play the game they wouldn't need to 'steal' our stuff as they can just give their characters any items and lvl's that they wanted from the game from the master list. If they wanted to they could've just remade our characters from the 'linking of accounts' since that proves that they still had access (weather they had the server or not) to know what lvl's we were for the founders awards.
    Culvern
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate

    I had to look up that quote it was said by Hilary Clinton who I absolutely LOATHE which means youre a liar I wanted Bernie. Youre a Trump supporter… that says it all really 


    To your point though it doesnt matter at this point as it has passed and it makes no sense to go on about it at this point that much is true.  HOWEVER that doesn't mean people get to LIE about what happened to suit their narrative.  They said they "lost" the data its fact it is what it is its not alternative facts either if they didn't want people to hold a grudge or mention it again then they shouldn't have said it and no amount of downplaying by you can change history.

    If you don't like facts and actual history that's YOUR problem that doesn't mean we have to cater to a lie because it make others "feel better".

  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    Ps

    The lie part wasn't directed at lefox or PP but to the person who ACTUALLY lied in this thread.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @CPC if you are saying i'm lying, well that's your problem. I do remember there was an issue about updating the new patch and i go by what i see (actions speak louder than words). If OGP wouldn't release the server because they wanted money then we wouldn't have been able to even link our accounts since again they would've wanted money for that information.
    IGN: Samantha99
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    I said not you PP should have said purple pirate PP can stand for Papaya play.

  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    Papaya never released a public statement saying why the game was reset. If anyone believes they did, then show us evidence.

    There was a lot of talk on this forum at the time but it was 99% anger and assumption.

    Yes - it's in the past and we've moved on. But I think it matters that people are still criticising Papaya for something that didn't happen. Particularly when it's people who are not even playing the game now.

    Papaya are publishing our game - which means we get to play - that's good enough isn't it?
    purplepirate
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    @Lefox


    DUDE lol...They DID release an official statement in their FAQ page on why you should transfer your account page we ALL saw it. Thank goodness I screen capped it as they deleted the page due to INTENSE backlash. I get that its no point brining it up data is long gone but I'm not lying Im just proving I'm not lying I'm personally over the whole data is lost thing CCP should get over it to as it won't bring the data back



    As Ezio and Saul taught me if you have to think should I screenshot this?... Screenshot it lol



    Here's the source link of the forum it was pulled from with other people also saying they said it.


    http://forum.papayaplay.com/index.php?p=/discussion/359092/the-player-community-needs-to-convince-development-to-stop-the-wipe/p1




    Here is the actual screenshot if people want to say the link is dead
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  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    @CrzyPsychoChick your country has a 2 party system and you wanted the only other contestant to win which leaves you with all of one choice to vote for if you didn't like the one who ended up winning.

    however i am not a Trump supporter, hell i don't even live in the states, but i have lived under Socialism for long enough to tell you this, if you have to chose between any Socialist good old Satan himself, Satan is the safe bet.

    now lets leave politics aside before they ban me.
    Desire spawns madness, madness collapses into disaster.
    mankind never learns...
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    Thanks for digging this up CPC. Sorry to have put you you to so much trouble.

    But it's worth it to see exactly what was said - and what was not said.

    Reading back over these posts I think Purplepirate is right. They are not saying 'lost' in the sense of 'mislaid' and 'if we could have found it we would have given you your stuff back'.

    Which makes Cocoa wrong to say they lied.

    It also doesn't explain why the handover to Papaya happened in that way - i.e. whether Papaya wanted to restart from scratch.

    So much for the past.

    Looking forward - we could do without ex-players dissing the game and the publisher. We need new players and that's not helped by negative posts on the forum (especially when a lot of those folks have no intention of playing).
    CrzyPsycoChick
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    Cocoa is misdirecting her anger at papaya. All your ships, toons and gear are still with OGP. All you have to do is go to their server to play them.

    But I'd you want to play on papaya's server you had to start fresh. They are not OGP. I know! Shocking.

    Papaya is under no obligation to maintain the business that you conducted with OGP.

    Of course they reset the server. It makes total business sense to do so. And is a bad financial decision to maintain the data.
    Papaya is not a charity organization.

    If you are not happy restarting then do not.
    If you are angry that you lost you stuff contact OGP and ask for it back, but don't bother asking papaya.
    It's been a year get over it.
    CrzyPsycoChick
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate
    @lefox and @Culvern @purplepirate

    Totally agree with you guys we don't know happened specifically to the data. I admit the explanation PP gave sounds...a bit iffy but we have to give them the benefit of the doubt because back on OGP I made a forum with over 5000 views and 300+ replies asking them what will happen to our data? what will you do? Please can we keep our data?

    What was their reponse? NOTHING ZERO ZILCH!

    They simply said we out of here CYA all in one week. Very unprofessional very disrespectful to the people who invested years and thousands of dollars in this game. So in Cocoa's case we don't know what happened to the data between OGP and Papaya we weren't there...but what we can confirm is... OGP DID have all our data and when we got here it was NOT here and when asked about it they refused to give an answer thats called being deceptive. I mean they could have told us since they were going out of business anyway why keep it a secret? A simple I'm sorry due to contract constraints we cannot migrate our data over. That would have quelled a lot of negative press and stopped a lot of people leaving. Papaya's excuse was vague and it brought along alot of negative press on themselves thats my only critique for them giving a botched response.

    Perfect Papaya Response should have been:

    Due to Contract Restriction we were unable to migrate the data over to our server from OGP. We tried to negotiate a data transfer but in business, nothing is guaranteed which is unfortunate we are terribly sorry. We instead will give founders rewards to all legacy accounts as a thank you for their loyalty and love of the game.

    SO simple right? However, as with PP and OGP you need American Public Relations people on staff. Not as a racist thing but rather because Americans know how to talk to other Americans it's not racist its fact...the data's "lost" is just asking for people to hate you even if its true

    I'll get to theedgedemon in the next post.
    Culvernpurplepirate
  • CrzyPsycoChickCrzyPsycoChick Posts: 667Member Intermediate

    1. YOU brought up politics first by lying and saying Hilary Clinton was one of my favorite politicians when NOBODY in the thread said a thing about any politician. You also just used ignorant circular logic to ASSUME because I didn't vote for Trump therefore I wanted Hilary because there is 2 dominant parties in America which is a Lie I didn't vote for either because here in the USA we have the right not to support ANYONE or a third party if we choose to. Next time ask before you assume If you don't want politics brought up don't bring them up then first. If you lie and say I love Hilary Clinton again I'll point out you're a strong supporter of Trump's policies simple as that.

    2. I don't care where you're from or what kind of country you grew up in. We argued about this before in world chat numerous times and you were NOT talking about purely anti-socialism you were declaring support for Trump's policies and attitude therefore that makes you a Trump SUPPORTER regardless of your nationality as he has supporters all over the globe and you're one of them. If you don't like being grouped in with "that crowd" refer to point #1 don't bring up politics FIRST in this thread. 



  • CocoaPuffBunnyCocoaPuffBunny Posts: 82Member Beginner
    I will NEVER get over the wipe;  It destroyed my Wanna Be Gamer Life.  I want to play, but I just cannot stomach it.  So, I am sticking around to hopefully witness their demise.  I also voted for Hillary, and Obama twice, and straight Democrat since 1976 and Carter.  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who DIDN'T vote for Hillary is a Trump Enabler.  Trump and his supporters are racist and mentally ill.  Now we have a Lying, Nut Job in Office.  I am so ashamed of this country, and no, I am not going back to Africa, which I know nothing about.  Send your Hater Mail here to me, I love reading it.  Smooches.
  • cages01cages01 Posts: 16Member Beginner
    Nah,i understand statistic very well but last night was real disaster. Usualy Gazi doing my ships but since i had SRI i wanted to give it a try and untill g5 everything vent pretty normal...  After that i had problems to grade even mat ships,also tryed 2 (or 3? not sure anymore) times to g6 my main ship without success... Ah well,atleast it wasnt retrograde,i guess i am lucky one :P
  • CulvernCulvern Posts: 646Member Intermediate
    I have always done my own grading until I failed and retrograded twice while going from g5 to g6 on my LLM while at 85%.
    At that point I was out of SRI and the price on those was over a billion at the time.
    Gazi saved my sanity that day!
    HuseyinGazi
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