Rare Ships ???

Recently Papaya had an event that if u spent a certain amount of money on UWC you would receive new and rare ships. One of the ships I was awarded was the Refitted Susan Constant. So I thought cool I am the proud holder of this limited (rare) ship. Then to my amazement I see these ships being advertised being sold on the Merchant chat, I thought ok some of the winners don't need the ship, and are selling them. Then I learn that to this day, they are still being given away in tickets form. How is this a rare ship ?? If it was a rare it isn't anymore. For all the people that spent their high dollar amounts to get these advertised rare ships, it is quite a let down that they are rare no longer. This doesn't instill much confidence for me in papaya at all. I spend thousands, yes thousands of dollars here, and I expect papaya to do what it advertises. Those ships that were awarded should have stayed solely given to those who won them, period. Not sold in ticket form so papaya can squeeze more money out of them. I would like an explanation, and compensation for falsely advertising a ship that was going to remain rare. At this point I'm finding it hard to have the confidence in papaya play to invest any more money in a game they represent. As far as I'm concerned we were already lied to once for the reason they erased our accounts. (to make money) And now the rare ships continue to be sold (to make money). Im going to give all at papaya a word of advice, respect your player base and do what you advertise, because without our thousands to fuel your furnace, your flames gonna go out. I respectfully wait your reply to this post.

Comments

  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    I understand your complaint. Papaya are shooting themselves in the foot by doing this.

    I've just picked up one on a Captain's ticket - obviously not rare now.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    Well... Just playing "Devils advocate' here but is that sich a bad thing? The last time they did that with the ROG it ended up being sold for crazy prices (over 100b) as are otherother ships that are rare. When this happends, everyone complains about the out of wack economy. One thing that turns off new players are all these overpriced uwc items. If papaya wants to seriously attract new players from steam then they will have to make stuff more afordable. That means making everthing more common to get in game.
    Spookles
    IGN: Samantha99
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    Hmm - I take your point PP. 

    From the financial perspective it's the rarity that makes it desirable. Whose going to pay $1k for a ship anyone can get with a single Captain's ticket?

    Maybe a rare ship ought to cost 100b ducats.
  • SpooklesSpookles Posts: 287Member Intermediate
    @Pp
    And we should start with SSIP. These things need to be around <10m, how do you get a new player excited about upgrading their ships if there's no way they can possibly afford it..
    purplepirate
  • carlalexcarlalex Posts: 187Member Trainee
    New players shouldnt be bothered with modding ships - by the time they have the skills and knowhow to do so they can no longer be considered new. SB is one of the tougher skills to grind.

    And its not like its hard to get ducats in the game.

    If you really think SSIP should be 10m, then why dont you spend some money on SSIP from the UWC shop and sell them for that ? You are free to do so. If you dont want to, then why should anybody else ?
  • SpooklesSpookles Posts: 287Member Intermediate
    It's not about them in the beginning, it's about attracting new players.

    If I was new to the game and I heard how much more power paying players have I'd turn away.
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    I think it has nothing to do with how new players are attracted to the game; or even how established players are encouraged to spend.

    Papaya have sold an item to a customer for a high dollar price on the promise it is 'Rare'. Then they have made the item readily available to everyone.

    What does it achieve?

    The customer feels betrayed and let down. She also feels stupid because she has allowed herself to be duped so easily.

    A business just cannot do that to it's customers. It undermines the goodwill.

    On top of that it's ethically wrong. It's the breaking of a promise.

    Whether or not it's good for newcomers is totally beside the point.
  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    Now are we talking 'rare' item or 'exclusive'? Because a rare item to me is something that i might miss but will have an opportunity later down the road to possibly get it again. An exclusive item would be a ONE time chance to get. Problem is that some items give a HUGE advantage over others.

    @TrinityofMarseille Although i empathize with you, you need to know that those ships wern't exclusive. Let me give you another example...
    Back at the server start there was a contest for 'first to level 60'. The first 5 people to reach it got 'rare' items. In maritime top 5 got black rong fu armor. This is the top cannon armor in the game and gives huge advantage to those that use it. So here we are a year later and if those 5 armors were (if those players are even still playing) the only ones on the server, they would be unbalance in the game. Personally I'd be more pissed if they never released them again for others to get chance to get. As new players enter the game there must be a chance to get or why bother even playing if all the top items were 'exclusive'. No player would join as the game would be to unbalanced. I missed it when it was released in the cove but atleast theres more copies on the game now that i have chance to buy if I ever need.
    IGN: Samantha99
  • LawAngelLawAngel Posts: 15Member Beginner
    I Prefer the Martial Artist Outfit. +3 Penetration, +3 SP and +2 SM. Same stats as the rong fu

  • purplepiratepurplepirate Posts: 994Member Intermediate
    @LawAngel it's not just about the stats. It's also about the skill set offered. Your outfit is more for melee while black rong fu is pure sea fighting
    IGN: Samantha99
  • laffielaffie Posts: 1Member Beginner
    why when u didnt win a ship u complain , when u win a ship u also complain xD
  • SpooklesSpookles Posts: 287Member Intermediate

    Went and see what event you're on about.
    They never said the ship is rare or exclusive or any of the things mentioned above. It was a gift for spending a generous amount of money.
    So as a player I appreciate you spending a wealthy amount into Papaya and keeping the servers running.
  • TrinityofMarseilleTrinityofMarseille Posts: 9Member Beginner
    It said rare, I know it did, but ok, if i could delete the whole topic I would, but there are others that remember reading rare, not just me. But ok, Smooth Sailing Everyone !!!!!!

    purplepiratelefox271
  • FlorianGeyerFlorianGeyer Posts: 214Member Trainee
    I remember having a discussion here before the Papaya server went online, about the advantage of CS items over in-game items. The point of the discussion was on how CS items would/could affect on the future of the game. 

    At one point we all agreed that when CS items would create a gap in power and wealth between paying players and new players or non-paying players, the game would be doomed to die again because new players would feel chanceless and so no longer feel attracted and they would eventually quit.
    So we suggested CS items had to have more like a prestigious aspect and minor advantages than to OP it's owners.

    As such the Susan Constant would be a symbol of prestige and might, as it does, grant an advantage in cargo, but it cannot have powers that will disadvantage players who don't own one. That way, it is a balanced choice to either invest in one or not. Also people who cannot afford it won't be harmed in their abilities of playing along with the "big boys" and even they might have a mission; to obtain prestige by saving to one day buy that Susan Constant they always dreamed of, as soon as they saved those billions of Ducats...

    So the way it should be managed, as we then suggested, would be like:
    - CS items should have a well balanced / well thought out advantage over non-owning players, not disadvantaging them.
    - CS items with a rare status should be rare because they are "nice to have" items, NOT "be way to OP" items. (Prestige status)
    - CS items, especially absolute rare items should then indeed cost a price but not in a way these items demotivate new players and non-paying players to match players who own them. They won't outbalance the game advantaging their owners. On the contrary, it would offer new players and non-paying the choice when seduced or jealous on seeing them, to effectively invest a few dollars in the game, if they are able to. And to Papaya it gives a guarantee they won't quit because they cannot match to the more advanced, or veteran players. 

    I conclude that what Papaya is doing at the moment is pointing out more to the direction of silently killing the game in a way OGP did before. However, having a change of course is still possible, it's up to you Papaya. Have a good advice by reading our feedback, that's what we do it for!

    Yours,
     Flo!
    Be safe and prosper!
  • WesDoobnerWesDoobner Posts: 761Member Intermediate
    I'm going to build a hansa cog with noc wood panel, it will be so rare that it's one of a kind. How many people are going to be lining up to buy that? If it were me I would not buy something based on rarity, that just artificially inflates the otherwise correct price of something.
    May the winds blow you well
  • lefox271lefox271 Posts: 495Member Intermediate
    Wes you are confusing 'rarity' with 'perversity'.
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    Well papaya gotta pay for the server. They could either give you true rarest ships but run out of hype, or feed you with something which you would not refuse (even though you may not be impressed with).

    I feel sorry for PO already spent several thousands just within the first year. I spent the similar amount on OGP but through many years. I eventually learnt that the more I spent, the less I appreciate the game content. It was a big mistake.

    A few dozen dollars per month is considered healthy, but any extravagant amount above that would simply kill the game, yes, kill. Because it gives the host a unsustainable mirage of profit guidence, and encourage them further on releasing overpower stuff.

    Items like SSIP are supposed to be obtainable from milestone quests such as discovering xanadu, or communal activities such as battle tournament (is there one with papaya?) and premium store is supposed to be a convenience option. Same as a lot of premium ship parts. Ships should be rewarded as people reach certain premium VIP grade. Lottery awards are supposed to be just additional spice on top, not the main staple.

    Oh well, i hope whatever marketing strategy Papaya adopts doesnt get themselves bankrupted.


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