Papaya

marcie90 · March 2020

When is Papaya going to realise they are not the right publisher for WarRock?
Being the first publisher not to reinject retails.

These guys are delusional.
Even now they are selling boxes where you can win a "retail", just a bunch of scammers.

Papaya, why are you ruining this game?

You kinda fixed ovc and hack but are so wrong on all the other problems.
I have spend alot of money to get those retails, especially my 8th slot retail wich is now expiring.

I can't be the only one with this issue? maybe my old black famas retail is next? what a disgrace.

DragonForceWR · March 2020

@marcie90

When is Papaya going to realise they are not the right publisher for WarRock?
Being the first publisher not to reinject retails.

Wrong.You missunderstood the Situation here.

1. Old GamersFirst Retails (8 slot Famas, Ai_Aw, M134, Famas etc) are counting / set as Default Weapons (like Mp5 or Pzf)

Those Retails / Perms are truely PERMANENT. You will never see a Timer on those.

2. GamersFirst also Sold 10 years (3650 Days) Weapons / Packages with the
addiditonal information that the time will be extended by request.
PapayaPlay continues to extend & reinject those Retails / 10 Years
Items. Just send a Ticket. The counter of those Items are visible as soon as they reach 1820 Days (5 Years) .Those Items were sold in 2012. The time of those weapons should be visible since ~2017 (already PapayaPlay)

3. Nexon sold Permanents which arent true Permanents. Those Permanents are
Weapons / Items which will expire after ~5000 Days (~13 Years).

~5000 Days - 1820 Days = ~3180 Days ( ~8 - 9 Years)

Every Retail / Permanent which someone won while Nexon was Publisher will show the counter between 2020 - 2025.

Nexon never wrote that they will extend / reinject those Items. Nor they told us that "Permanent" means 5000 Days and not rl Perm so PapayaPlay wont reinject those Retails.

4. PapayaPlay will reinject every Weapon ("Permament" or Items with Duration) if you lost them by a Bug. Just send a Ticket.

5. As you should be able to see now. PapayaPlay isnt the first Publisher which doesnt "reinject" Permaments. Its the first Publisher with the issue that the Counters starts to be visible again. G1 never had those Problems and Nexon sold the game before they could have had that Issue. You should cry at Nexon's Forum about that they lied to us about Permaments. PapayaPlay doesnt need to reinject those Weapons. Even G1 10 years Items reinjection are only a action of goodwill because GAMERSFIRST GAVE US THAT PROMISE! NOT PAPAYAPLAY.

marcie90 · March 2020

My 8th slot item was bought at the same time as i got my Famas permanent. But started to show the timer a few days ago. So, i made another ticket about that.

Okay, i get it. But it's in Papaya's best interest to extend the times on those permanent weapons. It remains the same game.People are not looking at the publishers for those issue's. Game stays the same. Alot of players and myself are just not spending money anymore.

Now Papaya is looking bad because of Nexon's decisions. And that's a shame.

So, if i buy a box at Papaya and win a permanent, it is a real retail or another 5 or 10 years?

riuzaky12 · March 2020

It really doesnt matter, all the account datas were carried over to papaya and so did all the conditions attached to the weapons sold. They were sold as permanent, 5000 days is not permanent. It is papaya's duty as the new publisher to reinject these weapons or to find a way to make them permenent because WR earned its previous publishers literally millions. People paid for permanent weapons and they were sold as permanent just as the 8th slot g1 retails, so they should remain permanent because those were the contractual terms people agreed upon when purchasing the packages from NX shops. I see no reason why the 3650 days weapons should be reinjected and the NX permanents shouldnt.
Is it convenient to papaya to reinject these weapons? Probably not, still, they are obliged to. They should take it out on nexon for screwing them over when transferring the game to them, not on the players. It damages the player base which paid for permanent weapons.
Your account is literally packed with NX retails so you cant disagree with me.

-Nexon never wrote that they will extend / reinject those Items. Nor they told us that "Permanent" means 5000 Days and not rl Perm so PapayaPlay wont reinject those Retails.

So you are just assuming they wouldnt reinject those when the time was due? 5000 days was just their workaround because probably the game system could not support a permanent duration of the weapons.
They never claimed they would NOT reinject those right? That is completely, and conveniently, Papaya's decision not to. Nexon is a multi-billionaire company, its revenue was close to 2 billion dollars in 2018. I dont see why they would not reinject these weapons and scam their players over.

DragonForceWR · March 2020

@marcie90

So, if i buy a box at Papaya and win a permanent, it is a real retail or another 5 or 10 years?

- "Permanents" at PapayaPlay are 5000 Days aswell. You can look that up in the Code if you open the

"item.bin" file (WarRock Folder -> Data -> Item.bin) with an Binreader.

If you look up the Military Supply Boxes you will see a line which looks like this:

PackageComponent = CK02,DT17/1,DJ20/3,DJ58/5,DJ61/7,DT73/10,DK31/15,DJ41/20,D834/30,DJ28/40,DJ46/45,DJ62/60,DT34/100,DT07/120,DJ06/365,DT01/5000

Those red marked Numbers (i marked them for you so its visible / more clear) are the durations.

1 Days, 3 Days, 5 Days, 7 Days, 10 Days, 15 Days, 20 Days, 30 Days, 40 Days, 45 Days, 60 Days, 100 Days, 120 Days, 365 Days and 5000 Days. As you now the last Icon at the Military Supply "Roulette" is "Permament" and not 5000 Days. So here u go with ur Answer.

@riuzaky12

So you are just assuming they wouldnt reinject those when the time was due? 5000 days was just their workaround because probably the game system could not support a permanent duration of the weapons.

- You might be right in some way but its no problem for the System to stack up the Time higher than 5000 Days. For example. I know that some of my Permaments (those which i have won several times) will expire in the year 2100+ (so in +80 Years or +29k Days)

So why 5000 Days ? and not 10k ? or 20k ? If it was a "workaround" it was an intentional "workaround" or a rly bad decision.

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But afterall i am not PapayaPlay, G1 or Nexon or an Developer from Dream Execution. Everything i can do is to explain things and speculate Publisher's decisions based on my knowledge.

I am just a player like you guys. I am good in explaining stuff because of the fact that i have the "advanced knowlegde" of the game, my interests in the game and its mechanics, my 14 years ingame experience and plenty conversations with HGMs.

We will need to wait for an statement from the team at this one to be 100% sure.

Oh and btw. Feel free to ask me anything related to the Game. i might be able to give you the right answer :)

DragonForce / Moritz

riuzaky12 · March 2020

Still, I remember that as the transfer to NX occurred, people who had bought more than 1 8th slot retail lost it in the transfer. G1 developed an in-house system for players to have more than 1 retail per account and choose the one they wanted to use through their website. The retail carried over was the one that was selected on the account when the transfer took place. After realizing the mistake NX started complaining to G1 and (although it was also the players complaining on their forum, but I do not believe that this was the the element that pushed G1 to take action) G1 rebuilt the purchase history of every account so that NX could reinject the weapons. I know its not exactly the same but NX made noise and G1 complied, instead NX could just take it out on the players and say sorry, 'sorry, those datas got lost in the transfer, but you can purchase these new random boxes with an increased chance!' What changed? The game got smaller so there are less players complaining, not enough for Papaya to take action I guess. I also have my account packed with G1 and NX retails, I spent thousands for weapons sold as permanent, and they should be permanent, it does not matter that it is not Papaya's fault, considering everything got transferred it is just fair that the permanent weapons stay permanent because those were the contractual terms people agreed upon when purchasing the packages from NX shops just as with the 10 years weapon from G1, i do not see any difference between the two except for the fact that the NX permanents are far more common than the G1 350 days weapons.

riuzaky12 · March 2020

Come on Papaya, you can do the right thing and be the good guy! Dont ignore this issue and all the unhappy players. It is not like this harms you anyhow considering most of these weapons expire in 10+ years, in the end it is just a number which appears under everyone's weapons - its just a psychological trick, its not like your sales are going to be harmed short term or at all by this and like this you can treat your players and make them happier. Great chance to increase user's love in your regards and paint nexon as the bad guy here. All it takes is a few clicks.
This is just as if you are renting a flat, and the owner of the flat you are renting sells it to another owner. The contractual terms of your rent stay the same even with the new owner. It is just the right thing to do.

sanpsteam5 · March 2020

Papaya is doing a goood job, but dream execution doesnt let them do better, it will always be more a dream execution problem

riuzaky12 · March 2020

Its up to papaya whether to reinject players the permanent weapons they bought. If they were not intended to be permanent they'd write '5000 days', just as it is written in the M60 Epic package in the shop, if you check, it contains a mystery box where it is written that you got a chance at winning it for 5000 days. All the other boxes just say permanent.

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