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  • LerxstLerxst Posts: 111Member Trainee
    @FrozenRuby that may have been my bad at misinterpreting. 

    This assumes a server wipe resets the server to square one, and not just deletes the characters. If the characters are simply wiped and the ports are all unlocked, then yes, you could just power level a trader to max in a short amount of time with just a few Spice runs, once you unlock that skill.

    I'd like to think, though, that a server wipe would actually mean a server reset, so it's not just the characters starting over, but it would be all the nations, as a whole, starting over... and that almost creates and entirely new game than the one every remembers playing for the past few years.

    What I mean is that, when the server starts over from scratch, there will be no exotic ports open to any nation. Traders are going to have to trade common goods between European ports before their nation unlocks the more exotic ports - that's how the NA server started off when UWO made its western debut.

    Just for that process alone, you're looking at a couple weeks of play. During that time, you may be able to level trade a bit, but not be near the max. Spice Trading in the Mediterranean is tedious and brings a relatively low profit.

    There is, of course the feather trade... which I won't go into, as it is a rarely known or used method between two very specific ports.

    I really hope that any version of a server wipe that Papaya might consider, would actually mean a completely fresh installation of the game on their servers, resetting everything back to Day 1.

    kingco
  • darknightowldarknightowl Posts: 19Member Beginner
    I agree with a server wipe. There are players with WAY too many ducats, who cause the economy to inflate out of control. Most new players leave the game once they see how much players are charging for gear/ships/etc/etc.

    This would also get rid of God Gear/cannons/etc, therefore restoring an equal playing field. As long as no new items of the sort are returned, the "every 2 years" argument would be flushed.

  • WendyWindblowsWendyWindblows Posts: 56Member Beginner
    Lerxest. IT IS NOT  the North American release. this is THE GLOBAL server. when netmarbles started hosting UWO the servers were in Korea. Gama is the global server, for those countries that do not have their own dedicated server , like japan taiwan and korea. Not many players have been around as long as me , i started playing within the first 5 min os closed beta , i was playing within the first 5 min of open beta. Just because at present the server is located in america , does not make it the american version of the game . get your facts right before you spout rubbish 

    Idsadar
  • danhm001danhm001 Posts: 59Member Beginner
    want to stop that 40B ships.....stablish a cheques limit....let say....10...plus ur 200m ...... wiping is easy but player that are hardcore are going to be top players in no time (again)
  • AdelinaKazAdelinaKaz Posts: 83Member Beginner
    It is necessary to remove astro-ships, accelerators, investment tickets. You can leave all other things and spare parts, then you can level all players. If there is an opportunity for everyone to build a ship at the shipyard, there will be no inflation. The difference in the price of ships will only be due to the improvement of the ship. The speed, strength, power of the ship will directly depend on the player's ability to improve the ship, and not on the amount of money that he spent on the bottle. 
    It is necessary to remove astro-ships, accelerators, investment tickets. You can leave all other things and spare parts, then you can level all players. If there is an opportunity for everyone to build a ship at the shipyard, there will be no inflation. The difference in the price of ships will only be due to the improvement of the ship. The speed, strength, power of the ship will directly depend on the player's ability to improve the ship, and not on the amount of money that he spent on the bottle. 
    So: 
    1. All ships should be standard and built in the shipyard, and not fall out in bottles. 
    2. They can be improved depending on the level of shipbuilding of the player, including astro-spare parts. 
    3. Remove all accelerators of speed, skills, experience, speed of shipbuilding
    khylahprairiedog
  • AdelinaKazAdelinaKaz Posts: 83Member Beginner
    We built this world for a long time from scratch, and players who come to the ready game world probably think that having zeroed it, they can quickly raise their levels. No, my dear, it will not be so easy. Before you take care and raise yourself, you will have to raise the world in which you are going to evolve. And this is beyond the power alone, this involved the whole community as a whole, and engaged in the years. And I understand those who do not want to go through this again.
    Idsadar
  • FrozenRubyFrozenRuby Posts: 286Member Intermediate
    but think about it at the new players perspective u want to know why we don't have alot of new players its because every one practically hangs out in seville or london or in EU in general so few ships so few players venture forth into hostile waters, i am a pirate i barely see merchant fleets roaming the waters on known trade routes that have been established for years, the only places getting pirate attention are boston, santo domingo, calicut, jakarta, ambon and EA waters, because these are where merchants have to venture thru on trade routes not in open water, and there is still so few i have not see a sabuk or xebec in years on the open seas, there is just the standard players the old vets and a few players that stick around but not for very long after they see the insane inflation in seville or london or trade chat. this server needs a fresh wipe and removing the astro ships would be a good idea u won't have battle 16 players rolling in a MAV at like day 1 of joining the game, or at 21 with a MFCV, everyone would be on somewhat equal footing without astro ships, sure alot of people would complain but look at japan server they don't have the ingame cash shop, they don't have astro ships. and their flourishing. so why can't we were the global server. what we loose in players we will easily regain, and as for the community needed to reopen ports outside EU that the fun of the game, something many players here i mean many have never experienced that thrill of getting ur nation to unlock that port it would bring alot of players out of EU to unlock carribean to unlock india and sea and EA and america's it would bring back so much to the game that its worth loosing a few players to bring back the reason for the game we are uncharted waters online a age of sails game, not the age of sitting ports all day game.  make the right choice devs wipe the server. remove astro ships. and fix the problems that befall our server
    khylahDragonEmpressDragonChild
  • FlorianGeyerFlorianGeyer Posts: 214Member Trainee
    I like to see we are coming to a more constructive discussion. A wipe would indeed have his advantages and disadvantages to as well new as vet players but we may not be blind for each other (decent) arguments. Apart from reactions, clearly posted by "mad" people, we can start working toward a solution at this point I think. Or at least a proposal since it will be Papaya who makes the decision in the end.

    Every change to come will have impact on other aspects of the game.
    Every change made in the past is an excellent proof of that.
    I understand vets who risk loosing years of progress not yet to mention the real cash they have invested in the game. Even while the terms of service say so, a deletion of their belongings is somehow theft while UWO will simply continue existing. If it was for a definitive stop of the game then it is another situation that would rectify it. But taking away all vets have built so far including their personal belongings in order to please the few to come and the few who can live with the loss of their investments because they have time and money to do it all over again... I don't know it doesn't feel right. Me for example, I have to work hard every day to earn my loan and when there were a few coins left by the end of the month, I carefully bought a few astros in the past, loosing them is painful to me.

    On the other hand, I do imagine it would be lovely to start it all over from scratch with an enthusiast community of fresh newbies and experienced vets hand in hand. The knowledge and lessons we have from the past would then (maybe) guarantee decisions can be made that will not destroy the in-game inflation. If you do so, I'd definatly join in!! But at least somehow a compensation or solution should be found then to compensate the loss of all we had before.

    If it are 2 servers we need, hen let is be so (GAMA + a fresh server). If another solution to fix the inflation- and other problems can be found, then I prefer so!

    I overall conclude most arguments are about:
    - OP cashshop items such as certain CS ships, clothes, tickets,...
    - Inflation broke down the game and keeps newbies from continuing.
    - The balance between multiple account usage and the purpose to do so should be fixed and limited.
    Apart from those points I note as well that some of u see it as a goal of the game to have new players meet up with the top. If you play UWO to be at the top, then I am convinced you are playing the wrong game.

    For as far as I see, all reasons that do not particularly need a solution as extreme as a server wipe, but they do need solutions definatly and as fast as possible indeed. So from now on I would kindly as all of u do do your best to help us find that solution as a community, the solution UWO deserves!

    Yours,
     Flo
    Be safe and prosper!
  • DeadSkinMaskDeadSkinMask Posts: 23Member Beginner
    Then whos guna make your ships when you're up there? Me thinks your just a banned player wanting to start on the even playing field you do not deserve.
  • GreetjeRijkGreetjeRijk Posts: 44Member Beginner
    Genocide on new host doesn't give confidence to new and old players.

    Worse comes to worse, there be no more new host to carry this MMORPG, and you guys will start pointing fingers at all the previous hosts.
  • kezziekezzie Posts: 2Member Beginner
    The opening post made a few remarks.."start everyone on a level playing field"..well, every toon ever made started out at the base level,but if you refer to everyone at the same time,then why? that is of course possible on a new fresh server, but the server just closing on GAMA needs not to be wiped in any possible way, it holds all those years and years of player interaction within the game, all of it, the good and the bad, should not ever be altered or removed, it itself is now a historical legacy of every toon that ever played within it, whats more, its still alive and breathing, changing , crafted  day after day by all who  make their home within it.

    "The game is old and is ruled by the top 1%".  Who are these top 1% and what exactly do they rule?...Total codswallop, there are hundreds of ways to play  and enjoy the game, as i indeed have done for years. Itry most things in UWO, i have my favourite interests just like anyone else, but have never met this so called top 1% or indeed any  other player who rules my game or my characters.

    "New players feel overwhelmed". Oh really? I tend to think that the original new players who were there at the beginning of the game where in a far more overwhelming situation than todays new players, who have many more benefits  that come in many different  guises, to help ease their characters into the ways of UWO.
  • theedgedemontheedgedemon Posts: 237Member Trainee
    @darknightowl but the cannon forging tools are attainable in game with relative ease albeit at a slow rate with ESF, you could make your own god cannons... if you where willing to invest the time to gather your parts or trade enough to build the money to buy the forging tools.

    @AdelinaKaz  you do notice the game needs someone to pay for it and NC ships and boosters are the reason we still had a game until now no?, not to mention one of the next updates includes "the possibility to make virtually infinite upgrades to ANY SHIP" which makes NC ships advantage the reduced levels bragging rights and little more on a few stats, hell there is at least one ship now which NC version is widely considered inferior to the FS one.

    @FrozenRuby aside from the Caribbean gold and luxuries,  India/SEA spice and EA goods there have never been any viable trade routes, what established routes do you talk about if you remove those?  also no one with a brain would hug the coast in any long range trading which is the reason most pirates just port camp.

     not to mention if you haven't seen sambuks you should have been in seville far too long,  they are far too common since they became school  rewards. i was here back when it was the fastest trade ship you could get and there were less sambuks then than there are now.

    kanattadunyou
    Desire spawns madness, madness collapses into disaster.
    mankind never learns...
  • GreetjeRijkGreetjeRijk Posts: 44Member Beginner
    I have been playing since the day of NetMarble time, returned about 1 year after OGPlanet took over. Couldn't retrieve back my old accounts so had to start anew. It's disheartening to have server wipe/account unable to retrieve again due to host change, if this ever happen once more, it be 3rd occurrence to me.

    If server wipe was to request upon each host change, I think majority of concurrent players will not spend a cent on supporting the game. And history will just repeat itself.

    Players come and go from time to time, however, to enforce an action that eliminates players confidence in the host, it be equivalent to a genocide.
  • KatanauwoKatanauwo Posts: 309Member Intermediate
    You see, those who shout on wipe are new players who are unwilling to spend money to catch up with veteran players. The motivation for suggesting wipe is to achieve less spending at the cost of other established player and Papaya Player's revenue stream.

    I bet they would only stay a few months after wipe before going to other games, and leaving behind a shee(i)t hole.

    Then UWO has a bad reputation of reseting / wiping every now and then. Speculations run around, and nobody are willing to spend real money in this game. And then GG for everyone.

    If new players insist on playing with wiped condition, at the best we let them have a new server which is subscription based ($50 per month per account). If they choose not to subscribe, they still could play, but then they could not interact with other players, such as fleeting, trading, bazaaring.
     
    IdsadarCrismac
  • AdelinaKazAdelinaKaz Posts: 83Member Beginner
    @theedgedemon I'm against resetting the server. I expressed my opinion on the mistakes of innovations that destroyed the economy and the structure of the game. If you remove only astro-ships and accelerators, and sell parts, storage, SSIP, clothes and other outfits (there are a lot of things in the bottle and the astro-shop), you can both earn and balance the game.
  • HeavyWaterHeavyWater Posts: 138Member Trainee
    @AdelinaKaz
    To clarify, your suggestion is to remove all the stuff that makes people want to spend real money, yet somehow this still earns Papaya money?
    It's alright, Ma, I'm only bored.
  • NellemusNellemus Posts: 141Member Trainee
    Wipping server will force 70% of old players to quit.
    Doubt anyone who invested around 8 years in game will continue it.
    World Most Wanted Pirate
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  • FrozenRubyFrozenRuby Posts: 286Member Intermediate
    @theedgedemon just cause u consider hugging the coast as a trade route there is a lovely route everyone takes either going to india SEA or EA they take the route under cape town, as for carribean that route depends on if everyone is going in and out of seville u have the route from seville to caribbean pretty well defined as an established route outside safe waters, pirates used to strike along those route out in the middle of the ocean with no land in sight. now to avoid seem like i'm complaining about the pirate issue, to reiterate a wipe would solve many issues, for 
    1 u remove the huge lvl difference between all players at the start, 
    2. u remove the mass need for multis early on, 
    3. u reset the content giving every nation something to work towards by creating a need to leave EU waters to get back to running those much wanted routes for spice luxuries and nanban, this gives everyone something to do rather then cluttering EU main cities, 
    4. it provides a massive boost to the astro shop everyone is going to want that quick boost to get their account ahead of the others, 
    5. by wiping the server we may loose many vets but we are a global server we are not going to loose enough players to really hurt this games financial income
    . 6. as for the theft of items from the players that bought astros/NC over the years u payed money for that small piece of virtual item which is still owned by UWO u are just using it by paying a certain amount of real money to have access to that item. 
    7. Papaya gets a real estimate to how many actual players are on their server, instead of being flooded with mutli's at the relaunch.
    8. gives papaya/koei a better idea on what content to release and gives them considerable leaway going forward.

    khylahprairiedogDragonEmpressDragonChild
  • IdsadarIdsadar Posts: 140Member Trainee
    Well Ruby..it will allways be a huge difference between the old players with exp and the new ones.
    2: If you want to boost your acc or skills or whatever in the game,the Astros alone won t help.You need some items,tech,skills and alot of exp in some domain to be able to rise up fast.And only the oldest players in the game can provide this.
    3: The vets represent maybe 80% of the players in the game right now. If they leave you don t know if alot of new players will come to this game,to replace them,or if they will stay long enough in the game to unlock everything that needs to be unlocked in the game and aquire the skills needed to craft all the items in the game.And these old players invested alot of money in this game and keep it running for the last years untill now.
    4: Any player in the game should count for the developers. ANY last one.So they should find a solution to keep the old players in and bring some new players allso.
    This is my opinnion and i m shure every one who post here, for or against reseting everything,have their points,but Papaya need to find a middle way to solve the issues without hurting the old or the new arrived players.
  • ConcernedTravelerConcernedTraveler Posts: 42Member Beginner
    I am completely opposed to a wipe.  I don't believe it addresses ANY existing problems we have in any lasting way and things will quickly be back on their way to how they are now.  I have expounded on this in great detail in other threads.  I urge you to read my other posts if you are really stuck on this wipe thing.   

    (*Edit*  No need to bother with my other posts, I seem to have been triggered and gone off again here.  This just seems so effing stupid I can't help it.  After this I swear to God I'm not reading any more of these mind numbing "wipe the server it will be awesome" threads... anyway...)

    I just want to point out to these nostalgic vets imagining a wipe will reset the server to "day 1"... One of the few and only things Vertigo has actually stated is they will be releasing the next expansion very soon after relaunch.  So your glory days of short distance trade, feather runs, and worrying about developing ports that are now all but irrelevant is a delusion.  Sure, the adventurers and people who actually enjoy crafting will work on city development.  But the cogs in the ducat consuming, astro churning, grinding machine will pay it no mind (more on that in a sec).  If there is going to be a wipe it will coincide with the current expansion as we knew it and quickly be followed by the next one.

    And if I can unlock all ports and canals without even doing any trading, it's not likely that fooling around in India or the Carib will concern the power levellers rushing to get Nanban unlocked and get the ducats flowing.

    If there is a wipe but no rollback to remove expansion content then we will have all the advantages of charting, battle reports, raising hints II, and all the other current tricks of the trade.  And while a lot of vets (including myself) will quit, some will undoubtedly return to quickly capitalize on the situation.  Knowing all the ins and outs from creating alts recently, they will blow through early game like it's a joke.  Especially those that can afford to play bottles till they get a good ship and run skill notes and every 50% boost under the sun.

    Returning vets will be nanbanning their faces off in no time and blowing the ducats on astro gear and ships.  People who can afford to sell astro items and don't have to worry about making money in game along with the career resellers will be raking in those ducats and they will be trying to hike up prices as much as possible to their own benefit.  And keep in mind, if they are even a little bit patient, with all the advantages we have now and returning players knowing exactly what to do and when to do it EA goods will be back in the bazaars in no time.

    People who only want to maritime and can afford to blow a lot on astros will be out grinding in NC ships in no time flat, buying whatever they need with ducats gotten from selling astro items to the people furiously nanbanning to come up the hard way .  And again, they will want as much as they can get for the astro items and NC ships.

    The big time astro buyers, the resellers, and even the experienced Nanbanners will quickly leave any casual players or new players trying to get their bearing in the dust.  So fast their heads will spin.  Sure a few of you that return will be nice and help out the newbies. 
    But it will matter little once the machine gets going again.

    Playing field quickly returning to uneven.  Economy quickly inflating.

    Nothing solved.  What-so-ever.

    Oh wait, and what was that thing about a mass exodus of veteran players?  They supported the game through the years or whatever.  You know... the ones that get boned or something.  Or maybe it was the ones that don't matter now cause the game doesn't need them or would be better without them or something... and more new players will come anyway. 

    That's right... and the new players are gonna love trying to compete with the big astro spenders and resellers and experienced nanbanners that return to capitalize on the situation.  Cause this is post-wipe and it's all better now.  That's what it was.

    Boy, if it doesn't work out though... it will kinda be a shame all those stupid vets left that the game didn't need.  But of course it will work out.  It's a fool-proof plan if I've ever heard one.

    You know, maybe, just maybe, if people came up with intelligent solutions to the problems in the game that we could agree on.  Instead of  "DERRRR... Let's delete everything! HERRR DERRRR !!!"  Maybe Vertigo would listen and this game would have a chance at new life and a healthy population.

    I hope to God someone at Vertigo has some good ideas because otherwise I think we are in big trouble.

    IdsadarkhylahCrismac
  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    Wipping server will force 70% of old players to quit.
    Doubt anyone who invested around 8 years in game will continue it.

    I think 70% is somewhat exaggerated number because many players probably are still addicted to UWO while there will many new or former players will join. However, I do agree wipe isn't good news for many players especially spent on cash shop for many years.

    For off topic, I tried to register Korean, Chinese, or Japanese server so that i could play UWO till relaunch date,but it turned out that I am such hopeless because I would need Citizen ID, Voice via phone, etc. I guess I will have to wait till 18th.
    xibwiz
  • HeavyWaterHeavyWater Posts: 138Member Trainee
    @LyonesseJoseph
    Try the Taiwanese server, it doesn't require any of that, I've played on it before.
    It's alright, Ma, I'm only bored.
  • HeavyWaterHeavyWater Posts: 138Member Trainee
    Actually on second thoughts, might go do that now. If anyone else decides to we could get together or something for the next few weeks.
    It's alright, Ma, I'm only bored.
  • GreetjeRijkGreetjeRijk Posts: 44Member Beginner
    Don't need server wipe, UWO will most likely downed like all other games Papaya hosting.
    Technical issues unsolved for over a year on Dekaron, and they are not going to do anything about the IP licence.
    Most likely asians will be out of the league, unless using VPN service which is annoying, also encourage abusive usage.
  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    Try the Taiwanese server, it doesn't require any of that, I've played on it before.

    Oh, I will try that.

    Don't need server wipe, UWO will most likely downed like all other games Papaya hosting.
    Technical issues unsolved for over a year on Dekaron, and they are not going to do anything about the IP licence.

    Most likely asians will be out of the league, unless using VPN service which is annoying, also encourage abusive usage.

    Damn, it's not good news.

    Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_oG9fiDJ84  ,but it has porn contents, though. Anyway, this link will show you how to bypass IP Block without using VPN.
  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    Look like Wasabi has same issue as OGP did. If I read correctly, OCT 17th will be last day for Great Maritime Online (UWO) and Wasabi. I assume GMO will transfer to new host. All links except news are unusable now.
  • HeavyWaterHeavyWater Posts: 138Member Trainee
    @LyonesseJoseph
    Where did you find that?
    It's alright, Ma, I'm only bored.
  • LyonesseJosephLyonesseJoseph Posts: 637Member Intermediate
    http://gvo.wasabii.com.tw/index.aspx
  • HeavyWaterHeavyWater Posts: 138Member Trainee
    Yeah I've been through there, even googled it, couldn't find anything suggesting they Wasabi was discontinuing hosting.
    It's alright, Ma, I'm only bored.
  • GreetjeRijkGreetjeRijk Posts: 44Member Beginner
    I tried a few proxy IP.
    SG/HK IP will get blocked.
    Korea and Japan are not block.
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