Plea to fellow UWO players

pieratthe · October 2017

No i'm afraid ur just mistaken again clem, just like the server only lasting 6 months. It's okay. But no, everyone of my bans come from telling Coolwind about his lies, and calling him saulcaine in forum. Yea i did at the end of netmarble and the beginning i was running 4 toons. But soon as i got that warning i stopped cause i know he was only waiting for 1 more excuse to delete my toons. And the main reason i got away with it for so long during OGP was cause i was elysium. lolol i know right :D

clemsonfan · October 2017

pie it really doesnt even matter anymore i dont care. here is the jist of it. you are a loudmouth bombastic clown. you got what you wanted piracy rules and rollback . i got screwed over but thats ok im pissed and you are my target today. why because you think its gonna be so easy for the server to recover from this and in truth it wont. depending on what rules are re-instated and what isn't will go along wat to decide how long this server lasts now.

deck battle return will be good. but forging tools will end up being source of controversy again in my opinion. maybe i am wrong .

i don't have issue with item plunder so long as it is like before and not cash shop items or memorial album items. trade goods and craftable stuff or stuff that is able to be re-attained should be fair game.

pillage order farming if allowed will be source of much grief and arguements. it was before and i can already see you and killadub frothing at the mouth for that.

griefers hitting toons over and over again also if allowed will hurt. and cause many players to walk away.

tell me what of these things i am wrong about.

crazyhunter2003 · October 2017

4 toons in dungeon....sounds like a violation to me

pieratthe · October 2017

@clem There will always be one side of an argument unhappy with a decision. The difference is even thou it didn't go my way last time i still played and still supported. Sure i was a "loudmouth bombastic clown" ...

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....... and? I love being the target, much easier when u trick ur prey into coming to you.

Now let me destroy your forging tool argument. Ok yes when they were first released it made the cash players (aren't or weren't u a cash player) more powerful than they non-paying player cause they were non-tradeable. These last tools or at least during OGP was tradable. So it didn't make non-paying players less powerful, you just had to spend more time getting money to purchase those (which i think was sold pretty regular in merc chat to other players) than a pay player.. but isn't that the point. You either pay now or u play later to get the stuff. Kinda how it works. Only time it really becomes a pay2win game, is when the OP (overpowered) items are non-tradable. Otherwise just spend some of those checks u get from running multiple toons.

@crazy Yea it was a violation, i was doing it same as almost 50%+ of the population. But then OGP became vocal about it being against ToS and actually started punishing peeps for violations. That's why i stopped. But some didn't, and used otherways to get around it, won't call clem's name outloud... oh. Again i say anyone who's mad at the fact that i will take an SS and turn it in, are the people who plan on running more toons than allowed just to get ahead cause they can't do it w/o that extra assistance.

clemsonfan · October 2017

pie you keep accusoing me of multi and thats fine you are just a clown who cant stand you got banned and i didnt why did i not get banned if i were a multi? cause tiger lives in another house so i was within Tos. guess you arent smart enough to realize that... think what you will i don't care had more than one convo with gms before. they all never once even suspended us. but hey what do i know.

guess it sucks that so many people dislike you and don't wanna play with you.

for me it is a blessing to have my son with me. you won't see that cause you are blind with hate and rage for me. thats ok too.

say what you want it doesnt even matter

pieratthe · October 2017

LOLOL i just dislike ur attitude, don't dislike u as a person. What u mean. LOLOL lots of peeps want to play this game with me ;) For the last time, everyone knows i got banned for attacking OGP/Coolwind NOT for multi-boxing. Again, i got banned for standing up to a tyrant. Unlike some of you, who just bowed ur head, took ur beating, and didn't say anything. At least i wasn't scared to take a stand against something i had a problem with. People like me in history helped shape the world into what it is today, people like you are in history as well, people like u help built the pyramids. So which is better, being defiant like me towards tyranny, or a slave to the establishment? Don't know about you, but i don't prefer to be the latter. Remember i volunteered to fight for my country when we needed it.

crazyhunter2003 · October 2017

recent discoveries show that the pyramids were not built buy slavesmbut rather by paid workers

WesDoobner · October 2017

Egyptian "slaves" were in fact paid and allowed to marry and have families.

pieratthe · October 2017

i think u misunderstood as usual. Slaves to the establishment means You do as told and don't question it.

OgieOgilthorpe · October 2017

Curious that rat would get banned for "standing up to a tyrant" when many, including myself, never did - even after calling Coolwind/SC an @ssbite to his face (in a "say") in front of dozens of players.

WesDoobner · October 2017

I never new anything about the problems with Coolwind, or ever spent any time complaining about OGP, or anything. I spent all my time playing, so even though I was on the game for a couple of years I have no idea about what all this infighting was about.

CrzyPsycoChick · October 2017

(none of this is directed at anyone in particular )

Pie its just best to end this conversation/debate as a draw because to put it simply as I've now learned playing this game.

The Game community doesn't like or stick up for people who speak their mind, or speak up when things aren't right. It's an unfortunate truth of this community any form of disagreement, questioning, or taking Initiative or action is immediately looked as drama or attention seeking. It's F‘ed up really and sad you can love ❤ the community and do your best to make a difference but unless you're passive aggressive and quiet good little boys and girls you will always be looked at in a negative light no matter what it is what it is.

They will b*tch and complain about you speaking up but will enjoy and reap the benefits when you're speaking up actually accomplishes anything ie. reversing GM Cuckwinds Bs bans, pushibg for guides, speaking up about the imbalance of the server, pushing for change or fixes etc.

Pie don't expect thank you or gratitude or support just keep fighting and speaking against whats wrong and keep pushing forward and just block everyone who feels staying quiet and suffering is better than speaking up and fighting back for change .

Always remember the people in the game world act VERY different in the real world.

OgieOgilthorpe · October 2017

Reviewing the posts, I'm willing to give rat the so-called benefit of the doubt. If he was banned for trying to call down Coolwind/SC, then I honor and respect him for that regardless of anything else he may say or do that I may disagree with or dislike. Any player who felt that way about C/SC is OK by me. Not quite willing to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", but I will agree to a truce with rat and pledge that I will not be the one to break it if he feels the same. What do you say, rat?

pieratthe · October 2017

@Ogie I did it on the forums not in a public chat. That is why he banned me :D What really got him mad was after the statement that KEOI forced those changes on gama, i showed him that if that was true why would they force those changes on just us? See some server had piracy removed, some had deck removed, we had both removed, and some still had piracy and deck.

@Cpc, lol i'm not looking for peeps to be proud of me, don't want thank you's, i just want peeps to give it a chance. What kinda person helps others just to be acknowledge'd for doing it? It's rewarding enuff for me to know what the next however long, others will get to experience the UWO i grew to love, instead of that shell it had become.

@Traders, now when u return to europe with that load on nanban and make those ducats u'll actually feel like u accomplished something, rather that just another "farm"

@Pirates, Keep in mind pirates, that not everyone will tolerate everything being taken from them. Even if we are allowed to farm people, we shouldn't do it to everyone we see. Yes some people i wont' call names it will be the highlight of my day to farm them into nothing, but the majority of the people we want to stay, so don't be a complete arse about it.

@Hunters, Don't be like the hunters of OGP. Don't sit in town and talk smack and beg them to meet u outside seville. Go out there, ask the traders were pirates are. Use those reward posters give them to traders who've been hit and ask them to use them to track the pirate for you. And SAIL!!!! Hopefully bounties will be restored so u can get paid killing pirates.

@Adventurer's, please be smart about it, if u have a piece of you that u just can't possibly play w/o do not sail in hostile waters while wearing it if not needed.

@UWO, once relaunch, if u have questions about something u can pm me. Just don't be pm'ing me with every single question u have. There are tons of wiki's and guides out there, learn to use them. People quickly get mad (since we want to help) when they are stopping their grind every 5 minutes to respond to questions that the answers are easily found on ivyro/uwo.wiki. or otherplaces.

@Resellers, Just know the new UWO won't work as easy reselling as before. The richs aren't establish'd, and by snatching up most of 1 item cause peeps are letting them go cheaply "to build the world" u are doing nothing but hurting the game. It was tolerated before doubt it'll be tolerated much at first.

@White names, piracy is apart of the game, always has been, and always will be. So if u happened to get plunder'd, just take a deep breath, learn from what happened and work towards being more prepared the next time it happens. Best defense is a good offenese :D

aceman39 · October 2017

As for the last point you wrote. The best way to protect yourself is to change routes that way they don't get used to a pattern that you take. I always change it so I am not setting a pattern either doing nanban or going to Calcutta for grinding sewing

clemsonfan · October 2017

Pie i am going to agree with you on alot of points you made. you seem to think though that i don't want piracy to return but that is not true.

as i have stated in other threads, my main 2 concerns are farming of white names as it was done in nm - gpotato era and pillage order abuse . those 2 things could potentially be very damaging to the server especially to new players who don;t have the history here like we do.

personally i don't like the idea of anyone being farmed but as i was told before if you choose that life you have to face the music at some point... I am just too noobish to even want to do it

unless it was sylphid or that chick in black sea that farmed me. BTW i do owe you a thanks for that rescue that day.

PIE the truth is you and i need to squash this and work together for the server benefit. your knowledge +mine could be a great benefit to everyone.

so i offer my apologies for flaming you and making accusations. and offer a truce from this point

pieratthe · October 2017

I'm not mad at all clem :D Nothing could bring me down, except failure to launch UWO at all. I'm cool with going back and working with you as we done many times in the past as OA members, but that's after i plunder u once or twice :D

Yes i know i'm a troll, and love messing with peeps, and i know u didn't hate me, you just hated the things i wanted in the game, but all those times you got mad at me, u have to see now i was correct. I do agree with you on farming, and pillage orders. Cause i know if it returns, i'll have to use those mechanics as best as i can. But that's just who i am, when i do something i don't wanna just do it, i want to attempt to be the best at it as possible, unfortunate for most that's being a PieRat. But i'm also very loyal, which is why even thou we didn't see eye to eye on lots of stuff, that day you were getting farmed while trying to grind, i came and farmed them for u. That's just me. No u didn't really support me, but you did support the company i was in, and therefore i had to come support u. One statement u did make i would like an apology on. The comment about me taking advantage of Myklas, u know that was untrue, and if there is something u want me to apologize for lemme know.

clemsonfan · October 2017

yeah pie i am sorry for the myklas comment. i felt like we all took advantage of his generosity at times but i know it was just him being myklas . we all benefitted from having him around .

the one area i am still upset about is the multibox accusations. for all these years tigers and i have mainly been side by side here. i do have access to his account and have used it when someone needed an r20 sb somewhere and he was busy. we have been accussed multiple times and been verified everytime.

i know how it looks but i dont really care what other people see or think. now that he doesn't live with us its is few and far between the time that we have that is just for us. and i won't apologize for the way it appears to those who don't know us

pieratthe · October 2017

lol yea i know he doesn't live with u (anymore) but i could just as well have my wife or one of my kids do the same thing. (they won't play thou lol) i wish they enjoyed same games as i do, but i can't play on those phones all day like they do :D

crazyhunter2003 · October 2017

pkone games,pft.I prefer a big enough screen to actually see what I'm playing

Hawthorne · October 2017

I don't think Tecmo Koei will negotiate with a bunch of disgruntled players to keep their game afloat. If Papaya or some other company can't keep the game up and the royalties flowing in, then it would make more sense for them to shut it down altogether. That's not really a cheery outlook but sadly it's a realistic one.

I hope UWO is around for many years to come. And I hope this wipe business never happens again. But at this point, it's more realistic to start doing packet captures and have some competent programmers try their hand at writing a private server backend.

uwoalias18 · October 2017

Lmao.. What a thread.... This is a GAME!!

Rothmeare · October 2017

If it comes down to this I would be willing to assist as best I can. Financially unstable at the moment, but expect things will improve.
That being said we are definitely months, maybe even years from it coming to this. We'll have to see how things progress on the new server.
This would definitely be possible if enough players were involved and everything was managed correctly. It would definitely have to be a major decision with community wide involvement.

HanukkahHarry · October 2017

I say we just let the game die off and be done with it.....

oldrobcat · October 2017

To make it affordable, you'd have to have development freeze so as not to pay dev salaries. For UWO, it's so huge already that you don't need expansion of the game for anyone but the real top players who've done it all already. They'll have to put up with the dev cap. You wouldn't get a KOEI contract until Papaya gave up anyway, but renting space in a server farm isn't hard. Tax? Find a non-US country. You'll really need a proper company structure, again not hard. I have 3 limited co's already I run in UK. One is a non-shareholder members type, which would be best for a cooperative venture. In UK we call these "company limited by guarantee". All members have equal rights and interests.

Koei might go for an english spin-off, freezing the game some way behind the Japanese version, so they could continue their own dev and licensing without conflict. The "legacy" version we could then correct all the language errors!

Minimal staff, no permanent help-line, no tickets, no improvements or tweaking the game code. Might not be too expensive.

But no-one is going to trust the members unless you start with a subscription only game for all die-hards, so levels over 50 perhaps? Commit monthly for at least two years and other people will believe it's got legs. No subscribers will make everyone think we're all fantasists.

Roiber · October 2017

I would rather set the money aside and wait for a new publisher instead of rewarding one for screwing us over so bad and outright lying to us.

DoormanKarel · October 2017

@lefox271 I do not think this is the dutch company you are referring to.. Papaya is owned by a Korean company http://www.vertigogames.com and not http://vertigo-games.com/

TheRealFaffnir · October 2017

i need to point out clem that Pillage orders were in the game for about 4 or so years before their purpose was removed, and over that time they didn't cause much more then a few armors or weapons or ship parts going missing for a targets ship and pillage orders could only be used during melee they take up 1 action during melee combat, so instead of assault or guard ur using a item.

makasouleater69 · October 2017

You guys fall for this every time haha. How many times has this game been sold? I mean come on now, you don't think a hugely pay 2 win asian grinder, with another chinese company is all of sudden gonna do better do ya?

OmegaKaiseRoland · October 2017

@pieratthe & @Pirates you'll also be deserved to be sunk by bounty hunters & white names as well,so better get your lifesavers ready as being sunk by those I mentioned above (BHs & white names) :)

Plea to fellow UWO players

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