People against Alts or multiboxes as they call it...................

lefox271 · November 2017

And I'm gonna add this to what I said above @Crimsonbunny

If you are saying the profits these 'multiboxers' are making is in some way illicit, then again you've got to look at the role of the Sb'ers selling the ships.

Because if this was the real world they'd be the money-launderers - the ones who turn 'dirty' money into respectable profits. And the laws on both sides of the Atlantic treat that as a more serious crime!

Look - I'm not saying 'multiboxers' who spam trade routes isn't a problem for you - it clearly is.

All I'm saying is you take a very narrow view of the situation when you ask for Alts to be banned.

That's why you get such a negative reaction to your posts. Because you're claiming your right to buy a ship for less than 60bil is better than my right to play two characters at the same time.

No SB'ers were harmed in the writing of this post. Respect to you guys.

theedgedemon · November 2017

@Crimsonbunny if someone spends 1000$ in lottery tickets to get that shiny pokemon... ship i meant ship, that you happen to want for yourself you have 2 options :

1) you can pay the man whatever the hell he wants for his stuff.

or

2) spend YOUR OWN 1000$.

i am sure we all would love it if you spent your money in the game which may allow the company to keep running.

I myself never considered a IATS to be a ship worth 80b but then again i never wanted one, and perhaps that is the reason it never bothered me, as statistics show a distinct relation between unwillingness to invest and the impulse to put price tags you yourself feel confortable paying to the investment of others.

THawk420 · November 2017

ya all seem to miss the fack that unless there are people ingame with 60b then nothing is going to sell that high. News flash product dont sell if no one has the cash for it. more toons under one players control gives that player more item pick ups more cargo space more skills more votes more investing power and the list goes on. multiboxing is no more a legitimate "play style" than pyramid schemes are a legitimate business structure. yet to see the for argument amount to anything more than "but but we neeeed alts its tooo hard to work in with others"

aceman39 · November 2017

And once again. No one say you have to use alts but people do and they are right you need more skills them one toon can use or hold and there is so much to do in game and a lot of people use them as storage alts but yet you people still say they are cheating and if people sell something for 60 B and someone doesn't buy it then that is the sellers problem not yours

theedgedemon · November 2017

@THawk420

i think you are barking at the wrong tree, if the company who hosts the game and pays their money to allow us to play (and then try to take our money) says its legitimate, then IT IS, in face of the decision of the house owner there's no meaning for how you feel it should be, trying to get other people to stop doing something the host allows them to do its wasted time, and holding shouting contests won't help advance the point.

if you have problems with someone i suggest you follow @CPC guide on how to tell people GTAB or whatever she calls it.

if you have problem with how the company manages its property you can fill a ticket, that said i wouldn't suggest you use the same tone or insistence you use here with them they are likely less patient.

ZodRau · November 2017

mondobogus · November 2017

If they don't like alts, they don't have to play one. They have the opportunity to do so just like us who choose to play more than one.

People complain too much. Either get over it and play the game, or go play another game. Then return because you realize the game is still awesome if you ignore how others play. It doesn't have any effect on you.

THawk420 · November 2017

totally barking up the wrong tree seems more a birth control problem then anything

aceman39 · November 2017

See here goes THawk again. Always has to answer every other post with more negative attacks cause this person hates if no one agrees with his point of view

THawk420 · November 2017

just fuk off Ace get my name out of your dip shit mouth it your level of stupidity i hate not people disagreeing with me. just fuk off ya git

aceman39 · November 2017

But yet you can run peoples name off your lips. So why not fuk off yourself. You think insulting people make you feel better then go ahead. Just shows off how stupid you are

makaramus · November 2017

what must be done is not making it forbidden but using alts are obsolate... I mean if using alt to benefit your main works it means that game is designed with flaw...

Culvern · November 2017

It is not a flaw. It is designed to make each person chose a path rather than have it all and be super easy.
That way we need to work together to accomplish thing we want done. Like SBing for example, not everyone is a r20. You find a friend that is and he helps you. Hope you can help him with something someday to repay.
Those that want it all, well how about we just give you a toon with every skill and maxed everything (skills, money, ships, investments , discoveries)
And you can have it on another server with all the other toons just like yours. Sound like a fun game?

Lerxst · November 2017

@Culvern That's essentially one of the main reasons I haven't logged in to the the game for a couple days and probably won't be around much anymore. In the process of grinding my production skills, I saw naked, no-level "alts" doing the same process I was.

I can't do r20 SB if I want to be viable in other areas, so I resigned myself to not being a Ship Builder this go around. I can still be decent at maritime and work on casting, but then I look around at these naked toons all grinding casting as well and realize nobody needs me to do their casting work for them; I'll essentially be grinding just to provide myself with the equipment.

I can be a cook... but everyone and their brother is a cook. Well, at least everyone's alt is a cook, so no need for me there either.

Here I am, going through the trouble of trying to plan out and balance my character, while others just spam any and every skill they want on their different toons, while focusing 100% on Trading or Maritime on their main.

There's no incentive for me to actually try anymore. Everyone can make the exact same things I'm making, and then some. If they haven't already, then a few months from now, they will. Meanwhile, I'll be a crippled character that got shot in the foot trying to play the game the way it was designed.

I could create 2 other toons and go that same route, but then, why bother playing at that point? I'll be the same, generic cookie-cutter as everyone else, just having my skills jumbled in a slightly different order among my 3 characters.

CrzyPsycoChick · November 2017

That's absolute complete and utter nonsense and I rarely ever say that...and this is why I think people simply dont understand the uwo economy or how the game works no offense

It's NEVER ever about what skills you have because I'll let you in on a little secret even before the wipe I estimate 90% of the population of uwo had production alts but if that's true...then how did tens of thousands of things get sold every single day? I'll tell you

Every good needs ingredients and those ingredients either cost money or more importantly TIME to either collect the necessary materials or travel to necessary places to craft them. Due to this not every item that is needed is always around and available to you so demand and supply fluctuates constantly. Lets take your craft cooking for example find poupelin trees, seafood grill, tuna olive steak, fish nuts and ALL 6 aide foods in high quantity and at affordable prices for sale good luck I couldn't find ANY and when I did seafood grill was 300k aide food 75-200k and fish nuts 25k tuna steak 100k I kid you not pop tree haven't even found 1 YET.

Now I'm not complaining about the prices as I said the supply is low and people simply didn't feel like making them or maybe too busy doing other stuff like leveling up instead of making them. I say that to say this with prices like THAT you telling you can't simply sell for slightly cheaper and compete in that market???

Thing is yea there is competition ofc but there is almost ALWAYS a way to compete with either lower prices or making hard to get goods available with ease. That applies to ALL crafts including SBing before the wipe you constantly would see WTH R20 sber paying 150mil for 1 hour not kidding can show you screenshots of this. So in a world where all the R20 sbers are wiped and their demand is way higher now and the supply is way lower that your sber can't compete this is bullshizzz and you know it im sorry to say.

I feel like you lost a lot like we all did and you want to quit but you're looking for any excuse to do so without looking like you're giving up and its you're own doing. I say that because this last reason about everyone else has a crafter is the most absurd reason yet. Listen if you want to quit due to not wanting to go through all this crap again its fine we totally understand uwo is a long game we get it and wouldnt blame you but you trying to paint the picture its because of everyone and every thing except you simply not wanting to continue is NOT WORKING. I want you to keep playing but if its not for you anymore just say so but this blame game is pointless and wastes time just my opinion especially if nobody is buying it.

Ps.

Btw my stack of 999x garlic chicken just sold 20k a piece remember everyone has cooking according to you...let that sink in

aceman39 · November 2017

He is negative on every forum he post on/ Boo Hoo Let me cry about things to see if I can make it look bad and drive away new players to ruin the game and get it to sink. Like you said and it was said in another post and I said it. If he is not happy then quit or keep playing the game for him and not worry about how others are playing shesh

Katanauwo · November 2017

The alt problem is like illicit. It is addictive, but will cost this game a lot.

Usually gold sellers would advocate alt is good for the game. The end result is publisher becoming greedy and then the game is brought to its knee.

At the end of the gama server, it was all about ducat farming because dhips were around 30b+ each.

We are repeating this history once again. It will take time for the history to be replayed, so you guys go ahead pretending there is no problem.

In 12 months time, there will be another server reset or even game closure, while your so called “hard work” is nothing but transient fantasy.

If you actually spent more than a single dollar on it, you are a fool.

But i get it that lots of people prefer to live in denial and refuse to realise the publisher is rather not trustworthy, just like those who believed ogp would never abandoned us a week before the announcement of closure.

aceman39 · November 2017

And yet you still hang around on the forums. Do you even play UWO or this is your way to stay relevant by pushing the blame on people using alts and not on your self for keep coming on here and being negative all the time

binkl1965 · November 2017

I use alts from time to time, but never to "cheat" the game... I won't use 3 accounts just to sail from EA to EU just to bring spices or something to screw over others. I use 1 account to play the game and no more then 2 accounts for storage.... But I agree with the people complaining about alt abuse....

Yesterday I happened to be in London and saw this player setting up his shops. He had 5 aides, all with the exact same name, all with the exact same shops (name and goods) and the same outfits on. He was selling spices like Nutmeg and Mace for 20x the price that players could get from the market keeper.

Now I do not agree with taking advantages over others. You will never find anything I sell over expensive. People who charge more than 2 times what they put into the items are not worth playing with.

BUT... people who use more then 3 accounts at the same time, to play the game should have ALL their accounts banned from the game!.... If someone has clearly more than 3 accounts playing at the same time, they should be kicked off no matter if they spend real money to play or not... They are breaking the rules of the game and deserve to be banned.

CrzyPsycoChick · November 2017

Spice went from 200k each when extremely rare then when I saw the Market keeper littered with spice sellers the price has dropped to 50k two weeks later just as I said over and over again supply and demand With our free market competition system makes prices drop. I Told you! Lol

The alts flooding the market with spice that you guys are whining about literally are the sole reason why the prices are so low. The more spice they bring the better the price will be for you because they have to compete with others too.

But check this out the people doing multi fleets are actually making it harder for themselves because the more spice they flood with the lower they have to charge for it XD. The less supply the higher price and vice versa.

To the people whining about alts trust me if they ban alts making it much HARDER to get things in game Trust me prices will SKYROCKET. Whether you want to admit it the alts are helping lower prices and if this untrue then explain the rapid price drop of spice from 200k to 50k now and no player greed isn't an acceptable answer as all those bazaars of players all at once didnt have a miraculous change of heart and said hey lets all charge cheaper just for the hell of it.

Explain the rapid price drop of spice...im waiting

pekkauwer · November 2017

so you agree everything rare wont be so rare anymore? i "like" that idea

let the stupid papaya gm later introduce invincible excalibur which have 2k attack and +3 sp, +3 tactics +4 sm

riiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttt

Culvern · November 2017

It's not the price of spice that we are concerned with. It's that fact that the alt scammers now have 100b to run the prices up on ships and items. Where the use of alt as storage or skilled alts does not hurt the economy the 5 alt fleets doing nanban GENERATES ducats that does have an affect on the economy. Try buying a 80b ducts ship if you only use one toon.......
I personally have never had an alt. I have used a second toon on my one account to store items.
So it is impossible for me to buy anything priced over the 22b max for me.
I have been able to play the game with only one toon (I know it's impossile, but I managed!)
I have done all my own shipbuilding. All my own fusion all the way to G6 on my last 5 ships without the use of alts. I only had casting and cooking production skills so I would buy from others (all of you) anything else I needed. Or I would have a friend help me out. So the argument that alts are NEEDED is blown away by me I guess.
I challenge any of you to play the game as it was designed and intended, with one toon.

THawk420 · November 2017

can we clear up these terms people

ALT: an alternative character to you main

Multiboxing: playing any said alt along side your main character

Culvern · November 2017

Good point THawk.
The alt is not an issue the multiboxer is.

CrzyPsycoChick · November 2017

Ok im just going to throw some facts out there and you take it how you want...

Fact #1: Papaya allows 3 toons on at once from 1 IP. What you decide to do with them is 100% totally entirely up to you if you want a skill alt, a sber , storage alts orrrrr two additional toons to haul nanban that's ALL up to you. If you decide not to use your alt for additional hauling cool more power to you but Never forget you have access to them and you CHOSE not to use them in that way but EVERYONE can. All I can say is choose wisely.

Fact #2: multiboxers don't raise the price of the good the supply and demand does. The 100 bil ships you guys are talking about aren't 100bil because oh you sold more nanban than me nooooo its because the bottle drop rate is LOW making it unavailable to most with high demand. If the bottle dropped said ship more guess what happens to the price of the 100bil ship? It goes down case in point AFCV was 20bil when it first dropped as more dropped and BETTER ships came out this decreased demand and increased supply it dropped to 8bil that's a 60% reduction! That's a bottle issue not a player issue.

Fact#3: less money in character does NOT I repeat DO NOT lower the price...sort of lol. I'll explain lets take the 100bil ships lets say all ducats in game were deleted and spice nanban and dungeons goods all were programmed to sell for only 1 ducats each to Market keeper. That means everyone in game has considerably less money all prices plummet and that 100bil ship now goes down to say 2bil wooohooo...just one problem the ship is still the same price it was. I bet you're like how well just because the the price went down because you can't make as much money the value of your money is much less therefore its still the same price. If the ship is still a rare bottle drop and demand still there you're in the same predicament as its the same value.

Nanban selling at 1 ducats each and a IATS selling at 2bil

Is the exact same as

Nanban selling at 50k each and IATS selling at 100bil

Fact#4 There is NO cap of money in this game. Despite popular belief most people don't have 100bil of pure on hand cash primarily because one its hard to acquire and 2 it opens you up for scams on multibillion-dollar ship trades as money must be given in parts. So what people did and STILL do is convert their cash to ships/items for easy transfer. That's what I had to do auctions and I had ALOT of on hand cash I had to buy ships just to fit it all. If something is worth 100bil and we can only hold 22.2 bil what people Davis just add on ships for value. Example: Heres 20bil a LLM CS G6 and MLA for the 100bil IATS. See the price didn't drop simply the form of payment changed that's all. People buy a lot of ships simply to use as Super high cash trades so there will never ever ever be a theoretical cap on the value of a ship unless its supply increases from bottle.

Fact#5: having only 1 toon won't help. Same reason as #3 if I choose to nanban or resell all day in seville I will have considerably more money than you its all about what you choose to do with your time. If I nanban 24hrs a day and u adv guess who can still purchase the ship and who can't? TIME is the ultimate resource in this game. The number of tons means nothing its what you do with them.

CPC's Final thought: no character in this game has an advantage over you in this game unless YOU give them an advantage by choosing to not use your alts for nanban fleets. Even then they still dont have an advantage as you use your alts for other things they aren't so basically you both better in some areas than the other. Lastly it seems your gripes are misplaced at players when it should be placed at bottle rarity if bottle drop more you can buy easier.

Only exception is 4-5 multibox as that's against TOS and even then same thing if bottle drops are rare prices remain high.

THawk420 · November 2017

ok thats bloody long winded n just self justification for the most part. there is one fact you all leave out of the argument.... to run a second character you need to pose as an other user n create a second account, dose anyone really think more than 1 email account should be needed for a game really????

CPC our just out right wrong in thinking 1 person running more than 1 character at a time dose not give them more opportunities than someone that is not willing to keep track of 3 email & game accounts. call your garbage what you like but facts the are not. Just cause that crap works for trump dont mean its going to work for you like "no cap on money" come on 1st. money held on character is in fact caped 2nd. money in bank is caped 3ed. money in storage is caped..... the list goes on. UWO is bigger than your little bubble you keep yourself hidden away in down in stinkville

THawk420 · November 2017

Anyone remember the outcry at pirate spy alts? now its "use your alt how you like" its not a fukin alternative character if it is always right there is it. go learn words already

THawk420 · November 2017

shipping company A has 3 boats n shipping company B has 1 n your saying company B can compete with company A then your a complete space cadet a probably lucky to make it past the first grade hows that grab ya for a fact??

CrzyPsycoChick · November 2017

Just going to debunk that false truth

I don't have a problem with spotter alts and I stated this here on October 18 my issue was login screen piracy loophole as there is no way to see or avoid or chase them.

Source: http://forum.papayaplay.com/index.php?p=/discussion/359828/papaya-will-you-fix-these-pirate-loop-holes-now-that-plunder-will-return#latest

CPC: . Spotter alts: I don't have an issue with spotter alts you do what you want to do with your alts but only if they fix login screen piracy as stated in # 1.

Your point about money caps I can tell you didn't read what I said yes the bank is capped but money is TURNED into ships and items to exceed "caps" hence why people paid big prices for ships ie 22.2bil and more with ships along side cash. That's how its always been as long as this exists there is no cap to wealth and more importantly prices due to this like it or not. For your theory to be true NO SHIP EVER must have exceeded 22.2 bil in price since we both know that's false your theory is debunked.

Your point on accounts look you can hate it all you want but in regards to Papaya official rules it isn't illegal to have up to 3 alts or more like it or not what you do with them is up to you. UNTIL Papaya outlaws it then you cant complain about others doing it and having an advantage over you because you CHOOSE not to. That's tough that's your own fault and yours alone. Only exception is 4-5 as its explicitly outlawed by Papaya but 1-3 is not bottom line do it or don't but dont complain if the provider authorized you to and you didn't...

Lastly in regards to my bubble I live in hey that's the pot calling the kettle black I live in my world and you only live in yours...maybe if you did business in Seville regularly and stop complaining about what others are doing you would understand its the bottle drop rate not the multi.

Always remember even though you hate "stinkville" as you call it every group has something you can learn from them I don't see my fellow Sevillians here crying about people alts or prices you should really think about WHY that is. We functioning just fine and not complaining ...Why aren't you?

"Sevillians don't complain...we profit"

My response previously although long winded was very informative and breaks down the issue you can choose to read or ignore it up to you but those were some gems from someone who is in Seville not an outsider who else better to explain it. In the end do you boo its your game lol

THawk420 · November 2017

you babble on so long ya got to expect people to gloss over your posts that aside didn't needa read it all to start picking holes. never said you yourself had a problem with spotter alts but there ya go off on ya little selfimportant spat

People against Alts or multiboxes as they call it...................

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