50 keys and nothing

uwcJaime · January 2019

Papaya, I know, you always can say me:

- total disluck.

- it's a gample.

But 50 keys and just crap? Nah. I'm done with this game.

carlalex · January 2019

What did you expect ? You buy 50 lottery tickets and think you are entitled to the grand price ?

If you have 1% chance of getting what you want from one chest, you still only have 40% chance of getting what you want at least once in 50 chests.

Just say no to lootboxes - especially with secret odds.

carlalex · January 2019

And at 1% win chance you need to open 70 chests to get a better chance to win at least once than to not win at all.

purplepirate · January 2019

Or if you are looking for something specific, just buy it in game on merchant chat. To quit just because you didn't get what you want off a few tries is just silly and shows that you are not here for the enjoyment of the game.
Also what people call 'crap' is subjective. If (for example) all i was looking for was SLM, then every other ship, gear, ship part, sail etc would be considered crap (doesn't mean it really is crap). An if you think you should get the top rare ship off just a few tries then the problem is you are a foolish person with delusional views.
Posting your rant here and threatening to quit publicity is just you seeking attention buy throwing a childish temper tantrum. Sorry no baby bottles in this round of keys...

LyonesseJoseph · January 2019

Me either. I used 36 keys then didn't get any ships ,so I had to bought or traded for SASC and other ships. IMO, Treasure Cove is harder to win than Captain Ticket do. At least, TC has Legend Chest ,so it was reason why I was able to trade or buy for ships.

23jfr66 · January 2019

Ok, those who want to call us whiners...lets analyze the real money cost and to whom any real chance to win a top ship applies too. 10 cove keys $25, 50 cove keys , over $100. Now take a look at the ships some are not only sailing , but there alts and aides...all top ships, So, how much did they spend, and lets ask the question how much the spend per day.. Clearly the player base they are looking at are people that can afford to spend well over $100 dollars a day. My experience in online gaming is that the majority of players cannot afford to pay over $100 a day just to have a chance at receiving a great ship. WOW is $16 a month and you have access to the whole game. The in game cost of top ships in UWO is way into the Billions, way out of reach of the majority of players, leaving many with out ever experiencing the higher end of the game can deliver. If your blessed with an abundance of disposable money, good for you, we plebs would also like to experience top of the line ships.

eddier777 · January 2019

Most of us do indulge in boxes time to time but its a matter of pure luck.

You may derive more pleasure from the game if you see it from that perspective.

Nanban and Boston boxes will help to save up for ships too.

Culvern · January 2019

Believe it or not, everyone does not need the top ship. It's a pleasure to have one not a right.
If every single person had the same top ship, would the game be better? Perhaps the game should start us Ll out with maxed skills and forged top gear. That way no one can complain?

A few months ago the lottery here in the US hit 1 billion dollars. I bought $20 in tickets..... I DID NOT WIN! Total crap!! I deserved to win! I spent $20! So unfair. I quit.

lefox271 · January 2019

I agree with Culvern and PP.

If you think you can't play the game without a top ship then you probably haven't got the point of playing UWO.

Incidentally, I don't spend on tickets. I just don't like gambling. However ... Papaya has given me a handful of free tickets over the last 15 months - probably had about 6 tickets I guess. And I have won two ships. Okay not top ships, but one was a Susan Constant.

I have always been lucky lol.

purplepirate · January 2019

@23jfr66 "my experience in online gaming is that the majority of players can not afford to spend well over $100 dollars per day."

Your experience with online gaming must be small then because the majority on online gamers DON'T need to spend that much to enjoy their game. Like Culvern said, why do you have to have the best of the best anyways? It's not the ship that makes you a good player, it's the player him/herself. I don't have the top ship in the game and yet i will go 'toe to toe' with any of the top spenders in the game. In fact when i BH, I'm hunting down heavy class battleships only using a standard class ship most of the time!

Something else you need fo understand, lotteries are designed for people TO LOOSE not to win. If they were designed to be won then everyone on the planet would be a billionaire and money would have no value.

You people need to stop comparing this game to WoW. This isn't WoW, this is UWO, there is NO COMPARISON! Also most of the uwc ships are below the 5b mark so they are affordable by anyone. If you need to have that very best ship then yes you should be expected to pay alot.

You talk about not getting the full experience of the game unless you have the best, well I'm here to tell you that you are wrong. You don't need a SLS to be able to do namban. You don't need SWJ or SHC to go make discoveries. The only facet of this game that requires you to spend is if you are a HARDCORE pvp'er. Other than that, there's nothing in this game that requires you to spend at all. You just sound like one of those 'spoiled' players that want everything right away instead of working for it.

Culvern · January 2019

Typical millennial mentality.
"There is no second place, every participant comes in first place regardless of how well you do".
It really is a shame and hurts humankind's progress.

Ginny1 · January 2019

I played my first ESF on Sunday, made some really nice friends, didn't have great ships, Battle Sloop, Battle Carrack, and Big Trading Carrack, but I contributed to our fleet winning many battles, and I only died completely 4 times.

So whether I ever win anything of value from the Treasure Cove doesn't matter, I won friends, battles, and the excitement of an ESF. Then after the ESF, my new friends took me on a Ghost Ship and I "won" even more good things.

How much more would winning something from a chest be, by comparison? A moment of "oh good", and then its over.

Now winning a 1 billion dollar lottery, that dream is worth a couple of bucks, and next time the lottery gets that high again, I will spend a few dollars, but I don't expect to win.

However, I do enjoy the thought of winning, and how I would spend all that money. That escape from reality for a minute or two, is worth a couple of bucks.

Ginny1

purplepirate · January 2019

The biggest irony of this thread is that all the "crap" uwcJamie was complaining about and wanting to quit over probably would've gotten the exact item he was looking for if he had just traded/sold it in game lol.

sadarsa · January 2019

I'm hoping loot boxes are finally declared illegal. I think there are some countries in Europe that already have made them illegal.

seriously, instead of gambling the ships and other items should be listed with a price tag on them instead of this... insult. I refuse to throw money at them until i know what im buying.

Culvern · January 2019

@sadarsa That's the great thing about this system.You never have to spend any money on the loot boxes and you can still get any item they contain for ducuts you earn for free ingame!
What a great system! You can have the best shop and gear for free. Not sure how you can complain about that?

purplepirate · January 2019

@sadarsa instead of gambling the ships and other items should be listed with a price tag on them instead of this

I've actually proposed this a few times in numerous threads over Maris's time but i think that would work better on a subscription system. I actually don't mind doing the random thing for gear/parts/other items but i've always thought that they should have a ship shop to be able to buy ships from past tickets, sue you'd have to pay a little more (depending on the ship). Ships that would come out in tickets would be a 'first grab' at new ships that would be introduced to the game (like the superior versions). Of course they wouldn't appear in the shop until a couple months after the tickets so people would still buy to get that first grab on them. Now they have the new 'shop' section for special sales, hopefully they will offer some ships in it in the future.

The introduction of the cover system is much better for your money anyways since you can recycle and store items in it for later use or sale. When i spend on uwc it's usually just for the champion pack so i get my boosts,skill and storage tickets, i just sell the captain tickets. But when i do play the cove it's usually about 10-20 keys worth that i'll play and that's just mostly for trinkets (like the good sails). It's to expensive to play it for all the top end stuff so like Culvern said, i can just wait and buy specifics in game from other players.

uwcJaime · January 2019

@purplepirate

@Culvern

>childish temper tantrum

Loot boxes gambling sort of scam. Look at this(Belgium/Netherlands law). It's not just my opinion. Or tantrum. You can invent countless ways how you "smart" and how good and smart you are spending money on keys, or how you avoid it, but you can't change it. Treasure cove/boxes gambling is rude scamming, what exploiting human frailties. And of course it is very unpleasant for me that this game is amazed by this cancer. :P

carlalex · January 2019

Its gambling - unregulatred gambling. but a scam ? how ? In what way does Papaya mislead you to get you to buy their loot boxes? Have they lied to you about anything ?

purplepirate · January 2019

@uwcJamie Look at this(Belgium/Netherlands law). It's not just my opinion.

So you knew that there was a risk when gambling and that some countries around the world were against it and yet you went ahead and spent money anyways??? WOW you hypocrite! If you were against this kind of system then you wouldn't have bought any keys in the first place plus no body forced you to play it. I can't help but believe now how different your view would be if you (by luck) got exactly what you were looking for. You'd be all for this system and would be strutting around like a peacock showing off what you got in the cove but because you didn't that's why you threw a tantrum. Hypocrite!

Also Papaya is based in America not the Netherlands. America is the Capitalist center point of the world where the view is "survival of the richest". They are a company that is offering a free service with an optional choice to financially enhance your game experience. The only alternative to this would be to have a subscription based server where most stuff would be available in game but this server doesn't have the player base to support that. If we had thousands of users regularly logging in they sure, but this game is over 10 years old and has small user base now so subscriptions wouldn't be enough to keep the server running. Also many new players only play for a few months but this game needs a good 5 year minimum commitment to really get the FULL: game experience.

You can invent countless ways how you "smart" and how good and smart you
are spending money on keys, or how you avoid it, but you can't change
it.

Well what are we suppose to change? It's no different than going to the store and buying a national lottery ticket except that you get something for every key at least while a looser lottery ticket gets you nothing (in other words, every key/capt ticket is a winner!). You just have unrealistic ideas of what you should be getting because you are looking at it wrong. The only true way to guarantee you are going to get what you want is to spend heavily on it (some people will spend thousands of dollars at a time). But if you want a 'smart' way to play the cove then here's a way to do it...

Playing the Treasure Cove Smart (on a limited budget)

1) DO NOT play the cove for specific top end items, buy them in game on merchant chat

2) Only play cove when you see items that you need or that carry high in game sale value.

3) Play cove for the more commonly generated mid range items (gear, fs parts etc...) if you happen to get a top end item then that is a bonus but don't count on it.

4) Playing Cove is better for your dollar then buying captain tickets because of the recycle option.

5) When using keys focus all on 1 of the 5 chests rather than spreading your keys around (this has to do with the random generator for the chests)

Bottom line is that there is nothing in the cove that you need to play UWO. Important items you need like ssip's and the such are sold in the uwc shop. Many people play this game and enjoy it's FULL content without ever spending a single dollar on it, no one is forcing you to spend any money. If you want to quit, fine but quit for the right reasons and keep your rants to yourself. Everyone knows captain tickets and cove are gambles but people who truly love this game won't quit just because they didn't get what, they make due and adapt.

carlalex · January 2019

Actually US Authorities are active on the issue of lootboxes too. Several State Legislatures have been active and now the FTC is investigating it.

I have no issue with gambling in itself.

But lootboxes are UNREGULATED and MARKETED TO CHILDREN - that I have severe issues with.

And there are other ways to generate income from our playing UWO for free.

purplepirate · January 2019

@carlalex children can't get VISA cards, they have to use their parents. So that would be on the parents then if they allow their kids to buy.

carlalex · January 2019

@purplepirate And what makes you think you need a VISA card to buy UWC ? Papaya uses Xsollah as payment provider and THEY support lots of payment methods - MANY of which are available to children.

And if UWO isnt marketed to children, then why the ban on adult language in the game ?

Why are you so hell bent on defending that lootbox cancer ?

purplepirate · January 2019

@carlalex Why are you so hell bent on defending that lootbox cancer ?

I'm not defending them at all, i hate gambling. But it is the system that currently is in place and it's OPTIONAL to play. If you read my responses in most threads i encourage in game buying more than using tickets or cove, but in order for those items to be available in game then someone has to buy into the system.

OwvinII · January 2019

@carlalex who typed "Actually US Authorities are active on the issue of lootboxes too. Several State Legislatures have been active and now the FTC is investigating it."

Links that prove that point? I don't want hearsay. I want hard evidence. Provide the web links to those news articles that say such subjects that you quoted.

purplepirate · January 2019

@Owvinll apart from lack of links, carlalex implies that this game appeals to 'childeren'. I find this also is a false statement as most people that play this game are older (teenage to adult). The reason for this is that this game is a slower developmental game which doesn't have the appeal for young kids (the don't have the patience or appreciation for history). Also i dont know alot of children that have bank accounts with thousands of dollars at their disposal. Everyone I've met playing is older (teenage and up). Kids want fast action games with instant rewards not games based on historical events and people that they know nothing about.

Sorry carlalex but you are way off base on this topic. If we were talking about minecraft or something then sure.

Culvern · January 2019

I agree with everything purple has said. It's an option to buy the lot boxes. I would guess that 90% of players are 20+ years old.
In my opinion if you have an addiction issue (whether it be drugs, alcohol, porn, video games, gambling, or loot boxes) its not everyone else in the worlds fault. It's your fault. Be strong or be aware you are susceptible to you vice and avoid it. It's really on you. I know I will hear how horrible I am and how these people are victims and its not their fault. But at some point they made a choice. THEY made a choice.

viennas · January 2019

What can I tell you? Don't come here and dare to criticize something!!!! In this game are now the loudest some tiny fraction of once a very big community and gosh this fraction of (mostly) old players who are left,..well it's a shadow of what it was many years ago a very lively and diverse community. Now are the game forums occupied from some blind fan boys that will try to tear you apart if you will DARE TO CRITICIZE ANYTHING! Do not expect critical thinking here, there is a great drought by this and it will stay so, till some UWO 2 don't comes out and those people are simply overrated by a larger, far more reasonable folks as in this forum. I'm here like a black sheep, so most of them here have get already used from their point of view on my heretical statements, in which I can easily suggest you don't ever-never-ever buy here anykind of lottery tickets, you will waste whole treasure to get some item. Especially ships, don't buy here any tickets or whatever to get ships, rather buy it from a player and sell some cash shop stuff to get money (much cheaper, but still, far, far more expensive as in other top class online video games). Overall, don't ever bother here to have ''the best ship'' or think to play this game competitive, it's a hardcore pay 2 win game, where they add each 2-3 weeks a better version of previous ''best ship'' in tickets, it's hilarious but I guess some people are willing to spend a fortune to have for a week or two ''the best ship.''

rangerzfan · January 2019

P2Win what???? I still do not understand what anyone is trying to win in UWO??? Are you trying to beat certain high-level Maritime players in PvP or what? There is nothing to "win" in Adventuring or Trade. You either discover something or you don't. The trade rate is good or it isn't. Grind your Adv levels and work toward faster Shipyard built ships. The problem isn't the silly Cove or Tickets. It is the belief that they are necessary to play this game. I do not buy tickets or keys. Buy a few things from cash shop land sell them if you must spend monies.

purplepirate · January 2019

@viennas
Don't come here and dare to criticize something!!!! In this game are
now the loudest some tiny fraction of once a very big community and gosh
this fraction of (mostly) old players who are left,..well it's a shadow
of what it was many years ago a very lively and diverse community. Now
are the game forums occupied from some blind fan boys that will try to
tear you apart if you will DARE TO CRITICIZE ANYTHING!

we are critical against people who want ridiculous changes to the game like YOU who wants a whole part of the game (maritime) completely removed from the game!

Nobody wants a lottery system to get what they want, they would rather buy exactly what they need but right now this is how it is currently set up. Maybe in the future we will buy items directly but for now this is what we have and there's no reason to complain if you play and don't get exactly what you want. People should always buy in game if they can but like i said "someone has to play for those items to be put into the game". If you don't get what you want that's your risk for playing so don't complain, no one is forcing anyone to play the cove or captain tickets. There's nothing in them that you need to play this game, all the items will only 'enhance' your game.

Culvern · January 2019

Also this game is NOT pay to win. Not at all.
Paying cash gets you absolutely ZERO that you can't buy without paying anything.
Everything is available to anyone without using any cash. So it is NOT p2w.
Paying cash will get you what you want with less effort that's it.
So stop complaining that other pay to win. They are the ones supporting the game so you can play for free. Try thanking everyone for your free ride.

purplepirate · January 2019

@culvern They are the ones supporting the game so you can play for free.

I know eh? People like Piennas are just dicks with their attitudes.

50 keys and nothing

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